Girl Killed in Wii remote Mix Up

stripysocks85 · 09-03-2010 08:06PM

Lil Kitten wrote: »

Hmm if only they'd put ratings on video games so that parents would know what they're subjecting their kids to. Oh right, they DO! You wouldn't take a 3 year old to see an 18s in the cinema, so don't let them play an 18s game.

It's the idiots that are responsible, not the games.

I agree. I was making my point in reference to others who would deem computer games etc to have no influence. i.e. it is okay for kids to play such games, which obviously isn't true, but I don't believe the fact the kid 'thought' it was a Wii remote makes any difference. It is the fault of the step father leaving such a thing around.

MementoMori · 09-03-2010 08:08PM

mikom wrote: »

That sounds so dodge.

Yeah when you read it back it does:)

Substitute minding for extensive dealings.

o1s1n · 09-03-2010 08:12PM

Damn noobs and their friendly fire

amacachi · 09-03-2010 08:13PM

stripysocks85 wrote: »

I agree. I was making my point in reference to others who would deem computer games etc to have no influence. i.e. it is okay for kids to play such games, which obviously isn't true, but I don't believe the fact the kid 'thought' it was a Wii remote makes any difference. It is the fault of the step father leaving such a thing around.

30 years ago in a similar situation a child might think it was a toy gun that he/she'd been playing cowboys and indians or cops and robbers with.

Can I also just ask what Wii game involves shooting oneself? Or is it just someone clutching at straws?

o1s1n · 09-03-2010 08:18PM

amacachi wrote: »

Can I also just ask what Wii game involves shooting oneself? Or is it just someone clutching at straws?

The new Wii Sports Suicide edition.

One mini game involves standing precariously on the edge of the Wii fit board while a negotiator attempts to stop you jumping off.

...

Vidjogames are evil! Evil!

Catari Jaguar · 09-03-2010 08:24PM

Omg, O1s1n, so so wrong and hilarious

Sleepy · 09-03-2010 08:38PM

It upsets me that someone could be so retardedly fvcking stupid and the victim is an innocent 3 year old instead of themselves.

Overheal · 09-03-2010 08:41PM

MementoMori wrote: »

Have very little in the way of sympathy for the parents, given the fact that if you bring a gun into a house you have to be aware that no matter how careful you are, there is always a chance of someone getting shot with it.

I have sympathy.

The guy had the gun out because he thought - according to the article - there was a Prowler around. So anyone saying it should have been locked: technically, the gun was Active in that it wasnt just lying around for 3 weeks hoping someone would shoot themselves in the face. It was being used for a legitimate purpose (not legitmate in Ireland, but we need not go there)

I mean obviously the guy will never be able to live down his negligence: He should not have put the gun down even after the Threat/reason he pulled it out for was gone: Lock it up or keep it on your person. Especially with a tot.

Its a horrible tragedy but not one that carries nearly as much condemnation as many here seem to want to place on the guy. It does go further in displaying just how vigilant owners need to be with their guns.

I think though, if you want to own a gun (and thats your own thing, and we dont need another endless debate about that) you should as a responsible parent show the gun to your kids and say "____, you are not to ever touch this. It can kill you, Its Very Very bad, etc. etc." And then store it somewhere unknown to the kid all the same. But just so in that one in a million chance that the kid encounters the gun they know not to pick it up and to get away from it and find a grownup [a grownup being an adult, not some other kid who may be older than you, but still too risky]

citizen_p · 09-03-2010 08:46PM

ffs....
1 loaded gun on a table with a kid, bad idea

thats the only thing....ffs now theyll ban that controller for some stupid reason....

its all fun and games until somone goes on a rampage or kills themselves and ruins it for the rest of us.

and in most other storys with banning game violence....the guys didnt play it alot....like saying omg this guy has seen a war movie...maybe thats why he did this

amacachi · 09-03-2010 08:47PM

Overheal wrote: »

I have sympathy.

The guy had the gun out because he thought - according to the article - there was a Prowler around. So anyone saying it should have been locked: technically, the gun was Active in that it wasnt just lying around for 3 weeks hoping someone would shoot themselves in the face. It was being used for a legitimate purpose (not legitmate in Ireland, but we need not go there)

I mean obviously the guy will never be able to live down his negligence: He should not have put the gun down even after the Threat/reason he pulled it out for was gone: Lock it up or keep it on your person. Especially with a tot.

Its a horrible tragedy but not one that carries nearly as much condemnation as many here seem to want to place on the guy. It does go further in displaying just how vigilant owners need to be with their guns.

I think though, if you want to own a gun (and thats your own thing, and we dont need another endless debate about that) you should as a responsible parent show the gun to your kids and say "____, you are not to ever touch this. It can kill you, Its Very Very bad, etc. etc." And then store it somewhere unknown to the kid all the same. But just so in that one in a million chance that the kid encounters the gun they know not to pick it up and to get away from it and find a grownup [a grownup being an adult, not some other kid who may be older than you, but still too risky]

Of for ****sake, I have no problem with America's liberal gun laws but this guy is ****ing retarded.

