Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

The Muppet wrote: »

The Clubs Financial statement I read made no comment on the availability of future transfer funds to the manager.

The Muppet wrote: »

Thats pure conjecture and if you don't mind me saying a rather naive comment on your part . Some people have principles and wouldn't tell bare face lies for their employer, I know I wouldn't, would you?

Honestly what do you think the Glazers could do to Fergie if he were to say they were giving him no transfer funds provided he was was telling the truth. Rafa told lies like that and got away with it because the owners knew the trouble sacking him would cause them and Fergie is in a much stronger position that him. Seriously think about it and you will see the stupidity of your argument on this point.

Pro. F wrote: »

Well then you didn't read the statement I'm talking about. This has been argued over at length before. Evidence, with links to the finance statement, was posted as well. You failed to provide counter arguments or evidence.


Your argument is based on the conjecture that they wouldn't, or don't have good reason to, lie. However, it is simply an unknowable. I'm not saying that they are lying I'm saying we can't know, either way, with any degree of certainty. Why rely on it when the club have actually published a detailed financial statement?

Gone Drinking wrote: »

haha, i misread what you said and after watching the clip, thought to myself "wtf, he didn't puke up at all"

Pro. F wrote: »

Great stuff Mitch. Really interesting reading.

So three squad members to be loaned/sold before we bring in one new addition. Easily doable I suppose.

With Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Owen all to be retired in the next few years that would bring our home grown players down close to the minimum. And that's without players like Foster or Gibson being moved on. So presumably, we can expect promotions from the youth or homegrown transfers in, to be important over the next few years. So, moves for the likes of Rodwell and Milner are more likely than overseas players? Maybe that's reading too much into it all.

Pro. F wrote: »

No, no backtracking. As I said, they are compromised as a source of evidence (ie because of their position), so there is definitely room for debate on whether we should trust them or not. However, we simply can't know if they're telling the truth or lying. While anybody could argue for or against their reliability, it is fundamentally uncertain.

Pro F wrote:

Ferguson and Gill's claims are in contradiction of the club's own financial statements. Ferguson and Gill are employees of the Glazers and so, obviously, are going to be compromised as sources of evidence.

Pro. F wrote: »

I don't know if he's lying or not. I couldn't know and, equally, you couldn't know if he is or not. So, like I said last night, and have said all along (since even before the books were published), it is pointless using something as unknowable as this as evidence. Lets rely on the actual concrete evidence that the club has provided us with.

The Muppet wrote: »

In you opinion is the manager lying when he says he has money available for transfers, a simple yes or no answer will suffice .

To make it easier for you I don't know if he's telling lies or not for sure but it is my opinion that he's not for the reason's I stated in an earlier post.

Osu wrote: »

Yeah but they take the whole tapping-up thing to another level and most of their transfers involve super-tapping up. I know most clubs do it, but Madrid take it to another level.

Thursday April 8, 2010, became one of the most treasured days in the history of Mexican football.

Forget about Rafael Marquez, Andres Guardado, Hugo Sanchez, Luis Garcia and even the great 'Pirata' ('The Pirate') Luis de la Fuente . The transaction that took Javier 'Chicharito' Hernandez to Manchester United was the most expensive of all time, and the best part was the manner in which this transaction was accomplished.

First of all, an acknowledgement must be made to Chivas and to president Jorge Vergara for going against the traditional policies of Mexican clubs when they decided that a 21-year-old player is destined for success.

Secondly, and this is an irrefutable fact but nevertheless unusual in Mexican football: they have sold his rights in a decided, determined way, with no strings attached, no loans, no promoters, no favours, no help, without the infamous 'Let's see whether he works out for you and then we make the payments'. This type of negotiation is very simple to achieve in other latitudes, but it is terribly unusual to see in Mexico.

'Chicharito' has left at the right time. It is the right time to display his skills, to continue with his learning process, to listen to the wise advice of Sir Alex Ferguson , to immerse himself at Old Trafford, to hear the sound of glory coming from this venerable stadium.

Jorge Vergara seized the opportunity to sign a cooperation agreement with the famous and powerful English side. Chivas will no longer sell their players to an alternative market such as the Netherlands. They will sit at a position of honour at the negotiating table, alongside the biggest and most powerful teams in international football.

In the same announcement, Vergara indicated that the complete starting line-up of Manchester United will be on hand to inaugurate the new Chivas stadium, the Great Temple, towards the end of July.

A dream come true, a great business deal, the lucky strike that the red-and-white faithful had been waiting for for so long.

The events that took place on Thursday are more important than many may expect, and their importance extends to the rest of Mexican football, beyond Chivas or the player himself.

What comes after this will depend on his talent, his dedication, his professionalism and his enthusiasm, and Hernandez has plenty of all that.

But for a football community that dreams eternally of a brighter tomorrow, the sale of 'Chicharito' to Manchester United brings a new opportunity to expand its own hopes.

redout wrote: »

Did we sign some sort of co-operation deal ?

First I heard of it.

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