anyone think mahmoud ahmadinejad is just a silly "troll"?

imported_guy · 04-04-2010 10:58AM #1

i mean come on LOL, he ONLY talks about classical trolling topics

-holocaust denial (and the way he invited the KKK leader to iran to a holocaust denial summit or something lol)
-homosexuality (or the nonexistance of it in iran)
-zionism/jews and how bad they are, and wiping them off the map

and every time i hear these 2 speeches i just burst out laughing, what a character lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUOf4PSUDdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ZI_uPNM7w

pushing his antisemetic agenda at a anti-racism conference LOL

FlutterinBantam · 04-04-2010 12:18PM

Careful there lad, he could have a lot of friends in here:cool:

Biggins · 04-04-2010 12:26PM

He's a much mis-lead headcase. He's also just a figurehead also for more hardliners too I suspect.
Maybe even a fall guy!

Kiwi_knock · 04-04-2010 01:25PM

I do not really know what to think of him. I think he only says these things to get a reaction, he looks for the headlines and the world's media focus on Iran. I say he loves that he is in the papers nearly everyday mostly with stories concerning his absurd views. I don't really think he is a believer of most of the stuff he says but rather he believes in the effect it will have on people.

moonpurple · 04-04-2010 01:27PM

don't like him for shooting protesters off the street,

I would lend my passport for the next mossad assasin trip, if he is going under the pillow, if they are online, get in touch

dsmythy · 04-04-2010 03:34PM

Pity we can't ban him and lock the thread.

Bob Z · 04-04-2010 03:37PM

imported_guy wrote: »

-holocaust denial (and the way he invited the KKK leader to iran to a holocaust denial summit or something
-zionism/jews and how bad they are, and wiping them off the map

I don't know about the rest but he didn't say the part about holocaust denial he was misquoted

djsomers · 04-04-2010 04:58PM

He has never denied the Holocaust happend. But what people see is that the western world are afraid of Islam and the truth. The truth is that Israel was founded (and is still ruled) by terrorists who killed the British (who were trying to keep the peace), Arabs and Jews alike. The state of Israel does not recognise the rights of Orthodox Jews, Christians and Muslims. It is completely abhorant for the state of Israal to use the victims of the Holocaust to land grab in the name of Judaism. Any God fearing Jewish person will see by their history and in the teachings of their faith that this propagated war on "Terrorism" is a lie. We must remember the Holocaust and it's victims, never use it as a stick to beat with. What fault was it of Palestine or the Palestinians. This happened in Europe. That was Ahmadinejad's point, nothing more.

imported_guy · 04-04-2010 07:21PM

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

I do not really know what to think of him. I think he only says these things to get a reaction,

i think thats pretty much the definition of trolling lol

djsomers wrote: »

He has never denied the Holocaust happend. But what people see is that the western world are afraid of Islam and the truth. The truth is that Israel was founded (and is still ruled) by terrorists who killed the British (who were trying to keep the peace), Arabs and Jews alike. The state of Israel does not recognise the rights of Orthodox Jews, Christians and Muslims. It is completely abhorant for the state of Israal to use the victims of the Holocaust to land grab in the name of Judaism. Any God fearing Jewish person will see by their history and in the teachings of their faith that this propagated war on "Terrorism" is a lie. We must remember the Holocaust and it's victims, never use it as a stick to beat with. What fault was it of Palestine or the Palestinians. This happened in Europe. That was Ahmadinejad's point, nothing more.

well i agree with alot of what you say, im not saying zionism is good or anything, actully thats one of ahmedinejad's views that i support, and well i know media likes to be dramatic specially the likes of fox news so i take everything with a grain of salt, and i know he was probably misquouted on trying to wipe israel off the map and outright trying to deny the holocaust, and i know there are alot of jews who actully SUPPORT him and his anti zionist views.

i actully agree isreal is not really a legit state, but they are the ones with the big daddy's support so...:rolleyes:

some trolls are actully cool people :P, maybe hes one of them?

irishconvert · 04-04-2010 11:04PM

imported_guy wrote: »

pushing his antisemetic agenda at a anti-racism conference LOL

Which parts of this speech do you consider to be antisemetic?

imported_guy · 04-04-2010 11:13PM

irishconvert wrote: »

Which parts of this speech do you consider to be antisemetic?

actully i should correct my self and say anti zionist rather than antisemetic but both do genrally go hand in hand, he is being anti-semetic towards zionist jews rather than ALL jews like say hitler or nick griffin

irishconvert · 04-04-2010 11:17PM

imported_guy wrote: »

actully i should correct my self and say anti zionist rather than antisemetic but both do genrally go hand in hand, he is being anti-semetic towards zionist jews rather than ALL jews like say hitler or nick griffin

Ok, what is wrong with being anti-zionist then? I am anti-zionist. I am against the apartheid system they have in Israel and the opression and slaughter of the people in Gaza. Can you tell me what is wrong with this point of view?

