Irish Open 2010 - Structure

fab-frankie · 05-01-2010 10:27PM

DAMO72 wrote: »

No , your just jealous cos i have a secret admirerer and all you have is bad beat stories ,:p Pllllllphhhhhh!:p:eek:

i'll stake the 2 of u in the super sat, (1 rebuy only) at a 65% return on any winnings. :P:P:P:P:P:P
if i go and play this event and there is 10k on the table in fount of me, i'll fire 7k all around the room, and push my 3k stack all in every hand as a protest!!!:p:p:p:p:p

DAMO72 · 05-01-2010 10:30PM

fab-frankie wrote: »

i'll stake the 2 of u in the super sat, (1 rebuy only) at a 65% return on any winnings. :P:P:P:P:P:P
if i go and play this event and there is 10k on the table in fount of me, i'll fire 7k all around the room, and push my 3k stack all in every hand as a protest!!!:p:p:p:p:p

LOL , you must protest at a lot of tournaments:D:p:p:p

Recon20k · 06-01-2010 06:27PM

double the starting stack please

The Clamper · 07-01-2010 12:04AM

Hi Noel

great to see this being posted as a super suggested structure, always nice to see organisors not just paying liupservice to what players are saying and actually doing something about it

just as an aside really, have you got the date of the event tied down yet ?

also my tuppence worth, the starting stack can be whatever you like, there was a time when a starting stack of 10k was reserved for the main wsop event
the size of the stack will determine how one decides to play the event, however i do subscribe to the idea that 10k gives you more room for scope on one's strategy

having said all that, i will probably just either donk them off or play so loose that i donk them off, basicly donking whatever amount you give us, large or small, the only difference is with a larger stack, that could take longer

good luck with the event

Derek
incidentally
what odds would i get on making it thru the 1st level
or
the 1st break
i need to know the size of the starting stack before placing a bet

BigCityBanker · 07-01-2010 12:08AM

April 2nd - 5th

www.irishpokeropen.com

fab-frankie · 07-01-2010 04:40AM

DAMO72 wrote: »

LOL , you must protest at a lot of tournaments:D:p:p:p

tats phil u eejet, i'd say u could sell a % of urself to that douglas lad and u do the same for him in the wsop

:eek::rolleyes:;):D:D:D

philcassidy · 07-01-2010 06:39PM

fab-frankie wrote: »

tats phil u eejet, i'd say u could sell a % of urself to that douglas lad and u do the same for him in the wsop:eek::rolleyes:;):D:D:D

listen that was a one off me tossing the table:D
although it has crossed my mind a few times recently

"i knew he had nothing, but what was i beating franky??"

:D:D:D

The Clamper · 07-01-2010 11:55PM

THANKS
DEREK

gorrrr72 · 08-01-2010 02:24AM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Less chips longer clock means more play when it matters. It's that simple.

Who cares about the numptys who want 20k so they can sit for ten hours and say they went deep in the Irish open. The best tournaments I've played have been in Vegas where almost all are small stack long clock.

Drop the starting stack to 8k and remove the 25-50 and 75-150 level and the players who get deep will see the benefits

So start on 50/100 and go to 100/200.
This is just dumb.
We are talking about a game of poker here not bingo. Your talking about a totaly different game.
If you truly understood deepstack poker where you thought about what decisions you had to make on every street you wouldn't have came up with that statement.
You are talking about a game with no play after level 1 with a buy in of €3500. If you want to kill a tournament that's the way to go.

RichieLawlor · 08-01-2010 07:39PM

gorrrr72 wrote: »

So start on 50/100 and go to 100/200.
This is just dumb.
We are talking about a game of poker here not bingo. Your talking about a totaly different game.
If you truly understood deepstack poker where you thought about what decisions you had to make on every street you wouldn't have came up with that statement.
You are talking about a game with no play after level 1 with a buy in of €3500. If you want to kill a tournament that's the way to go.

The above bolded statements show exactly how little you know tbh.

Oh i know all you 'goodplayers' want loads of chips and 4 hour levels ect, but you lot are the same guys who sit for 3 levels find Aces, double up, sit for another ten levels find Aces and double up and then proclaim how well you played. Also the same lads who whinge when there AA is cracked by small suited connectors. Its quite easy for the 'fish' to play against these types.

