being able to spell = being intelligent

Dravokivich · 12-04-2010 01:14PM

1st wrote: »

A compulsive pedant, I correct others.

Any advances?

ibarelycare wrote: »

Learning is fun :pac:

Pherekydes · 12-04-2010 01:35PM

Dudess wrote: »

Being able to spell = intelligent? No.

For me, absolutely zero punctuation whatsoever...

Youdorealisethatthespaceistheoriginalpunctuationmarkofcourseyoudoyou'reintelligent.

Prof.Badass · 12-04-2010 01:42PM

It is a measure of some type of intelligence, but not an indicator of overall intelligence.

People have different strenghts and weaknesses. Personally, i never bothered learning my spellings in school but loved reading up on science and stuff (i was always an anti-authoritarian nerd :cool:). As a result i'm not as good in spelling as in other areas.

One thing thats probably true though is that people who consider themselves intelligent avoid using text-speak, so you might see a (negative) correlation between text speak and intelligence.

stovelid · 12-04-2010 01:54PM

Pointing out the spelling mistakes of others certainly appears to make some people feel more intelligent anyway.

Pittens · 12-04-2010 02:05PM

Pointing out a once off spelling mistake, as an argument against the poster, is bogus. We can all make typos. A typo is not a problem.

The lack of punctuation is a problem.

And, I think that the theres and the theirs, the wheres and the weres when continuously used incorrectly ( its as if they learned to use them incorrectly all the time) - that is symptomatic of not very intelligent. Along with added text speak, no capitalisation, and lack of punctuation, well I skip those posts.

I dont think that a "hte" proves anything except fast typing.

( Full disclosure - my spell checker ( it's built in to FireFox) - found two spelling mistakes in that paragraph before I corrected them. Big words though :-) I spelt symptomatic with an h, and something was wrong with punctuation too.)

Dravokivich · 12-04-2010 02:16PM

Pittens wrote: »

and something was wrong with punctuation too.)

Something is still wrong with the punctuation.

Hagar · 12-04-2010 02:17PM

Pittens wrote: »

Pointing out a once off spelling mistake, as an argument against the poster, is bogus. We can all make typos. A typo is not a problem.

Agreed. However, continued misspelling and poor grammar throughout a series of posts to me paints a picture of a bumbling buffoon mouthing the words as he types and lessens my regard for the poster's general intelligence. After all, how intelligent must one be to master the basics of the written word?

Apart from that, I quite enjoy harmlessly engaging other posters in word games as per my previous posts and intend no slight to the OP.

12-04-2010 02:19PM

Pointing out the spelling mistakes of others certainly appears to make some people feel more intelligent anyway.

I wish fewer people would make this assumption. It bothers me if people make such a mistake that indicates they don't know the correct spelling - so I tell them. I'd want to know if I was spelling something incorrectly too. No "haha I'm better than you" is intended in any way.

To answer the original question, no I don't think being able to spell = being intelligent.

melekalikimaka · 12-04-2010 02:21PM

not being a d1ck but i know people who claimed to have dyslexia... and in confidence told me it was to hide laziness.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article561912.ece

how does one get diagnosed?

Fighting Irish · 12-04-2010 02:23PM

I can spell pretty well, but on the internet i couldn't give a fook as long as i get my point across

TPD · 12-04-2010 02:29PM

PK2008 wrote: »

if yuo can raed tihs, you hvae a sgtrane mnid, too.

Can you raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can.
i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!

Good God, only 55 out of every 100 people? How weird that 55% are compared to the rest of us.

stovelid · 12-04-2010 02:36PM

bluewolf wrote: »

I wish fewer people would make this assumption. It bothers me if people make such a mistake that indicates they don't know the correct spelling - so I tell them.

If the only motive behind the correction is pedagogical - which I severely doubt, given the context and phrasing of nearly every such correction that I've ever witnessed - why not PM the user instead of correcting them on-thread?

Pittens · 12-04-2010 02:42PM

Something is still wrong with the punctuation.

No, there was nothing wrong with the punctuation in my ending parenthesis. Try read it again :-)

Pittens · 12-04-2010 02:44PM

Good God, only 55 out of every 100 people? How weird that 55% are compared to the rest of us.

