Ryanair ups baggage charges for holidays

KC61 · 07-04-2010 12:41PM

mickoneill30 wrote: »

This arguing doesn't really matter. If you're flying reasonably near it's easy enough to check all the airlines.

www.aerlingus.com
www.ryanair.com
www.airfrance.ie
www.aerarann.ie
www.flybmi.com
(anyone else?)

Ryanair are not always the cheapest but it only take about 10 minutes to put your times & destinations into all the sites above. I'm sure Ryanair are cheaper some times but every time I personally have needed to fly over the last couple of years (sometimes with a checked in bag) I've managed to get it cheaper for the times I was looking for with another airline. But that could just be me. Normally I need to fly near the end or the start of the day. I don't really like wasting half a day to save a few quid (unless it's a big difference but it never has been). This is just my personal experience so no need to get defensive anybody.

Other airlines that you left out that offer travel to a wide range of destinations around Europe from Dublin include:
www.swiss.com
www.flysas.ie
www.iberia.ie
www.lufthansa.ie
www.luxair.com

Also - 2 codeshare options:
www.klm.ie
www.ba.com

Finally to the UK there is also:
www.flybe.com

robinph · 07-04-2010 12:42PM

MYOB wrote: »

All of them that don't have an airline code beginning "F" and ending "R", I've found.

Its not a "crazy theory" - I check prices ever time I fly (which is lots) on the off-chance that Ryanair might actually be cheaper. The only time in the past 5 return trips that they've been cheaper, the convenience factor and the costs of getting to my final destination (flying to Amsterdam and getting a 15min, 4 euro train vs. Eindhoven and a 45min, 15 euro train) tipped me back over to Aer Lingus/KLM.

All depends on where you are going though. What is the cheapest way to get to Eindhoven?

KC61 · 07-04-2010 12:43PM

MYOB wrote: »

All of them that don't have an airline code beginning "F" and ending "R", I've found.

Its not a "crazy theory" - I check prices ever time I fly (which is lots) on the off-chance that Ryanair might actually be cheaper. The only time in the past 5 return trips that they've been cheaper, the convenience factor and the costs of getting to my final destination (flying to Amsterdam and getting a 15min, 4 euro train vs. Eindhoven and a 45min, 15 euro train) tipped me back over to Aer Lingus/KLM.

You do raise another point - travel costs to/from the overseas airport - often forgotten when booking flights!

L1011 · 07-04-2010 12:44PM

robinph wrote: »

Don't think I've ever seen three checkin desks for any Ryanair flight, even before there was any option of online checkin.

I misread the bye-laws, its two desks for a full 737-800 class aircraft:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2002/en/si/0323.html

Applies to Dublin, Cork and Shannon. So even if 100% of passengers are travelling with hand luggage only, FR would need 2 desks per flight.

cynder · 07-04-2010 12:44PM

robinph wrote: »

All depends on where you are going though. What is the cheapest way to get to Eindhoven?

Walk and swim!

mickoneill30 · 07-04-2010 12:46PM

robinph wrote: »

Dublin
Cork
etc

KC61 wrote: »

www.swiss.com
www.flysas.ie
www.iberia.ie
www.lufthansa.ie
www.luxair.com

Also - 2 codeshare options:
www.klm.ie
www.ba.com

Finally to the UK there is also:
www.flybe.com

Bleedin hell. There goes my 10 minutes of checking

KC61 · 07-04-2010 12:48PM

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Bleedin hell. There goes my 10 minutes of checking

Most of the other airlines can be checked on sites such as www.expedia.ie or www.lastminute.ie so it's usually fairly easy to do!

L1011 · 07-04-2010 12:50PM

robinph wrote: »

All depends on where you are going though. What is the cheapest way to get to Eindhoven?

Only Ryanair fly to Eindhoven off this island, although you could be lucky with a CityJet flight via LCY I seriously doubt it'd be cheaper.

It is, however, somewhere I never expect to want to go to unless I get a job for Philips!