Columbia · 09-03-2010 08:48PM

stripysocks85 wrote: »

I disagree, particularly if you're attempting to make a jibe at my comment.

Computer games, particularly violent ones, can be very influential on a young child. I know this for a fact.

Young children are like sponges and do not have an immediate knowledge of what is wrong or right. Therefore, they look at what is around them and what other people do - this is how they learn.

If they see somebody fighting, shooting etc are they to blame when they grow up with such an attitude towards violence?

In a different example, children to grow up with certain phrases, ways of doing things, likes/dislikes in music according to their social surroundings in their home. It makes sense to conclude that it is similar with the case of violence.

You know when the game of chess first came to Europe, there was absolute uproar amongst religious circles over how it would currupt the youth, since it directly represented war, violence and murder.

What happened? Nothing, and people got used to the game and enjoyed it for what it is, and these days chess is regarded by most as an extremely tame pastime. Video games are the 20th and 21st Century equivalent, even if you refuse to believe so.

MementoMori · 09-03-2010 08:50PM

Overheal wrote: »

Its a horrible tragedy but not one that carries nearly as much condemnation as many here seem to want to place on the guy.

I think though, if you want to own a gun (and thats your own thing, and we dont need another endless debate about that) you should as a responsible parent show the gun to your kids and say "____, you are not to ever touch this. It can kill you, Its Very Very bad, etc. etc." And then store it somewhere unknown to the kid all the same. But just so in that one in a million chance that the kid encounters the gun they know not to pick it up and to get away from it and find a grownup.

Have you much experience with three year olds as you seem to think that educating them about the dangers of guns could possibly have made a difference in this case?

My view is that if the stepfather hadn't brought the gun into the house, an innocent three year old would be alive today. Hard to have much in the sympathy in a case like this.

o1s1n · 09-03-2010 08:51PM

Mousey- wrote: »

ffs....
1 loaded gun on a table with a kid, bad idea

thats the only thing....ffs now theyll ban that controller for some stupid reason....

I always find that hilarious/mind boggling. 'Lets not ban the thing that killed but the thing that looks like the thing that killed'

Mousey- wrote: »

and in most other storys with banning game violence....the guys didnt play it alot....like saying omg this guy has seen a war movie...maybe thats why he did this

Always reminds me of this Simpsons quote -

Meyers: I did a little research and I discovered a startling thing...
There was violence in the past, long before cartoons were invented.

Kent: I see. Fascinating.

Meyers: Yeah, and know something, Karl? The Crusades, for instance.
Tremendous violence, many people killed, the darned thing went
on for thirty years.

Kent: And this was before cartoons were invented?

Meyers: That's right, Kent.

bonzodog2 · 09-03-2010 09:00PM

If the stepfather is any kind of decent human, the guilt will f**k him up more than any court proceedings could ever do.

Overheal · 09-03-2010 09:10PM

MementoMori wrote: »

Have you much experience with three year olds as you seem to think that educating them about the dangers of guns could possibly have made a difference in this case?

My view is that if the stepfather hadn't brought the gun into the house, an innocent three year old would be alive today. Hard to have much in the sympathy in a case like this.

Thats your problem, and your view on gun laws.

Would we be saying the same thing if a prowler did break in and try to attack the family?

The gun was in the house: just eat the fact and get over that little hurdle. After that all you have is the luxury of Hindsight.

amacachi · 09-03-2010 09:23PM

Overheal wrote: »

Thats your problem, and your view on gun laws.

Would we be saying the same thing if a prowler did break in and try to attack the family?

The gun was in the house: just eat the fact and get over that little hurdle. After that all you have is the luxury of Hindsight.

OK everyone, eat the fact, let's move on, nothing to talk about.

Coriolanus · 09-03-2010 09:48PM

Never mind the guild fucking the guy up, hopefully the girls biological father gets to be alone in room with just him and a baseball bat.

opinion guy · 09-03-2010 09:55PM

Overheal wrote: »

I have sympathy.

The guy had the gun out because he thought - according to the article - there was a Prowler around. So anyone saying it should have been locked: technically, the gun was Active in that it wasnt just lying around for 3 weeks hoping someone would shoot themselves in the face. It was being used for a legitimate purpose (not legitmate in Ireland, but we need not go there)

Absolutely NO EXCUSE. You do not leave a loaded weapon down on a table for anyone to pick up, especially not a child.

