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ACTA treaty is a threat to everyone

  • 21-03-2010 01:54PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭


    I,M angry about ACTA.
    See here http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/these-42-people-are-shaping-us-internet-enforcement-policy.ars
    basically this treaty covers copy right,on the web.
    IT MEANS THAT ALL isps will have to monitor all traffic to stop music filesharing etc
    its being negotiated in secret by 7 governments, usa .south korea etc
    WHEN its passed its gonna be FORCED on all other countrys thru WTO, trade agreements.
    SO 7 countrys are gonna force the rest of the world to adopt their laws to protect record companys etc.
    WE already have stupid laws here,
    ie its illegal to put rip mp3s onto your mp3player,or rip a dvd to your laptop.
    SO EVERY country will have a MORE stringent DMCA LAW.

    how would the americans like it if the irish government
    negotiated in secret with the EU ,to restrict freedom of speech in the us ,or stop them
    be allowed to carry guns.THERE would be uproar.
    I now the eu is protesting about the 3 strikes provision ,but i can find nothing about it in the irish media.
    WITH so much work and communication do on the web ,
    the last thing we need is to stifle it,or drown it in draconian laws.
    im not saying piracy is right ,or everythings free, but theres no provision
    for fair use or free speech in acta.
    its purely designed for big corporations to crush individuals or take down websites and diminish the rights we have now as european citizens.
    Just to protect record companys,rights holders etc.
    WHOLE websites have been closed in the usa because of a dmca notice , one example,cos they had a single document which stated microsoft policy on what user information ,eg instant messages, etc what is passed on to outside agencys.THE hosting company recieved a dmca notice ,and switched off the website they were hosting
    ie i,m not talking about a website that has pirated mp3s,or files on it.

    THE ONLY thing protecting us against this is the eu , i dont think any irish politician even knows about this.
    IF THE isps have to spend millions on this monitoring,
    then they will pass this cost onto you the customer.
    THE record companys already have the right to prosecute for music sharing etc so thats not enough ,now they want to monitor the whole internet,and restrict free speech.
    THE dmca stops you from say jail breaking a device in order to say run a certain file format,or play music from a hd to that device .
    IT would be great for an irish mep, to stand up and say, i dont want an us
    corporation making irish law,thru the backdoor of wto.
    we will ask for all ACTA documents to be made public, and negotians to be carried out in public.
    ITS illegal in ireland to sell pirated dvds or cds ,the last thing we need is 100s of dmca regulations which restrict free speech.
    WHY should the usa or korea decide what goes into irish law,
    thats like allowing the pope to set out the laws on contraception for the WHOLE world .
    IF I WAS A TD in the dail would the usa allow me to dictate the way the senate is run or to decide what is the us law on gun control or policital donations.I think its unlikely.

    if the irish economy recovers it will be with the help, of openess, transparency, not thru laws which clamp down on free speech.


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭alwaysadub


    That's way too much heavy reading for me for a Sunday afternoon....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,813 ✭✭✭TPD


    You pick some really odd words to capitalise.

    Rapidshare/similar users are safe enough for the time being aren't they? AFAIK the IP address is only caught from torrent/p2p connections.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Angry about ?
    Before I read it all , what is I,M , so I can get context


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭R0ot


    Lets all move to Iceland!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    Already effectively shot down by the EU parliament, or the secrecy element has been anyway. Once the facts come out there's no way it will pass, since the three strikes law was already barred within the EU. Thread here.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Already discussed before. and has already been implemented in Canada.

    It will get through as it is the weight of the entertainment corporates that are are currently on their knees that are behind it.

    It won't be too long when being caught with unauthorized music on your Ipod will treated the same as having illegal drugs on your possession. :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    So you're basically complaining because you won't be able to download stuff for free any more?

    That's kind of what it sounds like.