KC61 wrote: »

Most of the other airlines can be checked on sites such as www.expedia.ie or www.lastminute.ie so it's usually fairly easy to do!

Often these show the flights as much, much dearer than via the airline themselves.

cson · 07-04-2010 12:58PM

MYOB wrote: »

All of them that don't have an airline code beginning "F" and ending "R", I've found.

Its not a "crazy theory" - I check prices ever time I fly (which is lots) on the off-chance that Ryanair might actually be cheaper. The only time in the past 5 return trips that they've been cheaper, the convenience factor and the costs of getting to my final destination (flying to Amsterdam and getting a 15min, 4 euro train vs. Eindhoven and a 45min, 15 euro train) tipped me back over to Aer Lingus/KLM.

I'm interested in finding out what your definition of 'proper airline' is?

L1011 · 07-04-2010 01:01PM

cson wrote: »

I'm interested in finding out what your definition of 'proper airline' is?

I've already answered that. Not Ryanair. Thats all my definition extends to.

robinph · 07-04-2010 01:08PM

MYOB wrote: »

Only Ryanair fly to Eindhoven off this island, although you could be lucky with a CityJet flight via LCY I seriously doubt it'd be cheaper.

It is, however, somewhere I never expect to want to go to unless I get a job for Philips!

There are a bunch of boardsies heading to Rotterdam this weekend, some are flying into Eindhoven with FR, some to Schiphol. I went for the second options myself with EI, but I don't think there was much of a difference between the two and how we then go about getting from whichever airport to Rotterdam, and I can't actually remember my reason for picking the EI option.

FR does give people more options than ever before on most destinations though and they have to be doing something right as people still use them more than any other airline.

AlekSmart · 07-04-2010 01:38PM

To be fair to Micheal O Leary he did a recent UK Newspaper interview where he reveald some gems of the O Leary mind...

By far the best IMO is his definition of the Ideal Ryanair Customer as ...

"Possessing a pulse and a credit card " .

Micko also revealed that Family holidays generally present him with problems due to his wife`s insistence on bringing multiple pairs of shoes and the likes whilst he likes to travel (Ultra) light ......It might just be that Micko practices what he preaches.

PS: On my last trip to Berlin (courtesy of FR) I bought a pair of shoes there to replace a clapped out pair I then dropped into a Berlin recycling bin....how`s that for an understanding of EU recycling policy ?

cson · 07-04-2010 01:55PM

MYOB wrote: »

I've already answered that. Not Ryanair. Thats all my definition extends to.

Thus we are to assume Flyglobespan, Sabena et al are were proper airlines? I do wonder if you've ever flown with easyjet because in my experience they're on a similar level to Ryanair, usually more expensive actually. To be quite honest I do take exception to your quite ignorant statement that they are not a proper airline; the IAA have granted them a licence thus they constitute a proper airline in the governing authorities estimation. I don't know if you consider yourself a higher authority on the matter than the IAA but unless you are, then throwing around remarks like the above are careless at best and downright ignorant at worst.

Ryanair have opened up air travel for a lot of people who previously couldn't afford to. Over 10 years ago a flight to London would still have hit close to the IR£300 mark, its a point a lot of people easily omit. I don't know know what you expect from air travel on a personal level but the fanciful notion of it being the romantic exotic experience that it most liikely once was decades ago is long gone. I would like to think that everyone is aware of Ryanairs business model and what it entails and indeed how one can find ways around it.

On topic and regarding bags, if anyone is going to the UK, I'd reccommend BMI for their baggage allowances solely. The last time I travelled economy with them I had an allowance of a checked in bag of 20kg and a further two pieces of carry on. Not very punctual mind you, outbound flight left me over an hour late.

Tarabuses · 07-04-2010 02:04PM

bmaxi wrote: »

Ryanair are to charge €20 for each checked bag in July and August.
Isn't it amazing how O'Leary can claim, on the one hand, that the €10 travel tax is killing tourism, yet add a "holiday" tax himself. Much more acceptable when going into Ryanair's coffers, obviously.

