What is "low paid"?

NUIG FiannaFail wrote:

That's what we need to do to stay competitive. Workers need to know that if they won't do their jobs then there are plenty of desperate people who will do it for less.

So the answer to competitiveness is for companies to not pay their staff anything, have their staff paid for by the State instead. That's a great plan.

Gurgle wrote: »

So you qualified in the space of a few weeks through a fas course, and as soon as you got the license you phoned Ryanair and had the keys to an Airbus the following monday morning?

A truck driver will in more cases have more responsibility everytime he goes on the road. He is also directly accountable for errors he makes. Compare that to these so called lower paid clerical officers who need absolutely no training to enter the job and can make mistakes all day and they won't be punished for it

Caveat wrote: »

It was just an example. What you're saying isn't the point anyway.

Salespeople are on average paid more than the figure I mentioned, therefore it's a low wage for a salesperson. It's also a low wage for a traffic warden and you mightn't like them either.

Change roadsweeper to shop assistant if you like.

Why is it a low wage for a traffic warden, what skills do they need that means they should get paid more. Other than the fact they are public sector and just because of that should get higher paid.

You only need to be thick skinned or deaf, to me they are the two best skills too have for it

Gurgle wrote: »

So you qualified in the space of a few weeks through a fas course, and as soon as you got the license you phoned Ryanair and had the keys to an Airbus the following monday morning?

FR uses Boeing 738NG not busses:rolleyes:you can train to be a Airline pilot within two years,lads i can and will only comment on work that i have done i.e transport manager,flight ops, truck driver etc.

a company i work for has operations throughout the world just say the guys working in london doing the same job as guys in glasgow they get paid a london rate as london is more expensive to rent.i get paid more than a guy working in OZ as the cost of living here is more expensive.
I know of at least four companies operating in Ireland they pay their so called profesional drivers anything between 60-90e a day(and they could work upto 15hrs a day for that) also a truck costs about 100k& about 60/80k for a trailer whats wrong with geting a decent wage for a decent days work then you have the paperwork to fill out you might as well be a CO then you have the guys that carry dangerous goods you dont want to mix them up.:D

Gurgle wrote: »

Thats a pretty fluffy arguement

"More responsibility every time he goes on the road?"
Drive to >X<, don't crash.

"Accountable for errors"
As above.

Clerical officers who
> Need absolutely no training - really, where did you see that job advertised ?
> Can make mistakes all day and won't be punished - is this in the contract ?

-edit- I never claimed driving a truck wasn't hard work btw, this is why truck drivers make so much more money than junior clerical officers.

Why is Truck Driving one of the only professions in the country in which the Working Time Directive is being enforced and policed. This on top of Tachograph legislation and the need for all Truck drivers to get a CPC to keep their license.

They hardly want all this for fun, it's something to do with the job - EU Directive's and responsibility.

Truck drivers are also accountable - have you heard about the rules of the road, there's a hell of a lot more for trucks than for cars and it gets policed also

Check out the wages in the industry, you will be surprised.

Head The Wall wrote: »

Compare that to these so called lower paid clerical officers who need absolutely no training to enter the job and can make mistakes all day and they won't be punished for it

Qualifications - http://www.careerdirections.ie/CD/DBAllCareerFrame.jsp?id=4

A good second level education is expected and increasingly entrants to this career are graduates. Applicants are required to undergo qualifying tests designed to assess their abilities.

Check out the website for a job description - laughable really, pencil pushers

They also have no accountability for errors - 18 people didn't get their increments last year through the PMDS system and how many permenant staff get fired

changes wrote: »

The money paid to CO's isn't bad imo. Its good these days but wasn't considered brilliant 3 or 4 years ago.

It would be difficult for the government to cut it by 25% now, morale would drop, bitterness would ensue and public services would suffer as a result.

CO starts at €22,015 now 2010
CO started at €21,615 in 2006 when we were in the middle of the boom. So they are still getting paid more now even after the cuts.

Considering we are back to 2003 level tax receipts shouldn't the wages also go back to that level. €18,736 another 17% needed

changes wrote: »

I don't believe in benchmarking downwards. Don't give it if they think they may need to take it back.... irresponsible imo.

Good thinking, imagine if that was the case with everything we bought.

Imagine buying a house and agreeing that the interest rate can only ever go up.

changes wrote:

If they said when benchmarking we may need to benchmark your wages back down again in a few years people would have said cop on.... just give what you can afford and don't be arsing about with peoples livelihoods.

My arse they would have turned down money. They would have taken what they could get for as long as they could get it. They might not have taken out stupidly high mortgages and car loans on their benchmarked income though.

changes wrote: »

Completely different thing. You know when you take out a mortgage that rates may rise or fall. This is not the case with income.... income should be stable and predictable.

If they said when benchmarking we may need to benchmark your wages back down again in a few years people would have said cop on.... just give what you can afford and don't be arsing about with peoples livelihoods.

Maybe this is what you believe in the PS - You are wrong. Benchmarking is about equalisation be that up or down. It's not a upward only rent review

changes wrote: »

I don't think they should continually rise, pay freezes and paycuts are useful instruments and people can accept them in general if they are deemed to be fair. But an entire benchmarking exercise downwards is a no no in my opinion.

Like saying; OK so people in the private sector are now earning x because the arse has fallen out of the economy therefore we want to pay you the same is farcical.

A pay freeze may be some help if we were still collecting tax at 2007 levels but we're not so how would you resolve it.

The governments income is not stable so it in effect has had a pay cut. They are just benchmarking this onto you

ei.sdraob wrote: »

wait what?

its ok to have benchmarking on way up

but not on way down?

:rolleyes:

Not falling asleep is an issue (be it cars or trucks) which is partly why they regulate the hours. This is also an issue with cars where you can drive all day every day. they are currently testing tacho's that can be retrofitted to all commercially taxed vehicles, vans etc

The trend for PSV user, goods vehicle user and other road user fatalities
(miscellaneous types of motor vehicles) was sporadic.

From RSA Road Collision facts 2008




Not many jobs out there at the mo, This is all thats out there with salary mentioned. Arctic's would draw more of a premium also

20-25k

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