Does that mean you can't read it? I can, but it is clearly not as easy to read as a correctly spelt paragraph.

Snowie · 12-04-2010 02:48PM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

not being a d1ck but i know people who claimed to have dyslexia... and in confidence told me it was to hide laziness.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article561912.ece

how does one get diagnosed?

wow you actually beleave what a scentist says, apprently global warmings happening to!

as for a dyslexia a test see my next post.

melekalikimaka · 12-04-2010 02:52PM

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

wow you actually beleave what a scentist says, apprently global warmings happening to!

as for a dyslexia a test see my next post.

i dont believe it, he agrees to an extent my theory on it. i was asking what is the way it is diagnosed? is there physical symptoms, or is all it based on trusting the person isnt making it up?

Hagar · 12-04-2010 02:54PM

Pittens wrote:

( Full disclosure - my spell checker ( it's built in to FireFox) - found two spelling mistakes in that paragraph before I corrected them. Big words though :-) I spelt symptomatic with an h, and something was wrong with punctuation too.)

I'm not so sure about that.

You omitted the word "the" before the word "punctuation".
There should be no space between the leading parenthesis and the following letter. There were two instances of that error. The hyphens should not be present, they should be commas, The parentheses around the subordinate clause "it's built into FireFox" should not be there either, they should also be commas. The second "F" in Firefox should not be a capital letter. I'm not even happy with the whole paragraph being within paraentheses.

Other than that I can find no fault.

OutlawPete · 12-04-2010 02:55PM

TheZohan wrote: »

I'm not dyslexic myself but sometimes when I use spellcheck it throws up different words entirely to what you're trying to spell. Can only imagine how tricky it is for someone with dyslexia.

I'm dyslexic and you are spot on.

Also, the Spell Check with Mozilla is junk.

I have got one letter wrong on many many words and it will not be able to give me the word I need.

I end up just Google'ing the word in frustration and they has never let me down, always finding the word were Spell Check couldn't.

Google has been a lifesaver for me, when it comes to spelling.

Hagar · 12-04-2010 02:57PM

Strangely enough the word dyslexic has no anagrams.

NothingMan · 12-04-2010 02:57PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Google has been a lifesaver for me, when it comes to spelling.

Whenever i'm unsure of a word I just start typing it into my google toolbar up there ^ and it uses it's google magic to give me the correct spelling. Don't even need to leave the page. I love you Google.

12-04-2010 03:00PM

Everyone's'

replies are very interesting. I take the point about about punctuation, however it is After Hours.

The reason i started the tread.

On the various forms on Boards you will get someone saying something like. I have a masters in civil engineering or whatever, then make the point they want to make. They might have one spelling mistake in what they have written, almost inevitable you will get someone replying " you have a masters in civil engineering and you cant spell egg"

I agree perception is important. For example if i went to a solicitors office and the brass name plate outside the office was tarnished and not polished it would put me off, because to me it says they are sloppy and don't care.

Dravokivich · 12-04-2010 03:03PM

Pittens wrote: »

And, I think that the theres and the theirs, the wheres and the weres when continuously used incorrectly ( its as if they learned to use them incorrectly all the time) - that is symptomatic of not very intelligent. Along with added text speak, no capitalisation, and lack of punctuation, well I skip those posts.

Pittens wrote: »

No, there was nothing wrong with the punctuation in my ending parenthesis. Try read it again :-)

1st wrote: »

Other than that I can find no fault.

There should be no comma before the word "and."

OutlawPete · 12-04-2010 03:09PM

stovelid wrote: »

If the only motive behind the correction is pedagogical - which I severely doubt, given the context and phrasing of nearly every such correction that I've ever witnessed - why not PM the user instead of correcting them on-thread?

Couldn't agree more.

Only the past few days on another part of Boards there was user berating a guy for not using punctuation and I said that very thing. If he was so concerned about the guy's writing skills, why not PM them.

Tar.Aldarion · 12-04-2010 03:12PM

It depends on how you learn it. If it is by rote, not so much. Being able to get a feel for a language and knowing how a word should be spelled upon first encountering it; that's a maybe.