Where did you see that? I've just checked a flight in July and the charge is still €15 for the first bag and €35 for the second (which at a total of €50 is dearer than 2 x €20!).

I would also give Ryanair a clap on the back for charging us €15 for a bag compared to £15 in sterling.

scottyboy · 07-04-2010 03:44PM

The increased charge for bags will only be applied from midnight tonight for bookings in July and August.

sflemings · 07-04-2010 03:53PM

cson wrote: »

Thus we are to assume Flyglobespan, Sabena et al are were proper airlines? I do wonder if you've ever flown with easyjet because in my experience they're on a similar level to Ryanair, usually more expensive actually. To be quite honest I do take exception to your quite ignorant statement that they are not a proper airline; the IAA have granted them a licence thus they constitute a proper airline in the governing authorities estimation. I don't know if you consider yourself a higher authority on the matter than the IAA but unless you are, then throwing around remarks like the above are careless at best and downright ignorant at worst.

Ryanair have opened up air travel for a lot of people who previously couldn't afford to. Over 10 years ago a flight to London would still have hit close to the IR£300 mark, its a point a lot of people easily omit. I don't know know what you expect from air travel on a personal level but the fanciful notion of it being the romantic exotic experience that it most liikely once was decades ago is long gone. I would like to think that everyone is aware of Ryanairs business model and what it entails and indeed how one can find ways around it.

On topic and regarding bags, if anyone is going to the UK, I'd reccommend BMI for their baggage allowances solely. The last time I travelled economy with them I had an allowance of a checked in bag of 20kg and a further two pieces of carry on. Not very punctual mind you, outbound flight left me over an hour late.

Flew with FR from Kerry to London last month. Got a return flight for 2 for 55 euro. Mind you, it would have been 35 but I didn't have enough of time to put money into my MasterCard PrePaid card before the offer closed. How cool is that though when you think of it! 35 euro return for two. it would have cost 144 euro to get to dublin for a wknd.
I think if EI still had the monopoly we would be paying outrageous prices to get out of this country.

L1011 · 07-04-2010 04:34PM

cson wrote: »

Thus we are to assume Flyglobespan, Sabena et al are were proper airlines? I do wonder if you've ever flown with easyjet because in my experience they're on a similar level to Ryanair, usually more expensive actually. To be quite honest I do take exception to your quite ignorant statement that they are not a proper airline; the IAA have granted them a licence thus they constitute a proper airline in the governing authorities estimation. I don't know if you consider yourself a higher authority on the matter than the IAA but unless you are, then throwing around remarks like the above are careless at best and downright ignorant at worst.

Ryanair have opened up air travel for a lot of people who previously couldn't afford to. Over 10 years ago a flight to London would still have hit close to the IR£300 mark, its a point a lot of people easily omit. I don't know know what you expect from air travel on a personal level but the fanciful notion of it being the romantic exotic experience that it most liikely once was decades ago is long gone. I would like to think that everyone is aware of Ryanairs business model and what it entails and indeed how one can find ways around it.

On topic and regarding bags, if anyone is going to the UK, I'd reccommend BMI for their baggage allowances solely. The last time I travelled economy with them I had an allowance of a checked in bag of 20kg and a further two pieces of carry on. Not very punctual mind you, outbound flight left me over an hour late.

Flyglobespan and Sabena are no longer airlines, so I don't see why you'd even consider mentioning them in relation to the here and now.

Due to the fact that Easyjet don't serve this country, I've never had a need to use them.

And the reducing cost of flights wasn't down to Ryanair, it was down to deregulation. Had FR not been there, the price competition would have been between British Midland and Aer Lingus on Dublin->London.

What I expect from air travel is not what I expect from Dublin Bus - which is the only other transport service provider I can compare to Ryanair. Except Dublin Bus don't surcharge at random.