Joey the lips · 04-04-2010 11:21PM

I would love to say that anyone that hates america is a friend of mine but I think this fella is slightly off the planet...

Having saud that... I dont much care what he does....

imported_guy · 04-04-2010 11:30PM

irishconvert wrote: »

Ok, what is wrong with being anti-zionist then? I am anti-zionist. I am against the apartheid system they have in Israel and the opression and slaughter of the people in Gaza. Can you tell me what is wrong with this point of view?

well in that case theres nothing wrong with being a national socialst either is there?... poor hitler eh? :rolleyes:

if you cared to read post number 9 i pretty much said i support ahmedinejad's views on zionism, why are we arguing? im just making the point he is abusing his power to cause a global reaction AKA trolling, hence the thread topic, i just want to get people's views on trolls in the international political arena.

george bush was a pretty good one too

mission accomplished anyone?

irishconvert · 04-04-2010 11:59PM

imported_guy wrote: »

well in that case theres nothing wrong with being a national socialst either is there?... poor hitler eh? :rolleyes:

if you cared to read post number 9 i pretty much said i support ahmedinejad's views on zionism, why are we arguing? im just making the point he is abusing his power to cause a global reaction AKA trolling, hence the thread topic, i just want to get people's views on trolls in the international political arena.]

Well I didn't read your other post, I just watched the videos you posted and didn't find much wrong with what he was saying. I don't know why people make him out to be some kind of looney. Most of what he says seems very reasonable (that is if you listen to the whole speech and not the edited version you will hear on BBC/SKY/FOX).

monosharp · 05-04-2010 12:03AM

imported_guy wrote: »

actully i should correct my self and say anti zionist rather than antisemetic but both do genrally go hand in hand, he is being anti-semetic towards zionist jews rather than ALL jews like say hitler or nick griffin

.... Anti-Zionist and anti-Semetic go hand-in-hand ? :pac:

Like anti-terrorism and anti-islam yeah ? Or anti-terrorism and anti-Irish ?

Ahmadinejad may be wrong on many points but he's got it fairly correct when he talks about Zionism. Zionism is the politically correct and globally acceptable form of Nazism.

There are many anti-Zionists who are not anti-Semetic.

imported_guy · 05-04-2010 12:18AM

monosharp wrote: »

.... Anti-Zionist and anti-Semetic go hand-in-hand ? :pac:

Like anti-terrorism and anti-islam yeah ? Or anti-terrorism and anti-Irish ?

Ahmadinejad may be wrong on many points but he's got it fairly correct when he talks about Zionism. Zionism is the politically correct and globally acceptable form of Nazism.

There are many anti-Zionists who are not anti-Semetic.

well as we say not all muslims are terrorists but most terrorists these days are muslim

in alot of cases anti terrorism and anti islam does go hand in hand (if its a red neck shouting fcuk jihad that kills both birds with one stone the red neck is pretty smart at being both anti terroristic/patriotic and anti islamist at the same time)

anti terroism and anti irish? i dont think you get the point unless you're reffering to the IRA days when most brits actully thought all irish people are scumbags associated with the rah?

where are you going to draw the line between anti semetism and anti zionism?, if you are strongly anti-semetic (AKA hitler) you are anti zionist by default, if you want to kill every single jew why support their struggle for their own homeland?

irishconvert · 05-04-2010 12:51AM

imported_guy wrote: »

well as we say not all muslims are terrorists but most terrorists these days are muslim

I didn't know the terrorists who invaded Iraq were Muslim.

I didn't know the terrorists who invaded Afghanistan were Muslim.

I didn't know the terrorists who bombed the Gaza strip to bits were Muslim.

I didn't know the terrorists who locked 100's of people up in guantanamo bay without trial were Muslims.

imported_guy · 05-04-2010 12:57AM

irishconvert wrote: »

I didn't know the terrorists who invaded Iraq were Muslim.

I didn't know the terrorists who invaded Afghanistan were Muslim.

I didn't know the terrorists who bombed the Gaza strip to bits were Muslim.

I didn't know the terrorists who locked 100's of people up in guantanamo bay without trial were Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3utlVxTSKhU

yeah i know jeez i wish you had read the memo on american army recruiting muslims.

yeah some of the people who invaded iraq/afghanistan are muslim and proud americans. i know its hard to believe and digest that. but can we get back to the topic now? pretty please?

nesf · 05-04-2010 01:46AM

Let's leave discussion of terrorism for a different thread please.

sock puppet · 05-04-2010 01:52AM

irishconvert wrote: »

Well I didn't read your other post, I just watched the videos you posted and didn't find much wrong with what he was saying. I don't know why people make him out to be some kind of looney. Most of what he says seems very reasonable (that is if you listen to the whole speech and not the edited version you will hear on BBC/SKY/FOX).

So Iran really does have no homosexuals?

