Northern Ireland valued reg number.

kadman · 11-03-2010 01:25PM #1

I,ve just bought a Northern Ireland registered 1966 VW beetle. It needs a full restoration, that I,ll be starting in a couple of months, and it has a reg number valued at 1000e.

Now question is, how can I sell the reg, prior to re regging it in the south, when it needs an mot first. Can it be done. I,d hate to lose out on the sale of the reg.

I,m thinking the only way is to , restore it first, then mot and tax it in the north, sell the reg, and then re reg in the south. But that will be 12-15 months away.

Can I tax and mot it in the north, if my address is in the south. Would a garda statement/foirm certifying that its been off the road until I mot it, be sufficient for NI authorities.

Any one done anything similar.
Thanks

kadman

corktina · 11-03-2010 05:09PM

Is it on a SORN notice (or pre-SORN perhaps). This may cause you problems.

You will need to MoT it and register it in your name before you can transfer the reg...

Be aware that these reg values are only the opinion of the dealer.They wont pay you that amount, simply try to sell it on your behalf. I would be sceptical of most of these values given.

74merc · 11-03-2010 05:32PM

Out of curiousity, what's the reg? I'd be interested but it's a few years too old for me.

kadman · 11-03-2010 08:51PM

corktina wrote: »

Is it on a SORN notice (or pre-SORN perhaps). This may cause you problems.

You will need to MoT it and register it in your name before you can transfer the reg...

Be aware that these reg values are only the opinion of the dealer.They wont pay you that amount, simply try to sell it on your behalf. I would be sceptical of most of these values given.

I have absolutely no idea with regards to a SORN. I bought the car as a resto, and was given the Northern Ireland log book, original green one. I will be re regging it in the south, when the resto,s done. probably 12 months, all going well.

To me the reg number is worthless, as I,ll be registering here anyway. Its 4798PZ

kadman

rugbyman · 11-03-2010 09:48PM

that is not a high value number ,Kadman, but you have a year or more to advertise it. Give it to an agency and see what they can do, explain it will be a long while coming.

If you are restoring the car to a reasonable standard it will pass the MOT in Newry, cheap tax, some of which you can reclaim afer you sell the number and bobs your uncle.

regards Rugbyman

kadman · 11-03-2010 10:05PM

rugbyman wrote: »

that is not a high value number ,Kadman, but you have a year or more to advertise it. Give it to an agency and see what they can do, explain it will be a long while coming.

If you are restoring the car to a reasonable standard it will pass the MOT in Newry, cheap tax, some of which you can reclaim afer you sell the number and bobs your uncle.

regards Rugbyman

Thanks for that rugbyman.

The reg was valued by an agency, and thats the figure they are quoting me. What forms do I need to register the car in my name in the north, prior to selling it, and re regging here.

kadman

Ballykine43 · 11-03-2010 11:41PM

Hello Kadman

The original Green card taxbooks went out of business quite a few years ago.
The seller should have had one of the new style documents. A3 folded to A4, which came in about six years ago. It has a section he should have used to advise the Northern Authorities he has sold the vehicle. You should also have signed it to register as the new owner.

One section of it should have been passed to you and you could use that to register the vehicle at a Northern Address. SORN doesn't enter into it as the vehicle is exempt from motor tax. However you have to apply annually for this and to register the vehicle

There is also a section he could have used to declare the vehicle permanently exported, which means DVLNI don't want anything more to do with it.

What proof of ownership do you have for the vehicle?

I don't think the number plate has any value other than to someone who has restored a vehicle of similar age and wants to register it with an original Northern Ireland number. You would as suggested earlier have to register the car in the North and get an MOT certificate to enable the transfer, A lot of bother for very little return, and the plate might not sell.

kasper · 11-03-2010 11:49PM

off topic a bit here but i am very surprised no one here has asked for pics ? i mightas well ask ,any pics?

kadman · 12-03-2010 12:09AM

Ballykine43 wrote: »

Hello Kadman

The original Green card taxbooks went out of business quite a few years ago.
The seller should have had one of the new style documents. A3 folded to A4, which came in about six years ago. It has a section he should have used to advise the Northern Authorities he has sold the vehicle. You should also have signed it to register as the new owner.

One section of it should have been passed to you and you could use that to register the vehicle at a Northern Address. SORN doesn't enter into it as the vehicle is exempt from motor tax. However you have to apply annually for this and to register the vehicle

There is also a section he could have used to declare the vehicle permanently exported, which means DVLNI don't want anything more to do with it.

What proof of ownership do you have for the vehicle?

I don't think the number plate has any value other than to someone who has restored a vehicle of similar age and wants to register it with an original Northern Ireland number. You would as suggested earlier have to register the car in the North and get an MOT certificate to enable the transfer, A lot of bother for very little return, and the plate might not sell.

Its the original green tax book . Proof of ownership, owner has given me a bill of sale, taken my money, and given me the log book. The car has been laying in a garage yard for about 12 years in the midlands, and needs a major resto.

Pics, here ya go.

kadman

kasper · 12-03-2010 12:13AM

it looks very solid for a car that was laying in a field for a dozen years the best of luck with it

corktina · 12-03-2010 09:06AM

Interested in the SORN thing...i suppose that must be right that a SORN isnt required if its tax exempt, although as I understand UK/NI regulations, a Tax Disc must be displayed on a car on the road even if it is exempt, so I had assumed a SORN would be required if not on the road.It would be a bit pointless I admit, but you know what these pen pushers are like!

macplaxton · 12-03-2010 02:51PM

SORN has nothing to do with whether or not a car is in the "Historic Vehicle" tax exempt class.

It depends on when it was last taxed. If the vehicle was last taxed BEFORE 31st January 1998, it does not require to be SORN'd.

I have one car that I don't need to SORN as it was last taxed in 1992

(I have changed address on it a few times since and had the V5 replaced with a current V5C, but it has been off the road all that time.)

(It's the last item on the "When SORN isn't needed" list HERE)

Therefore, if a vehicle comes back into circulation and has been issued a disc (free or not) since that date, it will need to be SORN'd if not re-taxed.

corktina · 12-03-2010 06:14PM

even if the tax is free? I guess so then...

macplaxton · 13-03-2010 12:16AM

corktina wrote: »

even if the tax is free? I guess so then...

Even if the tax is free.

I can understand the need to catch tax-evaders, but all the extra paperwork, responsibility and nonsense laws that has been piled onto the average UK motorist in the last 13 years is a PITA and doesn't make any difference to the crooks anyway.

Northern Ireland valued reg number.

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