    You had a good run, it's time to go out and buy cds and dvds, like the rest of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭FarmerGreen


    If anyones having trouble with rapidshare at the moment , try changing http:/ to https:/ in the link.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Hank_Jones wrote: »
    So you're basically complaining because you won't be able to download stuff for free any more? .
    I can say one thing good for the spate of illegal downloading, it brought the price of legal material down to acceptable levels, for too long these corporates were taking us all for a ride.
    Hank_Jones wrote: »
    You had a good run, it's time to go out and buy Cd's and DVDs, like the rest of us.
    I don't think there is that many buying hard copies any more, I haven't bought a CD in two years. At least when I download from authorised sites I can pick and choose the tracks I want.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭ricman


    NO i,m complaining that we will have the whole bureaucracy of dmca forced on us thru a backdoor ,we have to sign up to the treaty thru wto, in order to trade with other countrys.
    IF the dail wants to pass dmca ,let it be debated and passed in the dail,or eu parliament.
    i dont want AMERICAN CORPORATIONS making irish law.
    I,M HAPPY to buy cds or dvds.
    I AM not in favour of piracy.ACTA ignores fair use ,and weakens safe harbour isp provisions.And hampers free speech.IT is overly strict.
    IT s already illegal to copy cds or music in ireland.
    AND it applys to things like jailbreaking phones ,or whistleblowers posting documents that reveal for example bank fraud.UNDER dmca that would be illegal cos that document is copyrighted by company x,they can secretly tell you to delete it from the website.
    if the isps have to employ load,sa staff to monitor websites or respond to dmca notices then they will put the cost of broadband up for everyone.
    I,M not defending piracy ,im saying the last thing we need in ireland is more
    rules that limit free speech or discourage technical innovation.
    AND this is the type of thing that makes it hard for small companys or startups.
    its a law designed by big corporations.
    IN utah theres a new law that makes it a possible crime/homicide for a woman to have a misscarriage,if she was say drinking,or using hash.
    I DONT think we should start importing us law into ireland,thru wto agreements.
    I AM not saying a record company doesnt have a right to to defend its copyright.I am not defending music piracy.
    IF i buy a cd from a record shop ,i should be able to rip it to my mp3 player without breaking the law.
    if a td says i want to bring in law x from usa ,its publicly debated in the dail.
    ITS open to public comment.ACTA IS being negotiated in secret,the euro meps dont know the full details of it ,they are not party to the negotiations.
    Since more and more business is done over the web it will increase the cost of doing business.
    IS THERE any way a few irish tds could secretly conspire to force the usa to change adopt irish law on something ,thru the wto.Thats very unlikely.
    This is a few big companys trying to force smaller countrys like ireland
    to adopt a stronger version of dmca.
    ITS sinister and anti democratic.
    The only reason they are doing this is they wipo would not pass it because
    it has people from consumer protection groups and small countrys, on the board.
    Because of various laws,like the DMCA in the usa ,i think ireland is a better
    place to live re freedom of speech and consumer rights.

    I DONT want us to lose that because of pressure from the world trade
    organisation.
    WE already have laws in the eu, re dvd or music piracy.
    ITS a serious matter to pass laws which limit free speech or technical ,innovation which applys to everyone,if such laws have to be passed they need to be publicly debated in parliament ,with input from the public and
    organisations like the EFF.
    LOOK at the new law in the uk ,digital economy bill,under that law
    youtube could be closed down or blocked completely by an isp ,because some1 uploaded a few music videos.
    OR it will make it uneconomic for some1 to invent the next youtube,because they,ll have to check each video uploaded .
    IF we allow a few us corporations to make irish law ,well then whats the point of having a dail,or european parliament, we can just rename eire to
    ireland plc,sponsored by ibm.
    I,M means i am .
    IF we are gonna be run by us corporations ,what do we need the dail or senate for?
    Any one can afford to buy cds , i am not defending piracy, i,m defending democracy, fair use and
    openess.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,010 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Are you Jim Corr?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭lcrcboy


    what are you complaining about??? that you wont be able to steal music anymore in fairness :rolleyes:. Good example would you be happy if someone broke ino your home and stole a load of cash or something else expensive like a TV which you worked hard for to be able to affor it. Think about things logically