Hagar · 12-04-2010 03:14PM

I didn't even attempt to correct that passage, I think I'm losing the will to live.

Hagar · 12-04-2010 03:15PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

If he was so concerned about the guy's writing skills, why not PM them.

Him, not them.

Sorry, i can't help myself.

Tar.Aldarion · 12-04-2010 03:16PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Everyone's' replies are very interesting. I take the point about about punctuation, however it is After Hours.

The reason i started the tread.

On the various forms on Boards you will get someone saying something like. I have a masters in civil engineering or whatever, then make the point they want to make. They might have one spelling mistake in what they have written, almost inevitable you will get someone replying " you have a masters in civil engineering and you cant spell egg"

I agree perception is important. For example if i went to a solicitors office and the brass name plate outside the office was tarnished and not polished it would put me off, because to me it says they are sloppy and don't care.

Spelling can be very important, especially in professions like the Gardaí. Indeedio.

Snowie · 12-04-2010 03:18PM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i dont believe it, he agrees to an extent my theory on it. i was asking what is the way it is diagnosed? is there physical symptoms, or is all it based on trusting the person isnt making it up?

this may be some reading

Ok cool il give you a bit of info of my educational psycological report... easyist way. They use various test well when i was 14 and im 28 now, so the tests have probably gottin better with time!

Back then they used the wechsler intelgence scale for children

They do a full scale IQ test, verble tests, then they do performande and visual tests which are kincda like puzzels or picture where they ask you questions on what the person was wearing was the girl wearing erings that kinda thing..

Then verble comprehension which I cant remember

perceptual organisation whear you have to sort things out in a spechil order, that kinda thing. like say you have 9 squares that make a square but each ones a different colour, aand you have ten seconds to look at a chart then do it the same way..

the there a freedom of distractability basicaly they ask you to do something then the person does things while your doing that to see if your getting distracted,,,

then you have processing speeds which is to do with simple clarical tasks which Im terrible at..

then they give you leteracy skills

then spelling age equivlent when i was 14.5 i had the spelling ability of a 9 year old.

reading comprehnsion test again i had the reading a bility of an 11 year old.. when i was 14..

Il put it to you this way the test costs 1000 euros its 20 pages long with lots of percentages and expected to fail kinda things its pretty demeaning to read....

If that answers ytour quest great if not sorry

Pittens · 12-04-2010 03:24PM

You omitted the word "the" before the word "punctuation".
There should be no space between the leading parenthesis and the following letter. There were two instances of that error. The hyphens should not be present, they should be commas, The parentheses around the subordinate clause "it's built into FireFox" should not be there either, they should also be commas. The second "F" in Firefox should not be a capital letter. I'm not even happy with the whole paragraph being within paraentheses.

Other than that I can find no fault.

.

I didn't miss the definitive article because I was saying that the word punctuation had been spelt incorrectly prior to using the spellchecker.

Hyphens can replace commas as parenthesis in most cases, Dickens does it all the time. I agree with the overuse of parenthesis though, the Firefox subclause could've gone within the hyphens. And the entire thing didn't need a parenthesis, but it had one. So there :-)

There should be no comma before the word "and."

End of a list. Although that one is a debated subject.

stovelid · 12-04-2010 03:27PM

It's one of the things that irks me most about Boards.

The ability to express yourself correctly - let alone well - is not an inherent talent (although I concede that some people are obviously better at it than others) but merely a by-product of education for most people on here. A by-product that most take for granted. Poking fun at people who are trying to express themselves despite their shortcomings seems cruel and petty to me. And that's before you consider people who may have dyslexia or may not be using English as a first language.

I've poked fun myself, but usually only to invoke Murphy's Law in retaliation to nit-picking posters or to trip up somebody who warrants it. To highlight an earnest or well-meaning post and ridicule it though, it just makes me feel for the targeted person and think a lot less of the person doing it.

People who deliberately post text-speak, excessive argot or otherwise hard-to decipher posts are possibly fair game though.

being able to spell = being intelligent

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