Gay couple turned away from B&B

Degsy · 25-03-2010 07:28PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

yes but you challenge the not tonight and they have to prove they had a legitmate reason for refusing entry.

Challenge the "not tonite" and you'll get told to fcuck off away from the door.
The real world can be a bastard of a place sometimes and sometimes it just aint fair but thats the way it is.

ejmaztec · 25-03-2010 08:07PM

DonJose wrote: »

Been years since I stayed in a B&B, stayed in one in the Aran Islands and my GF swore the old owner was peeking into the shower from the window above the door. Would have told him to fukk off, but I don't speak Irish.

You should have used the Universal Language i.e. kicked him in the balls.

Bonito · 25-03-2010 08:10PM

It's in the name, Boobs and Balls. One part has to be female and the other part male. Or one can be a hermaphradite. Whatever you're in to.

scudzilla · 25-03-2010 08:11PM

It was her HOME, she surely has the right to decide who stays there

GLaDOS · 25-03-2010 08:19PM

scudzilla wrote: »

It was her HOME, she surely has the right to decide who stays there

I agree with this tbh, she's a intolerent backwards old bint, but I can understand not wanting to let something against her convictions happen in her house, misguided as they may be.

scudzilla · 25-03-2010 08:21PM

I'm sure that if the couple who turned up were male and female but junkies, ya know the look, really strung out, she'd have refused them too. I doubt we'd be hearing anything about this now, just the fact that they happened to be gay has made it news.

Like i said, her home, her choice who stays in it

Millicent · 25-03-2010 08:29PM

scudzilla wrote: »

I'm sure that if the couple who turned up were male and female but junkies, ya know the look, really strung out, she'd have refused them too. I doubt we'd be hearing anything about this now, just the fact that they happened to be gay has made it news.

Like i said, her home, her choice who stays in it

Not really if she's charging for the pleasure.

GLaDOS · 25-03-2010 08:36PM

scudzilla wrote: »

I'm sure that if the couple who turned up were male and female but junkies, ya know the look, really strung out, she'd have refused them too. I doubt we'd be hearing anything about this now, just the fact that they happened to be gay has made it news.

Like i said, her home, her choice who stays in it

Someone obviosly high on drugs might be a danger to the owners and other guests, would be perfectly reasonable to refuse them, can't compare that to a gay couple

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 25-03-2010 08:41PM

scudzilla wrote: »

It was her HOME, she surely has the right to decide who stays there

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I agree with this tbh, she's a intolerent backwards old bint, but I can understand not wanting to let something against her convictions happen in her house, misguided as they may be.

I only quoted it on the previous page, but here you go again.

Flynn Prickly Link wrote: »

Wrong...

The recent furore has surrounded discrimination against gay couples, where a number of B&B owners have refused to allow them to share a room on the grounds that their sexuality contradicts their religious beliefs. This was brought to a head when the government introduced the sexual orientation regulations that would outlaw the provision of any service on those grounds.

From here.

Degsy wrote: »

Yeah but its difficult to prove that the reaon they were turned away was that they were gay.
Obviously if the owner says "no gay coules in the rooms" you'd have a case but she could say something like "I dont like the look of you,especially you in the dress".

Definately, the best thing she could have done was to say "sorry we are full" but they had made a booking. She kinda shot herself in the foot.

SV wrote: »

Bet if it was Islam they wouldn't even try and bring a case against them..

but cheers for the link

Hmm, not sure, I think they would. I couldn't see the high courts discriminating against anyone. Not sure if it happens or not.

Hogzy wrote: »

Thats English Legislation that does not apply in Ireland. If your B&B is your home then you can refuse anyone you want. Its not a commercial premises its your home property and 99% of B&B's are homes.

The case is in England... Why would I quote a law from a different country than the article the OP is about?

scudzilla wrote: »

I'm sure that if the couple who turned up were male and female but junkies, ya know the look, really strung out, she'd have refused them too. I doubt we'd be hearing anything about this now, just the fact that they happened to be gay has made it news.