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭lcrcboy


    ricman wrote: »
    NO i,m complaining that we will have the whole bureaucracy of dmca forced on us thru a backdoor ,we have to sign up to the treaty thru wto, in order to trade with other countrys.
    IF the dail wants to pass dmca ,let it be debated and passed in the dail,or eu parliament.
    i dont want AMERICAN CORPORATIONS making irish law.
    I,M HAPPY to buy cds or dvds.
    I AM not in favour of piracy.ACTA ignores fair use ,and weakens safe harbour isp provisions.And hampers free speech.IT is overly strict.
    IT s already illegal to copy cds or music in ireland.
    AND it applys to things like jailbreaking phones ,or whistleblowers posting documents that reveal for example bank fraud.UNDER dmca that would be illegal cos that document is copyrighted by company x,they can secretly tell you to delete it from the website.
    if the isps have to employ load,sa staff to monitor websites or respond to dmca notices then they will put the cost of broadband up for everyone.
    I,M not defending piracy ,im saying the last thing we need in ireland is more
    rules that limit free speech or discourage technical innovation.
    AND this is the type of thing that makes it hard for small companys or startups.
    its a law designed by big corporations.
    IN utah theres a new law that makes it a possible crime/homicide for a woman to have a misscarriage,if she was say drinking,or using hash.
    I DONT think we should start importing us law into ireland,thru wto agreements.
    I AM not saying a record company doesnt have a right to to defend its copyright.I am not defending music piracy.
    IF i buy a cd from a record shop ,i should be able to rip it to my mp3 player without breaking the law.
    if a td says i want to bring in law x from usa ,its publicly debated in the dail.
    ITS open to public comment.ACTA IS being negotiated in secret,the euro meps dont know the full details of it ,they are not party to the negotiations.
    Since more and more business is done over the web it will increase the cost of doing business.
    IS THERE any way a few irish tds could secretly conspire to force the usa to change adopt irish law on something ,thru the wto.Thats very unlikely.
    This is a few big companys trying to force smaller countrys like ireland
    to adopt a stronger version of dmca.
    ITS sinister and anti democratic.
    The only reason they are doing this is they wipo would not pass it because
    it has people from consumer protection groups and small countrys, on the board.
    Because of various laws,like the DMCA in the usa ,i think ireland is a better
    place to live re freedom of speech and consumer rights.

    I DONT want us to lose that because of pressure from the world trade
    organisation.
    WE already have laws in the eu, re dvd or music piracy.
    ITS a serious matter to pass laws which limit free speech or technical ,innovation which applys to everyone,if such laws have to be passed they need to be publicly debated in parliament ,with input from the public and
    organisations like the EFF.
    LOOK at the new law in the uk ,digital economy bill,under that law
    youtube could be closed down or blocked completely by an isp ,because some1 uploaded a few music videos.
    OR it will make it uneconomic for some1 to invent the next youtube,because they,ll have to check each video uploaded .
    IF we allow a few us corporations to make irish law ,well then whats the point of having a dail,or european parliament, we can just rename eire to
    ireland plc,sponsored by ibm.
    I,M means i am .
    IF we are gonna be run by us corporations ,what do we need the dail or senate for?
    Any one can afford to buy cds , i am not defending piracy, i,m defending democracy, fair use and
    openess.

    I dont think anyone really cares if it gets passed or not its not going to mess with are own lives that much.... unless your downloading illegally


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭Gunnerkid


    Agree with lcrcboy here I dont give a crap I buy my cds:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,813 ✭✭✭TPD


    lcrcboy wrote: »
    what are you complaining about??? that you wont be able to steal music anymore in fairness :rolleyes:. Good example would you be happy if someone broke ino your home and stole a load of cash or something else expensive like a TV which you worked hard for to be able to affor it. Think about things logically

    That's not a logical comparison. If my downloading music illegally meant that someone else, who had paid for it, could no longer listen to it themselves - then it would be a fair comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    This is way to heavy and one major waffle built in. The jist is from what I gather is the op is unhappy with the music industry trying to stop people pirate their music.