Secondly, The most important part of a tournament is the first few levels right, No ldo, the important part is to have play when deep into an event. Hence my idea, which is employed in a lot of vegas cardroons and beyond. Less chips and a faster clock in the early levels mean a faster rate of attrition, which in turn means a larger average stack at the business end of a tournament. Who wants to sit for 2 days and bust out on the money bubble flipping for your stack because there is no other option. This happens in most of these 'deepstack' events in ireland.

I know your probably comparing most events to that 2hr clock Poker Room game. Whilst a great tournament was nonsensical in that for a 200 buy there were 3 full days of play for a 3k 1st prize. Madness, i enjoyed it also but never again will i play an event like that with such a small buyin.

So in summary, your post is nonsense

gorrrr72 · 08-01-2010 10:15PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

The above bolded statements show exactly how little you know tbh.

Oh i know all you 'goodplayers' want loads of chips and 4 hour levels ect, but you lot are the same guys who sit for 3 levels find Aces, double up, sit for another ten levels find Aces and double up and then proclaim how well you played. Also the same lads who whinge when there AA is cracked by small suited connectors. Its quite easy for the 'fish' to play against these types.

Secondly, The most important part of a tournament is the first few levels right, No ldo, the important part is to have play when deep into an event. Hence my idea, which is employed in a lot of vegas cardroons and beyond. Less chips and a faster clock in the early levels mean a faster rate of attrition, which in turn means a larger average stack at the business end of a tournament. Who wants to sit for 2 days and bust out on the money bubble flipping for your stack because there is no other option. This happens in most of these 'deepstack' events in ireland.

I know your probably comparing most events to that 2hr clock Poker Room game. Whilst a great tournament was nonsensical in that for a 200 buy there were 3 full days of play for a 3k 1st prize. Madness, i enjoyed it also but never again will i play an event like that with such a small buyin.

So in summary, your post is nonsense

Hi Richie,
I probably had too much g&t when I wrote that post. It was directed at the organizers of the IO because they are looking for opinions on their structural changes.
Although I do commend them on their changes I still maintain that a deeper stacked tournament makes the cream rise to the top.

Now I don't mind playing crapshooty early on in lower buy-ins tournaments, but to fork out €3500 I would hope to be able to withstand the odd bad beat/mistake and still be able to play poker.

To answer a couple of your comments above: Anyone who doubles up the tighty in a deepstack tournament when he obviously has aces is an idiot.

Faster rate of attrition is not to make more play later in Vegas casinos, It's to knock out as many players as possible so they can keep gambling. Do you really think they care about value/structure. This is Vegas, they thrive on offering the easiest way to separate a punter from his money, not to keep him occupied in a poker tournament for 3 days.

I know what you are saying about the Poker Room event and I agree with you on that. I wouldn't play it again unless it was €500 minimum buy-in.

For the record I never won any big pots with big pairs in that tournament. In fact I got aces twice and kings once in the whole tournament. In the KK hand I lost 10k late on day 1 where I had a decision for my tournament but got away from it. In the aces hands, 1)Raise and take it. 2) I had a decision on every street against Lorcan on the final table but won the hand.

When you have a small stack your decisions are a lot easier, you move all in with a wide range of hands. If I had a stack of 20 big blinds, and someone raised the pot, I would move all in with A-K, Q-Q, or J-J and take my chances. If I had 100 big blinds, I would be more likely to only call, especially if I had position on my opponent. If I was reraising here instead of just calling, for the most part it would be because I was on a semibluff.

It is easy to see that the deepstacked game has much more skill in it than simply deciding whether to go all in with a short stack

bigbadpat · 20-01-2010 01:09AM

Paddy Power Poker is being a bit harsh on the ladies as they state on their website via the link

http://www.paddypowerpoker.com/index.php/tournaments/irishopen

Irish Open 2010: Full Schedule

Sunday 4th April 3 pm Ladies NLH Championship
Buy-In €300 + Reg €300 :eek: :eek:

Either that or someone has taken their eye off the ball

once again !!

bigbadpat · 20-01-2010 03:07PM

Thanks to ionapaul the errors on the web page

http://www.paddypowerpoker.com/index.php/tournaments/irishopen

in respect of the Irish Open 2010: Full Schedule have now been corrected,:D