Like i said, her home, her choice who stays in it

Well junkies are not socially acceptable. Again, it might be her home, but it's a business. Refer to the top of this post for clarification.

Midnight_EG · 25-03-2010 08:48PM

Since when is being gay a minority?

GLaDOS · 25-03-2010 08:49PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Since when is being gay a minority?

Since there is less gay people then straight people.

Helix · 25-03-2010 08:55PM

Millicent wrote: »

Not really if she's charging for the pleasure.

its not like she took their money and didnt let them stay

Millicent · 25-03-2010 09:00PM

Helix wrote: »

its not like she took their money and didnt let them stay

Only cos they asked for a refund. Can you imagine going to Tesco and the security guard refusing you your shopping because you were gay? Or the Hilton or the Ritz not letting you in because you were gay?

Just because she was running a business from her home does not negate her responsibility to her customers who weren't doing anything to cause a disruption.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 25-03-2010 09:02PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Since when is being gay a minority?

Lol wtf?

You didn't really think about that one, did you? :P

Degsy · 25-03-2010 09:04PM

I really dont see why people should wear thier sexual preferences on thier sleeves as much as some people do.
Its almost like they're looking for trouble..i mean if you get refused from a pub you dont start taking them through the courts..you find somewhere else.
But if you happen to be gay and it occurs,some people cant wait to start going to the media talking about discrimination etc.
I know that if i were gay,which i aint,i'd keep it to myself as its really none of anybody else's business.
I used to be a punk rocker in my early 20's and the amount of discrimination,hostility and outright violence we sometimes faced was unbeleivable..not just in pubs etc but walking down the street...i made the decision to wear the "costume song and dance" so in many ways i brought it on myself but in other ways you should be allowed to do your own thing without interference from others.
Discrimination will always occur,its the nature of human beings to be narrow minded but when it happpens,dust yourself down and dont get on a high horse about it.

Millicent · 25-03-2010 09:06PM

Degsy wrote: »

I really dont see why people should wear thier sexual preferences on thier sleeves as much as some people do.
Its almost like they're looking for trouble..i mean if you get refused from a pub you dont start taking them through the courts..you find somewhere else.
But if you happen to be gay and it occurs,some people cant wait to start going to the media talking about discrimination etc.
I know that if i were gay,which i aint,i'd keep it to myself as its really none of anybody else's business.
I used to be a punk rocker in my early 20's and the amount of discrimination,hostility and outright violence we sometimes faced was unbeleivable..not just in pubs etc but walking down the street...i made the decision to wear the "costume song and dance" so in many ways i brought it on myself but in other ways you should be allowed to do your own thing without interference from others.
Discrimination will always occur,its the nature of human beings to be narrow minded but when it happpens,dust yourself down and dont get on a high horse about it.

How is looking for a bed for the night wearing their sexuality on their sleeves though? And no one ever says to hetero couples, "ew, that's disgusting. Get your straightness out of my face."

efb · 25-03-2010 09:09PM

But if people don't stand up for their rights, nothing will change.

Should Rosa Parks just sat in her area and not made an issue of it?

Midnight_EG · 25-03-2010 09:10PM

I wouldnt consider someone gay as being in a minority though, being homosexual shouldnt be classed as a 'group' like black/white/muslim/christian.

efb · 25-03-2010 09:11PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

I wouldnt consider someone gay as being in a minority though, being homosexual shouldnt be classed as a 'group' like black/white/muslim/christian.

How would you class them?

GLaDOS · 25-03-2010 09:12PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

I wouldnt consider someone gay as being in a minority though, being homosexual shouldnt be classed as a 'group' like black/white/muslim/christian.

Why are those things 'groups' and sexuality isn't?

Midnight_EG · 25-03-2010 09:13PM

efb wrote: »

How would you class them?

I don't, hence my last post saying they shouldn't be classed.