    Tuff. Its the law. I buy all my CD's and down load legal music. I also pay for good virus software to protect me.

    Why

    Cause its the law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Takeshi_Kovacs


    This is way to heavy and one major waffle built in. The jist is from what I gather is the op is unhappy with the music industry trying to stop people pirate their music.

    Tuff. Its the law. I buy all my CD's and down load legal music. I also pay for good virus software to protect me.

    Why

    Cause its the law.

    The law, i break it daily.


  • Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tuff. Its the law. I buy all my CD's and down load legal music. I also pay for good virus software to protect me.

    Whats virus software


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    I don't see the problem, I'm not going around stealing from others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭lcrcboy


    TPD wrote: »
    That's not a logical comparison. If my downloading music illegally meant that someone else, who had paid for it, could no longer listen to it themselves - then it would be a fair comparison.

    dont forget though that all the people who download illegally seriously effect these companys and they are losing hard earned money which then eventually at some stage down the line effects their standerds of living, it comes to the point of whats the point in doing all this work if we are hardly going to make anything out of it


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    lcrcboy wrote: »
    what are you complaining about??? that you wont be able to steal music anymore in fairness :rolleyes:. Good example would you be happy if someone broke ino your home and stole a load of cash or something else expensive like a TV which you worked hard for to be able to affor it. Think about things logically

    I agree, after all, you wouldn't shoot a policeman? And then steal his helmet? You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet and then send it to the policeman's grieving widow? And then steal it again! Downloading films is stealing. If you do it, you will face the consequences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Thanks a lot pirating dickheads. Your excuses are full of ****. 99c a song is entirely reasonable and pirating DOES harm the artists as now record companies are squeezing their way into getting a share of the profits from live performances.

    Don't get me wrong, i don't really care that much about people who download music/movies illegally (despite the fact that i don't do it myself). It's the self-righteous twats who go around pretending that what they're doing is somehow morally correct who really piss me off.

    I just hope that the voice of the protest movement doesn't end up being some pro-piracy loons as imo, this would destroy any chance of success.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    On the problems with ACTA:
    Criticism
    Secrecy of negotiations

    The Electronic Frontier Foundation opposes ACTA, calling for more public spotlight on the proposed treaty.[42] Since May 2008 discussion papers and other documents relating to the negotiation of ACTA have been uploaded to Wikileaks,[13] and newspaper reports about the secret negotiations swiftly followed.[8][19][43]

    In June 2008 Canadian academic Michael Geist writing for Copyright News argued that "Government Should Lift Veil on ACTA Secrecy" noting before documents leaked on the internet ACTA was shrouded in secrecy. Coverage of the documents by the Toronto Star "sparked widespread opposition as Canadians worry about the prospect of a trade deal that could lead to invasive searches of personal computers and increased surveillance of online activities." Geist argues that public disclosure of the draft ACTA treaty "might put an end to fears about iPod searching border guards" and that it "could focus attention on other key concerns including greater Internet service provider filtering of content, heightened liability for websites that link to allegedly infringing content, and diminished privacy for Internet users." Geist also argues that greater transparency would lead to a more inclusive process, highlighting that the ACTA negotiations have excluded both civil society groups as well as developing countries. Geist reports that "reports suggest that trade negotiators have been required to sign non-disclosure agreements for fear of word of the treaty's provisions leaking to the public." He argues that there is a need for "cooperation from all stakeholders to battle counterfeiting concerns" and that "an effective strategy requires broader participation and regular mechanisms for feedback".[44]

    In November 2008 the European Commission responded to these allegations as follows:

    "It is alleged that the negotiations are undertaken under a veil of secrecy. This is not correct. For reasons of efficiency, it is only natural that intergovernmental negotiations dealing with issues that have an economic impact, do not take place in public and that negotiators are bound by a certain level of discretion. However, there has never been any intention to hide the fact that negotiations took place, or to conceal the ultimate objectives of the negotiations, the positions taken in European Commission Trade 5/6 the negotiations or even details on when and where these negotiations are taking place. The EU and other partners (US, Japan, Canada, etc.) announced their intention to start negotiations of ACTA on 23 October 2007, in well publicised press releases. Since then we have talked about ACTA on dozens of occasions, including at the European Parliament (INTA committee meetings), and in numerous well attended seminars. Commission organised a stakeholders' consultation meeting on 23 June in Brussels, open to all – industry and citizens and attended by more than 100 participants. US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and other ACTA partners did the same."[1][citation needed]