JHMEG · 07-04-2010 04:40PM

defitzi wrote: »

:cool:Just one small protest but I stopped using O'Leary rip-offs long ago- Sail/Rail Irish ferries to London or anywhere rail station

Assuming you live in Dublin Port, otherwise add on €€€ for the transport from your home to Dublin Port on this side.

I'm sail/railing it in June, as one of the lads is afraid of flying. Dublin Port to Paddington all in about €80 return each. I priced it on Ryanair when we first decided to go and it worked out €20 return from Dublin Airport to any of the London airports.

Sail/rail is fantastic value when put in the the context of paying for a ferry ticket and a UK train ticket.

amacachi · 07-04-2010 04:43PM

MYOB wrote: »

I've already answered that. Not Ryanair. Thats all my definition extends to.

I'm not Ryanair, good to know you have such a high opinion of me.

BenShermin · 07-04-2010 04:59PM

JHMEG wrote: »

Assuming you live in Dublin Port, otherwise add on €€€ for the transport from your home to Dublin Port on this side.

I'm sail/railing it in June, as one of the lads is afraid of flying. Dublin Port to Paddington all in about €80 return each. I priced it on Ryanair when we first decided to go and it worked out €20 return from Dublin Airport to any of the London airports.

Sail/rail is fantastic value when put in the the context of paying for a ferry ticket and a UK train ticket.

In fairness they are fantastic value when you can't book in advance with the airlines. I flew over to London LGW with Ryanair on Easter Saturday for €20 (a bargin), but I refused to pay upwards of £80gbp for a return flight on Easter Monday from any of the London airports, especially when a sailrail ticket from Wembley Central Station via London Euston to Dublin Port only cost me £30.50, booked the day before at the ticket office in Wembley Central!

On that Ryanair flight over to Gatwick I had a gander at the inflight magazine. O'Leary's latest cost cutting plan is to abolish luggage fares alltogether for people who are willing to bring their suitcases themselves to the boarding gate. The baggage handlers will then take the luggage off the passengers at the gate and put them in the hold. At the arrival airport the handlers will give the passengers their luggage at the arrival gate thus eliminating the need for check-in and baggage reclaim belts. Quite simular to the procedure they have for buggies.

The only problem I see with this is that the 100ml security rules will be enforced on passengers hold luggage.

JHMEG · 07-04-2010 05:20PM

MYOB wrote: »

And the reducing cost of flights wasn't down to Ryanair, it was down to deregulation.

Far be it from me to educate you, but Ryanair were operating long before deregulation. Some would say Ryanair precipitated deregulation.

Also, you are noticeably biased against Ryanair - have you an interest, vested or otherwise, in one of their competitors?

Stinicker · 07-04-2010 05:33PM

BenShermin wrote: »

On that Ryanair flight over to Gatwick I had a gander at the inflight magazine. O'Leary's latest cost cutting plan is to abolish luggage fares alltogether for people who are willing to bring their suitcases themselves to the boarding gate. The baggage handlers will then take the luggage off the passengers at the gate and put them in the hold. At the arrival airport the handlers will give the passengers their luggage at the arrival gate thus eliminating the need for check-in and baggage reclaim belts. Quite simular to the procedure they have for buggies.

The only problem I see with this is that the 100ml security rules will be enforced on passengers hold luggage.

I have flown on smaller Bombardier planes with Lufthansa in Germany and this sort of scenario applies to large carryon bags which would normally fit in the overhead bin of say a 737 but not in the bombardier which is only big enough for a small case like a laptop case or or small backpack.

The only problem would the security scanners for handluggage that currently exist would be too small for a larger case and your checked bag which would be free would have to be of a certain dimension. I could imagine it causing chaos in the bigger airports which are already a nightmare to go through for security. I'd do it no problem (especially on the outward) but sometimes it is nice to just dump the case and take a nose through the Duty free etc.