They're all normal people and classing shouldn't go on, like woo who gives a flying fuck if you're gay/black/muslim, you're still a person, not a class/group.

Midnight_EG · 25-03-2010 09:13PM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Why are those things 'groups' and sexuality isn't?

I never said I myself class them, others do.

GLaDOS · 25-03-2010 09:15PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

I don't, hence my last post saying they shouldn't be classed.

They're all normal people and classing shouldn't go on, like woo who gives a flying fuck if you're gay/black/muslim, you're still a person, not a class/group.

Why stop at a person? Why not include mammals/vertebrates/eukaryotes/organisms in this all consuming umbrella of love?

Fact is, people are grouped, doesn't have to be a negative thing, it's just an observation.

Millicent · 25-03-2010 09:15PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

I never said I myself class them, others do.

But that's the problem. Gay people feel they have to class themselves as a minority as other people are already judging them as such. Decent people like yourself don't but others do to discriminate against them so that is why they are classed as a minority.

efb · 25-03-2010 09:16PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

I don't, hence my last post saying they shouldn't be classed.

They're all normal people and classing shouldn't go on, like woo who gives a flying fuck if you're gay/black/muslim, you're still a person, not a class/group.

But when your sexuality stops you from spending a night with your partner, you find yourself signaled out because of that, it becomes one.

Midnight_EG · 25-03-2010 09:18PM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Why stop at a person? Why not include mammals/vertebrates/eukaryotes/organisms in this all consuming umbrella of love?

Fact is, people are grouped, doesn't have to be a negative thing, it's just an observation.

Any like my post says, it was an opinion of mine that they should not be grouped as such. Not causing an argument, just voicing some opinions.

Millicent wrote: »

But that's the problem. Gay people feel they have to class themselves as a minority as other people are already judging them as such. Decent people like yourself don't but others do to discriminate against them so that is why they are classed as a minority.

I don't get that, they fight so long to gain recognition, then wither back down and call themselves a minority and don't like that tag. Why bother getting recognition and not liking the tag? Pfft, who cares, still people to me.

Degsy · 25-03-2010 09:19PM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Why are those things 'groups' and sexuality isn't?

Because sexuality is supposed to be a personal thing..maybe you like the odd slap during sex,you dont need to wear a badge proclaiming the fact,likewise you might like 7ft tall obese women wearing boots and smoking,again its your choice you dont need to go advertising it.

Midnight_EG · 25-03-2010 09:20PM

efb wrote: »

But when your sexuality stops you from spending a night with your partner, you find yourself signaled out because of that, it becomes one.

My point exactly, if they werent quite clearly defined as being gay, the owner would not have mentioned a thing and may not have known about their type of relationship until the morning after, or not at all even! Privacy is something of value and the so called 'gays' hated being 'in the closet' about it, then they come out and hate the stick they get? If it was all private, nobody would be harmed and everyone happy, as long as being gay was recognised but didn't have to be bluntly known to everyone!

Millicent · 25-03-2010 09:21PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Any like my post says, it was an opinion of mine that they should not be grouped as such. Not causing an argument, just voicing some opinions.

I don't get that, they fight so long to gain recognition, then wither back down and call themselves a minority and don't like that tag. Why bother getting recognition and not liking the tag? Pfft, who cares, still people to me.

My point though is that, lovely as it is that you see them as people, equal to you, lots of people don't. So because they are singled out by others to be made to feel different and perverted, they have to hold themselves as a minority to be able to mobilise against the discrimination which comes their way.

Degsy · 25-03-2010 09:22PM

efb wrote: »

But when your sexuality stops you from spending a night with your partner, you find yourself signaled out because of that, it becomes one.

Well that was due to the ignorance or bigotry or whatver prejudice the owner had.
Certainly he wasnt right to refuse them because of thier sexuality but how did he know?They didnt need to proclaim themselves as a couple straight away..discretion can sometimes be the better part of valour.

Gay couple turned away from B&B

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