    In New Zealand InternetNZ is responding to the lack of transparency in negotiations by holding an open public event to critique the known and likely content of ACTA proposals, enable people to connect and discuss the issues, and to develop an agreed statement to deliver to New Zealand Government negotiators and politicians. PublicACTA will be held on Saturday, 10 April 2010, two days ahead of Round 8 of the ACTA negotiations on 12-16 April in Wellington. Michael Geist will be keynote speaker at the event.

    Legal scope

    It has been argued that the main thrust of ACTA is to provide safe harbor for service providers so that they may not hesitate to provide information about infringers; this may be used, for instance, to quickly identify and stop infringers once their identities are confirmed by their providers. Similarly, it provides for criminalization of copyright infringement, granting law enforcement the powers to perform criminal investigation, arrests and pursue criminal citations or prosecution of suspects who may have infringed on copyright. It also allows criminal investigations and invasive searches to be performed against individuals for whom there is no probable cause, and in that regard weakens the presumption of innocence and allows what would in the past have been considered unlawful searches. More pressingly, being an international treaty, it allows for these provisions—usually administered through public legislation and subject to judiciary oversight—to be pushed through via closed negotiations among members of the executive bodies of the signatories, and once it is ratified, using trade incentives and the like to persuade other nations to adopt its terms without much scope for negotiation.[45]

    Privacy

    The Free Software Foundation argues that ACTA will create a culture of surveillance and suspicion.[46] Aaron Shaw argues that "ACTA would create unduly harsh legal standards that do not reflect contemporary principles of democratic government, free market exchange, or civil liberties. Even though the precise terms of ACTA remain undecided, the negotiants' preliminary documents reveal many troubling aspects of the proposed agreement." such as removing "legal safeguards that protect Internet Service Providers from liability for the actions of their subscribers" in effect giving ISPs no option but to comply with privacy invasions. Shaw further says that "[ACTA] would also facilitate privacy violations by trademark and copyright holders against private citizens suspected of infringement activities without any sort of legal due process".[47]

    Practicality

    The Times has quoted an unnamed British research study which found that iPods owned by persons aged 14 to 24 today contain an average of more than 840 tracks downloaded on file-sharing networks, nearly fifty percent of all music possessed by this segment.[48] The same study also found that 95% of individuals falling under this category have copied music in some way.[48] Thus, some critics argue that ACTA directly criminalizes ordinary consumer activity.[49][50][51]

    Threat to free software

    The Free Software Foundation (FSF) has published "Speak out against ACTA", stating that the ACTA threatens free software by creating a culture "in which the freedom that is required to produce free software is seen as dangerous and threatening rather than creative, innovative, and exciting."[46] Specifically the FSF argues that ACTA will make it more difficult and expensive to distribute free software via file sharing and P2P technologies like BitTorrent, which are currently used to distribute large amounts of free software. The FSF also argues that ACTA will make it harder for users of free operating systems to play non-free media because DRM protected media would not be legally playable with free software.[46]
    So basically the primary objection to it is that you could get your internet connection (a vital service in this day and age) cut off on suspicion that you might be sharing pirated materials, on receipt of a complaint from a private company, with no intervention from the courts or legal system. The scope for abuse is clear - if some executive doesn't like you he could conceivably get your internet cut off, with no repercussions. Copyright infingement at this time isn't a criminal activity as far as I am aware, but a civil matter.

    There are also problems with the search and seizure parts of the treaty. Again, you could ge your laptop or computer seized on suspicion of being in possession of material that might infringe some copyright somewhere.

    Before anyone goes jumping on piracy as the main problem, this is part of a wider push by the US to protect its intellectual property from developing nations, as part of its "keep research local but outsource the heavy lifting" policy which is a bad idea in my opinion.

