Imagine launch Midband Ripwave Replacement - WiMAX

MrVestek · 10-03-2010 10:53AM

thebman wrote: »

Emailed them, they said they would open ports for Steam but they are blocking peer to peer and not supporting it.

They openly admitted to it? Ohh how times have changed...

Use rapidshare or the likes ;-)

thebman · 10-03-2010 11:38AM

Achilles wrote: »

They openly admitted to it? Ohh how times have changed...

Use rapidshare or the likes ;-)

I don't use torrents myself so not a problem for me.

Exact email text was "Also be aware we do not support peer to peer filesharing."

I have asked them to open ports for steam and PSN for me though which he seemed happy to do but I'll see what response I get.

MrVestek · 10-03-2010 04:18PM

I wouldn't be asking that around here if I were you.

Rattlehead_ie · 10-03-2010 10:28PM

As the lads said smelly, I would edit your post as it may be seen as you want to do illegal kinda things. As for your comment re p2p support. NO ISP in Ireland (prob the world) will turn around and tells you they "support" p2p.

Remember when you/they say support you're talking about them helping you troubleshoot your p2p connections\setup and make sure it works. Same as most ISP don't "support" linux, its not that Linux won't work with your internet it just means most tech support when you call up wont guide you step by step on making it work for one reason or another.

thebman · 10-03-2010 10:36PM

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

As the lads said smelly, I would edit your post as it may be seen as you want to do illegal kinda things. As for your comment re p2p support. NO ISP in Ireland (prob the world) will turn around and tells you they "support" p2p.

Remember when you/they say support you're talking about them helping you troubleshoot your p2p connections\setup and make sure it works. Same as most ISP don't "support" linux, its not that Linux won't work with your internet it just means most tech support when you call up wont guide you step by step on making it work for one reason or another.

Yes but if they you need them to unblock the ports you'd have to either find or make up services that use the ports you want to use.

MrVestek · 10-03-2010 11:08PM

thebman wrote: »

Yes but if they you need them to unblock the ports you'd have to either find or make up services that use the ports you want to use.

World of Warcraft updates via bittorrent...

thebman · 10-03-2010 11:27PM

Achilles wrote: »

World of Warcraft updates via bittorrent...

I doubt they release updates of 8gigs a day though so if they check data usage at end of month and your well above average and they look into further, fair usage policy will most likely apply.

smelly sock · 11-03-2010 09:51AM

I'm not going to edit any of my posts. Free speech and all that. Not using the service for anything illegal either. But really considering canceling.

Cabaal · 11-03-2010 09:58AM

smelly sock wrote: »

I'm not going to edit any of my posts. Free speech and all that. Not using the service for anything illegal either. But really considering canceling.

boards.ie is not the wild west, if you want to post on this site then you need to follow the rules, they include no warez discussions.

Any further discussions about where to download films from P2P sites earns a ban

smelly sock · 11-03-2010 10:25AM

Ok fair enough. I don't use my service to download anything illegal. I do however use torrents to download open source (open office) linux etc. All perfectly legal. I'll have a look at the t+c's later to see where it states that they can block any traffic on my connection.

bk · 11-03-2010 10:28AM

So lets summarise, Imagine WiMax:

- Has high and inconsistent latency, so not suitable for gaming and other low latency apps.

- Doesn't allow P2P, so pretty useless for most downloading.

So who exactly is this suitable for?

For a person who isn't interested in low latency or downloads (just web, email, facebook, etc.), then surely the cheaper 3G services would be better as they are cheaper and more portable.

It seems to me, that for most people, this product is only suitable if you can't get wired BB or Digiweb Fixed Wireless Metro and want a service slightly better then 3g.

Also I would question the future viability of WiMax, Alcatel Lucent and Cisco are both pulling out of WiMax and everyone seems to be going LTE.

11-03-2010 10:34AM

bk wrote: »

So lets summarise, Imagine WiMax:

- Has high and inconsistent latency, so not suitable for gaming and other low latency apps.

- Doesn't allow P2P, so pretty useless for most downloading.

So who exactly is this suitable for?

For a person who isn't interested in low latency or downloads (just web, email, facebook, etc.), then surely the cheaper 3G services would be better as they are cheaper and more portable.

It seems to me, that for most people, this product is only suitable if you can't get wired BB or Digiweb Fixed Wireless Metro and want a service slightly better then 3g.

Also I would question the future viability of WiMax, Alcatel Lucent and Cisco are both pulling out of WiMax and everyone seems to be going LTE.