L1011 · 07-04-2010 05:34PM

JHMEG wrote: »

Far be it from me to educate you, but Ryanair were operating long before deregulation. Some would say Ryanair precipitated deregulation.

Also, you are noticeably biased against Ryanair - have you an interest, vested or otherwise, in one of their competitors?

Ryanair precipitated European-wide deregulation? Pray tell how? Particularly as they were a small, financially failing operator at the time.

And no, I work in the medical services sector and have nothing to do with airlines, ground transportation, or indeed anything else that Ryanair compete in. Other than as a frequent customer.

I'm "noticeably biased" about a bus service with wings that has an attention-whore as a CEO and pretends to be a proper airline.

robinph · 07-04-2010 05:37PM

Can't see the airports allowing that due to too many people with too many bags then clogging up their shoping areas. It's also not likely to speed up their turn-a-round time.

cson · 07-04-2010 05:44PM

MYOB wrote: »

Flyglobespan and Sabena are no longer airlines, so I don't see why you'd even consider mentioning them in relation to the here and now.

By your rationale, they would have been considered proper airlines - i.e. Not Ryanair. I'm sure you can see the absurdity of the logic you're using.

MYOB wrote: »

I'm "noticeably biased" about a bus service with wings that has an attention-whore as a CEO and pretends to be a proper airline.

I don't Ryanair pretends to be anything its not.

Btw I like to know exactly what the surprise surcharges you alude to are?

Stinicker · 07-04-2010 05:45PM

robinph wrote: »

Can't see the airports allowing that due to too many people with too many bags then clogging up their shoping areas. It's also not likely to speed up their turn-a-round time.

Alot the Ryanair Airports are just sheds though so it wouldn't make a difference to the likes of Kerry Airport for example.

L1011 · 07-04-2010 05:49PM

cson wrote: »

By your rationale, they would have been considered proper airlines - i.e. Not Ryanair. I'm sure you can see the absurdity of the logic you're using.

They were. They went out of business. Relevance? Plenty of pissant low cost operators have gone under or ceased to exist under their own branding too - more of them than full-service airlines in fact.

cson wrote: »

Btw I like to know exactly what the surprise surcharges you alude to are?

Un-broken-down "taxes and charges". Travel insurance added by default. One particularly obscure and not issued by any bank in Ireland card without a surcharge. Baggage charges being hiked for peak season without any other (e.g. fuel) justification - the entire point of this thread. Priority boarding charges. I could continue...

Fighting Irish · 07-04-2010 06:02PM

Ryanair will fly you somewhere for sh!t cheap, if you get anything more than your seat you'll get charged extra, simple as. I wish people would stop complaining about this, it's nice to have the option of an airline like this

robinph · 07-04-2010 06:13PM

MYOB wrote: »

Un-broken-down "taxes and charges". Travel insurance added by default. One particularly obscure and not issued by any bank in Ireland card without a surcharge. Baggage charges being hiked for peak season without any other (e.g. fuel) justification - the entire point of this thread. Priority boarding charges. I could continue...

Strange to have a problem with being told what it is the money you pay them is being charged for.

Would you rather fly with Airline A:
€10 for the flight
€15 airport charge
€15 for a bag
€5 credit card charge
€5 for something else I can't thing of right now

or with Airline B:
€50 for the flight

Both going to the same place, at the same time etc?

L1011 · 07-04-2010 06:23PM

robinph wrote: »

Strange to have a problem with being told what it is the money you pay them is being charged for.

Would you rather fly with Airline A:
€10 for the flight
€15 airport charge
€15 for a bag
€5 credit card charge
€5 for something else I can't thing of right now

or with Airline B:
€50 for the flight

Both going to the same place, at the same time etc?

From my experience, Airline A would be €40 for the flight, before the added charges; unless I was willing to fly at 6 in the morning the day before I actually wanted to go...

I have a problem with businesses who do not give you full costs up-front in any sector. Airlines and ticket sales agents are about the only people who still do this.

Ryanair ups baggage charges for holidays

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