    And once again, the secrecy of the treaty has been shot down by the European Parliament, and since aspects of this treaty violate the three strikes ban within the EU, it has no chance of passing, again in my opinon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,813 ✭✭✭TPD


    lcrcboy wrote: »
    dont forget though that all the people who download illegally seriously effect these companys and they are losing hard earned money which then eventually at some stage down the line effects their standerds of living, it comes to the point of whats the point in doing all this work if we are hardly going to make anything out of it

    The music companies are not needed today. They are just trying to hold on to the ridiculous profits they're used to.

    I'll happily support a band by paying for entry to a gig or buying official merchandise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    TPD wrote: »
    The music companies are not needed today. They are just trying to hold on to the ridiculous profits they're used to.
    Indeed, copyright was originally intended to give a limited monopoly on a creative work to artists so that they could profit from it, before being returned to the public domain for the enjoyment and advantage of wider society and culture (such as the creation of derivative works), I think it was 20 years originally.

    What we have now are the likes of Disney and these record companies pushing for life+70, which means that works being created now will never in our lifetimes enter the public domain, when the copyrights are usually held by the companies themselves rather than the artists, depending on the contract signed. This stymies the growth of culture as well as reinforcing the artificial monopolies of these private for-profit companies.

    Also I think someone mentioned paying for antivirus earlier - you know you can get that perfectly legally and free from companies like Grisoft? Its also worth mentioning that laws which cannot be enforced merely serve to bring the whole body of the law into disrepute.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Music, DVD's, games will always be available to download illegaly, thankfully. 50 euro for a game with 6 hours game play? Yea, that's why people are not buying your crap.

    How can an ISP police your downloads? They cannot if you use the right software, which is perfectly legal. These organisations are as thick as ditch water, unbelievably naive to think they can stop this. The people making cracks, hacks and uploading the music/films/games are a lot smarter than any of the gobshítes trying to make these laws. This tripe is going to cost too much money to implement, too much valuable resourses from police are going to be wasted catching or trying to catch a 14 year old kid that's downloading harry potter. In all fairness, would they ever fcuk off with themselves. Look at the money these arseholes make from their "profession", even now they charge crazy prices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,331 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    TPD wrote: »
    The music companies are not needed today. They are just trying to hold on to the ridiculous profits they're used to.

    I'll happily support a band by paying for entry to a gig or buying official merchandise.

    +1 to infinity. The internet has forever changed the music industry. The quicker people realize this and stop trying to cling on to the older ways of music production the better off they'll be.

    Before the internet these labels were needed to distribute the music. It's just not needed any more.

    Music shouldn't be about making mega money. It should be about making music and sharing it with others. If someone is a true musician they will be flattered that someone listens to and enjoys their music, whether they pay for it or not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    How can an ISP police your downloads? They cannot if you use the right software, which is perfectly legal.
    With this treaty, if you data upload/download habits fit the "profile" of a file sharer they could perfectly legally cut you off and seize your equipment for examination. More than legally since it wouldn't need to involve the courts. Or they could just pick your name out of a phone book. Its not being called draconian for dramatic effect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭rich1874


    lcrcboy wrote: »
    what are you complaining about??? that you wont be able to steal music anymore in fairness :rolleyes:. Good example would you be happy if someone broke ino your home and stole a load of cash or something else expensive like a TV which you worked hard for to be able to affor it. Think about things logically

    Is it logical to pay 25 quid for a new dvd? I doubt it. I'm sorry Bono won't be able to build another story on his tax reduced mansion because of illegal downloading, but it has driven down the prices of hardware copies, which you can only surely laud.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭seanbmc


    lcrcboy wrote: »
    what are you complaining about??? that you wont be able to steal music anymore in fairness :rolleyes:. Good example would you be happy if someone broke ino your home and stole a load of cash or something else expensive like a TV which you worked hard for to be able to affor it. Think about things logically

    That`s a terrible comparison,you think about it logically, +1 to TPD .


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