Long Term Evolution was always going to be the winner since the 3g market is well established in comparison to the fledgling operation that wimax is with the US and russia being the only exceptions and quite a few of the mobile 3g networks globally are already hardware prepared for the first release of LTE - all they need is a software update.

smelly sock · 11-03-2010 10:35AM

bk wrote: »

So lets summarise, Imagine WiMax:

- Has high and inconsistent latency, so not suitable for gaming and other low latency apps.

- Doesn't allow P2P, so pretty useless for most downloading.

So who exactly is this suitable for?

For a person who isn't interested in low latency or downloads (just web, email, facebook, etc.), then surely the cheaper 3G services would be better as they are cheaper and more portable.

It seems to me, that for most people, this product is only suitable if you can't get wired BB or Digiweb Fixed Wireless Metro and want a service slightly better then 3g.

Also I would question the future viability of WiMax, Alcatel Lucent and Cisco are both pulling out of WiMax and everyone seems to be going LTE.

Spot on. I was allowed to use P2P connections to download open source software during the cooling off period and then it was blocked the minute the cooling off period ran out. In my opinion that was sly and unprofessional on their part.

Marlow · 11-03-2010 11:18AM

warlikedave wrote: »

quite a few of the mobile 3g networks globally are already hardware prepared for the first release of LTE - all they need is a software update.

Yes and no. The 3G networks are ready for LTE, but you'll see a few other problems:

- LTE was meant to be in the spectrum that is used for MMDS in Ireland, so that's not going to happen
- LTE is data only, no voice, so if the 3G operators switch to LTE and have no GSM/GSM1800 spectrum, they loose all voice services, as they will have to use their 3G allocation for providing LTE and LTE and 3G can't co-exist on the same channel.
- LTE (100 mbit/s) is anticipating 20 MHz wide channels. In Ireland we only have 5 MHz wide allocations, so the max we'll see is around 30 mbit/s and that's only just about a tad higher than what fixed wireless/fixed wimax providers already have per sector.

So no. I don't see LTE being implemented any time soon in Ireland.

/M

Sponge Bob · 11-03-2010 11:36AM

Marlow wrote: »

Yes and no. The 3G networks are ready for LTE, but you'll see a few other problems:

- LTE was meant to be in the spectrum that is used for MMDS in Ireland, so that's not going to happen

Not before 2014 when the MMDS licences run out.

- LTE is data only, no voice, so if the 3G operators switch to LTE and have no GSM/GSM1800 spectrum, they loose all voice services, as they will have to use their 3G allocation for providing LTE and LTE and 3G can't co-exist on the same channel.

They can co exist in the 900mhz area and Comreg will refarm that spectrum by 2011 or 2012.

- LTE (100 mbit/s) is anticipating 20 MHz wide channels. In Ireland we only have 5 MHz wide allocations, so the max we'll see is around 30 mbit/s and that's only just about a tad higher than what fixed wireless/fixed wimax providers already have per sector.

And of course frequency re use is difficult at 900mhz compared to 2100 mhz because it carries ( interferes) further.

So no. I don't see LTE being implemented any time soon in Ireland.

I see it being implemented and I see the marketing BS but I don't see much of a benefit over EDGE tbh

In tests in the US it only delivered 5mbits ish and the odd burst to 12 on an pretty much empty network

Verizon Wireless reports average speed of 5-12 Mbps on LTE
Verizon Wireless has achieved peak download speeds of 40-50Mbps on its trial LTE networks in Boston and Seattle. Upload speeds have reached as much as 20-25Mbps, the US operator said.

Verizon has been testing LTE since August 2009 and aims to launch the service to 25-30 markets with around 100 million potential users by the end of this year. Successful data calls so far involved streaming video, file uploads and downloads and web browsing, as well as VoIP calls. Verizon

Wireless engineers report LTE average data rates of 5-12 Mbps on the downlink and 2-5 Mbps on the uplink in real-world environments. The operator uses the 700MHz band for the new services.

Using 5mhz channels I believe, just like Comreg will impose on the 900mhz refarm.

11-03-2010 12:03PM

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Not before 2014 when the MMDS licences run out.

They can co exist in the 900mhz area and Comreg will refarm that spectrum by 2011 or 2012.

And of course frequency re use is difficult at 900mhz compared to 2100 mhz because it carries ( interferes) further.

I see it being implemented and I see the marketing BS but I don't see much of a benefit over EDGE tbh

In tests in the US it only delivered 5mbits ish and the odd burst to 12 on an pretty much empty network

Using 5mhz channels I believe, just like Comreg will impose on the 900mhz refarm.