I think though, if you want to own a gun (and thats your own thing, and we dont need another endless debate about that) you should as a responsible parent show the gun to your kids and say "____, you are not to ever touch this. It can kill you, Its Very Very bad, etc. etc." And then store it somewhere unknown to the kid all the same. But just so in that one in a million chance that the kid encounters the gun they know not to pick it up and to get away from it and find a grownup [a grownup being an adult, not some other kid who may be older than you, but still too risky]

This is ridiculous. A three year old is YEARS away from having a concept of death for one thing. Quite apart from that really how do you expect a three year old from grasping and following all this, assuming you have an obedient three year old ?

Sheeps · 09-03-2010 10:02PM

BAN VIEDO GAMES

Giselle · 09-03-2010 10:18PM

Its much more likely that the three year old never played a violent game at all, but watched her stepfather or older siblings play.

Just because she picked up a gun doesn't mean she was playing Call Of Duty or Biohazard (those are Wii games, right?).

And telling a 3 year old to NEVER touch something, instantly makes it 65million times more attractive to them and 345million times more likely to touch it at the first opportunity.

I may have those stats slightly wrong, but most people who've met a 3 year old will get what I'm saying.

MementoMori · 09-03-2010 10:19PM

Overheal wrote: »

Would we be saying the same thing if a prowler did break in and try to attack the family?

The gun was in the house: just eat the fact and get over that little hurdle. After that all you have is the luxury of Hindsight.

In the hypothetically unlikely case that a prowler did actually break into an occupied house, and the three year old ended up dead through a combination of the stepfather's gun and his carelessness/stupidity, I think people would be saying pretty much the same thing.

I love the fact that you are trying to downplay the dangers of having a gun in the house by telling me to get over it and calling it a little hurdle.

Having a gun in a house is significantly more dangerous than not having a gun in a house.

Giselle · 09-03-2010 10:32PM

MementoMori wrote: »

Having a gun in a house is significantly more dangerous than not having a gun in a house.

It really is that simple.

Browney7 · 09-03-2010 10:35PM

And the Darwin award goes to......

Ridley · 09-03-2010 10:39PM

Sleepy wrote: »

It upsets me that someone could be so retardedly fvcking stupid and the victim is an innocent 3 year old instead of themselves.

Yeah! He should have accidentally shot himself while investigating a noise! Rabble! Rabble! Rabble!

Overheal · 09-03-2010 11:19PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Absolutely NO EXCUSE. You do not leave a loaded weapon down on a table for anyone to pick up, especially not a child.

Okay.. just yell at me, and quote a paragraph while ignoring the very next thing I say where I convey (surprise) very much the same thing:

I mean obviously the guy will never be able to live down his negligence: He should not have put the gun down even after the Threat/reason he pulled it out for was gone: Lock it up or keep it on your person. Especially with a tot.

Use your indoor rage.

This is ridiculous. A three year old is YEARS away from having a concept of death for one thing. Quite apart from that really how do you expect a three year old from grasping and following all this, assuming you have an obedient three year old ?

Thats like saying a 3 year old is years away from Walking, tbh. They can be taught.

opinion guy · 10-03-2010 12:03AM

Overheal wrote: »

Okay.. just yell at me, and quote a paragraph while ignoring the very next thing I say where I convey (surprise) very much the same thing:

I mean obviously the guy will never be able to live down his negligence: He should not have put the gun down even after the Threat/reason he pulled it out for was gone: Lock it up or keep it on your person. Especially with a tot.

Use your indoor rage.

Sorry but your double-speak attempt to hide the fact that you are makign excuses for this guy just doesn't cut it for me. you either think his action was excusable or it wasn't. you can't have both.

Really, seriosuly you are coming on here trying to defend the guy who;s outrageous carelessness killed his child. C'mon, get real would you.

Thats like saying a 3 year old is years away from Walking, tbh. They can be taught.

You've never met a 3 year old have you ? 10 to 1 on if you put something on a table and tell a three year old not to touch it, 5 minutes later as soon as your back is turned they are trying to eat it

fizzynicenice · 10-03-2010 12:04AM

That thing is pretty realistic looking. I can kinda see how she did it.

Still though. Don't leave it there

Giselle · 10-03-2010 12:09AM

Overheal wrote: »

Thats like saying a 3 year old is years away from Walking, tbh. They can be taught.

Well no. Death is a complicated concept involving some understanding of the concept of forever, or eternity.

Walking is one foot in front of the other.

10-03-2010 12:10AM

Freak accident.. I could easily be drunk and pick up the real gun between games and think it's a wireless remote. Simple reason being that in my head, I'd be thinking "why would anyone leave a loaded gun in the room".

Just thinking how horrible them few minutes must have been between the gunshot and the ambulance.. The realization of what just happened.

hitlersson666 · 10-03-2010 12:15AM

Dunjohn wrote: »

Yes, very sad accident, and anybody who tries to blame this on violent computer games (and somebody will) is an ass.

by that im sure you meant

Dunjohn wrote: »

Yes, very sad accident, and anybody who tries to blame this on violent computer games (and somebody Wii) is an ass.

Girl Killed in Wii remote Mix Up

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