Lone Stone · 05-04-2010 02:16AM

I get the feeling he may be Iran's version of George Bush

dsmythy · 05-04-2010 02:39AM

irishconvert wrote: »

I didn't know the terrorists who invaded Afghanistan were Muslim.

Yeah, damn United Nations and their sanctioning of things!

monosharp · 05-04-2010 07:05AM

imported_guy wrote: »

well as we say not all muslims are terrorists but most terrorists these days are muslim

Most terrorists where ? You mean most terrorists in the media today ?

How easily peoples attention can be controlled.

in alot of cases anti terrorism and anti islam does go hand in hand

So to be anti-terrorism you must be anti-islam ? or at least the majority of people who are anti-terrorism should be anti-islam ?

Jaysus that makes great sense. Sher why didn't the Brits ever think about just killing all the olde catholics in Northern Ireland, that would have dealt with the IRA.

(if its a red neck shouting fcuk jihad that kills both birds with one stone the red neck is pretty smart at being both anti terroristic/patriotic and anti islamist at the same time)

Yeah .... no.

anti terroism and anti irish? i dont think you get the point unless you're reffering to the IRA days when most brits actully thought all irish people are scumbags associated with the rah?

So back in the day, you'd agree that been anti-terrorist and been anti-Irish went hand-in-hand ?

where are you going to draw the line between anti semetism and anti zionism?,

Easily.

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews, often rooted in hatred of their ethnic background, culture, or religion.

Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is an international nationalist[1] political movement that, in its broadest sense, calls for the existence of a sovereign, Jewish national homeland.

I am not prejudiced against Jews nor have any ill-feeling towards their ethnic background, culture or religion.

I am against many aspects of Zionism. I am against the idea of a Jewish state for the Jewish people just as much as I'm against a 'catholic state' for the Irish people. I wonder how the world would react if we started treating ethnic/cultural minorities in Ireland as the Israeli's are treating the Palestinians. Zionism is apartheid without stating it.

I agree that people of Semetic backgrounds have every right to live where they are, but setting up a religious state where everyone else is a second class citizen by default is not right. Will never be right and can never be justified.

Israel is South Africa 20 years ago.

if you are strongly anti-semetic (AKA hitler) you are anti zionist by default, if you want to kill every single jew why support their struggle for their own homeland?

Sure, anti-semetic means your also anti-Zionist.

But it doesn't work the other way round. Been anti-Zionist does not necessarily mean your anti-Semetic.

Andrew33 · 05-04-2010 07:29AM

I personally think he's a bit of a Michael O Leary, he provokes reaction but there's a lot of truth in what he says when you get past the bluster. And I have some respect for the guy for standing up to western powers throwing their weight around and trying to bully countries into submission just because they sing a different tune.

FlutterinBantam · 05-04-2010 08:15AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

I would love to say that anyone that hates america is a friend of mine but I think this fella is slightly off the planet...

Having saud that... I dont much care what he does....

Would that be North America or South America?

Why the hate, is it your left wing socialist upbringing or just to appear cool?

dlofnep · 05-04-2010 08:32AM

imported_guy wrote: »

where are you going to draw the line between anti semetism and anti zionism?

Well - that's easy, there are two seperate things that are not related.

imported_guy wrote: »

, if you are strongly anti-semetic (AKA hitler) you are anti zionist by default, if you want to kill every single jew why support their struggle for their own homeland?

Firstly - opposing zionism does not involve "killing every single jew". Opposing zionism means that you oppose the zionist plan of creating a homeland at the expense of the native population.

FlutterinBantam · 05-04-2010 09:23AM

irishconvert wrote: »

I didn't know the terrorists who invaded Iraq were Muslim.

I didn't know the terrorists who invaded Afghanistan were Muslim.

I didn't know the terrorists who bombed the Gaza strip to bits were Muslim.

I didn't know the terrorists who locked 100's of people up in guantanamo bay without trial were Muslims.

Maybe you could explain the term 'terrorist' here sir?

You seem to be speaking a different language than most rational people.

Like who are the 'terrorists' in guantanamo bay?

dlofnep · 05-04-2010 09:28AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Maybe you could explain the term 'terrorist' here sir?

I would imagine - He's implying that terrorist seems to be conveniently used by the media towards a certain demographic - and that other nations, who have committed acts of terrorism seem to have a get out of jail free card when it comes to the term "terrorism".

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

You seem to be speaking a different language than most rational people.

No he doesn't - And you're not in a position to determine who's rational, and who isn't.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Like who are the 'terrorists' in guantanamo bay?

We'll never know - They haven't received a trial.

alex73 · 05-04-2010 09:29AM

He is a puppet of a religious fanatic. Abuses of Catholic church are nothing compared to the abuses of the religous leaders of Iran.

cafecolour · 05-04-2010 11:02AM

Lone Stone wrote: »

I get the feeling he may be Iran's version of George Bush

My sentiment exactly. He engages in saber rattling and the like to deflect attention from the mess he's made domestically.

anyone think mahmoud ahmadinejad is just a silly "troll"?

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