Is MMDS - Multi Media Digital Services? If so - wouldnt have comreg already allowed for the posibility that LTE would be active before 2014 and also be most effective on this particular spectrum?

well as long as it provides a far greater quality of service than what we people who rely on the NBS for braodband I will be happy - speed isnt my greatest concern - im a user that relys heavily on decent latency and decent speeds. id gladly have a 30mg connection with a 40ms ping in comparison to a 100mg lconnection with a 100 plus ping - I hope at least that comreg will allocate the proper amount of the best frequency spectrum for LTE...I was hoping wimax would fill that void for us in communications blackspots but it does not look promising.

Cheers for the info - i wasnt sure that the spec data had being released for the possible LTE liciencing distribution (or will it be just an add on to the current 3g liciences that are already in place?) - altho I have heard that 3 want to implement LTE first in 2012

Marlow · 11-03-2010 12:09PM

warlikedave wrote: »

im a user that relys heavily on decent latency and decent speeds. id gladly have a 30mg connection with a 40ms ping in comparison to a 100mg lconnection with a 100 plus ping - I hope at least that comreg will allocate the proper amount of the best frequency spectrum for LTE...I was hoping wimax would fill that void for us in communications blackspots but it does not look promising.

You should go for a fixed type product then. With a mobile product you will NEVER get consistant low latency as your device doesn't have the power to send data back and you constantly meet new obstructions around you, that will change the way your signal is send. It's the law of physics, that can't be beaten.

LTE will not offer a fixed type installation.

/M

11-03-2010 12:10PM

Marlow wrote: »

You should go for a fixed type product then. With a mobile product you will NEVER get consistant low latency as your device doesn't have the power to send data back and you constantly meet new obstructions around you, that will change the way your signal is send. It's the law of physics, that can't be beaten.

LTE will not offer a fixed type installation.

/M

Cant im in the NBS so ive no other service providers to pick from :P that why I was hoping wimax would at least answer that problem

Marlow · 11-03-2010 12:13PM

warlikedave wrote: »

Cant im in the NBS so ive no other service providers :P that why I was hoping wimax would at least answer that problem

Fixed WiMAX, even Fixed Wireless would given proper Line of Sight. Your issue is just, that no provider is in your area. I don't think, that cellphone operators moving to LTE will bring latency anywhere to where you want it to be.

Their business model is not quality, but quantity.

/M

11-03-2010 12:15PM

Marlow wrote: »

Fixed WiMAX, even Fixed Wireless would given proper Line of Sight. Your issue is just, that no provider is in your area. I don't think, that cellphone operators moving to LTE will bring latency anywhere to where you want it to be.

Their business model is not quality, but quantity.

/M

Aye - agreed - It was just in hope rather than in optimism that I thought it might but still....its a shame that the irish governemt did not go with the finnish model of making internet a citizens right and then having every household hooked up to 3-8mb broadband proper :P

Now thats optimism for ya :P

Wcool · 11-03-2010 01:22PM

Not before 2014 when the MMDS licences run out.

Slightly off topic but: any idea what will happen to the TV service? I think I am on MMDS. Are we supposed to all get a digital antenna + decoder or something? and which frequency is that?

11-03-2010 01:58PM

Wcool wrote: »

Slightly off topic but: any idea what will happen to the TV service? I think I am on MMDS. Are we supposed to all get a digital antenna + decoder or something? and which frequency is that?

Well all i know is that when the analogue is switched off - the new digital channels will take up far less of the spectrum leaving room for far more channels and other wireless multi media services - comreg and the broadcasting reg have to allocate this new available spectrum - some is dedicated and kept of new terrestrail digitial tv services and some of it will be then used for auctioned off if it hasnt already.

as for equipment - it will be the exact sme as in the uk with one exception. Both need a set top box and a degital arerial (indoor should do) Irish digital channels will probably broadcast on a MPEG4 format while the ones in the uk are currently on MPEG2 so getting a box from england when Irish DTT comes online might not work..all these details are to be finalised but when i was working in vincents hospital - I tested out a digital tv tuner card on my laptop and it worked a charm when the trial was running - as good as satillite with all the features (that arent copyrighted by sky :P)

It all depends but if it is all allocated correctly it could be benificial in alot of areas but as stated above by others - it looks like that they have made a right balls of the allocation process - typical of ireland

smelly sock · 11-03-2010 08:06PM

torrents ok tonight. strange

thebman · 11-03-2010 09:03PM

Steam was fine for me until about 10 minutes ago now can't connect again

PogMoThoin · 11-03-2010 09:27PM

warlikedave wrote: »

Well all i know is that when the analogue is switched off - the new digital channels will take up far less of the spectrum leaving room for far more channels and other wireless multi media services - comreg and the broadcasting reg have to allocate this new available spectrum - some is dedicated and kept of new terrestrail digitial tv services and some of it will be then used for auctioned off if it hasnt already.

as for equipment - it will be the exact sme as in the uk with one exception. Both need a set top box and a degital arerial (indoor should do) Irish digital channels will probably broadcast on a MPEG4 format while the ones in the uk are currently on MPEG2 so getting a box from england when Irish DTT comes online might not work..all these details are to be finalised but when i was working in vincents hospital - I tested out a digital tv tuner card on my laptop and it worked a charm when the trial was running - as good as satillite with all the features (that arent copyrighted by sky :P)

FYI, DTT in Ireland has been running since last yr, although its still in testing. I'm recieving it from Cairns Hill for ages. The quality is absolutely miles ahead of analogue or satellite.
http://www.mpeg4ireland.com/audio-video-quality

smelly sock · 12-03-2010 10:07AM

PogMoThoin wrote: »

FYI, DTT in Ireland has been running since last yr, although its still in testing. I'm recieving it from Cairns Hill for ages. The quality is absolutely miles ahead of analogue or satellite.
http://www.mpeg4ireland.com/audio-video-quality

Was able to download last night.Getting speeds of 250 kbps on torrent. Bad torrent as well. Got a mail off their support telling me that it states in their t&c's that they do not support file sharing or P2P. Me thinks that them may be just covering their backsides. I can't see it specifically in the t&c's stating this.

smelly sock · 12-03-2010 11:48AM

I have asked them why they do not support P2P connections or file sharing as they are perfectly legal. Their basically sencsoring the web.

cailin_bheag · 12-03-2010 01:44PM

Not sure if i'm hijacking the wrong thread......

I'm from Wexford and i got it in last month, i only got the broadband and its been running great, have no probs with the ps3 either, didn't have a single problem until i received my bill yesterday......:mad:

I ordered the internal box and they rang me saying they couldnt get a great signal from the location of my house(even tho they never checked my exact area) so would i mind getting the outdoor box placed up on my wall, it looks like an alarm so i had no problems......the had said installation was €50 which was fair enough,which i verbally agreed to, but got my bill and now they're trying to charge me €150(for the outdoor box) on top of the original €50,so they are trying to charge me €230 instead of the oringinal agreed €80 for my first bill! Of course i rang them and told them it was false advertising and the likes and said they won't be getting the €150 from me, their reply, "we'll get back to you!" No wonder they wanted me to get the outdoor box.....

And it's not a once off case, both my sisters and 2 friends all changed over and they've tried to charge them too, bills are due to come out next wk, so i'll let u know if they resolve it!

Great broadband, useless sales and customers service team

smelly sock · 12-03-2010 02:29PM

cailin_bheag wrote: »

Not sure if i'm hijacking the wrong thread......

I'm from Wexford and i got it in last month, i only got the broadband and its been running great, have no probs with the ps3 either, didn't have a single problem until i received my bill yesterday......:mad:

I ordered the internal box and they rang me saying they couldnt get a great signal from the location of my house(even tho they never checked my exact area) so would i mind getting the outdoor box placed up on my wall, it looks like an alarm so i had no problems......the had said installation was €50 which was fair enough,which i verbally agreed to, but got my bill and now they're trying to charge me €150(for the outdoor box) on top of the original €50,so they are trying to charge me €230 instead of the oringinal agreed €80 for my first bill! Of course i rang them and told them it was false advertising and the likes and said they won't be getting the €150 from me, their reply, "we'll get back to you!" No wonder they wanted me to get the outdoor box.....

And it's not a once off case, both my sisters and 2 friends all changed over and they've tried to charge them too, bills are due to come out next wk, so i'll let u know if they resolve it!

Great broadband, useless sales and customers service team

Sounds right tbh. My bill is the same. they did tell me there would be a 150 fee for outdoor installation.

Crap internet.

Kashkai · 12-03-2010 09:50PM

What do you mean by "crap internet"? Is it poor download speed? The wimax antennae in my area is approx 100 metres across the road so signal won't be a problem for me IF I decide to sign up. Anyways, I couldn't see it being any worse than the absolutely crap "3MB" broadband (34kb per second speed at best!) I have from Perlico/Vodafone, not to mention their even worse customer service.

Imagine launch Midband Ripwave Replacement - WiMAX

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