Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Mitch Connor · 08-03-2010 12:32PM

The Muppet wrote: »

Yada Yada Yada.

Who Gives a **** , the manager getting the support and funds he needs is all fans should be concerned about, once that continues to happen most supporters will be happy.

Do you honestly think that people purchases buisness's worth Billions out of personal wealth, How naive!

It's more likely to be Ronaldo money, you know the money your lot say the Glazers bled from the club, I hope it happens, I look forward to having something to talk about if it does.

look, if you are going to go "Yada yada" to my replies, don't bother your whole replying.

It is clear you don't care about the club itself, just that you have some success to cheer so I couldn't be arsed trying to have an actual discussion on the future of the club with you.

Mitch Connor · 08-03-2010 12:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

To be honest I can't see how there can be any doubt that the cash is not there.

Few reasons.

As much as people like to think that the Glazers are the spawn of satan, they arn't. They are incredibly intelligent businessmen who arn't naive enough to think that Brand United will prosper without signing good players.

If all the reports are true, the Yanks can earn a fortune from the takeover of the Red Knights, if they decline it proves to me anyways they are in it for the long run.

Fergie has said on numerous occasions that he has money.

Fergie tried to buy Benzema, enquired about Ribery and offered 20 million for Tevez and a massive contract.

In the past 6 months we have signed Owen, Valencia, Obertan, Smalling and a few other young fellas, - thats 30 million at a conservative estimate there.

People seem to jump to conclusions because we havn't splashed 40 million on the next "big thing", therefore we are potless. Where the truth is Madrid ruined the market, United have never spent more than 31 million on a player and in the current economic climate that shouldn't be broken for a few years to come.

Then there is the arguement that the quality of the player simply isn't out there.

I have a sneaky feeling there will be a double swoop for the 2 up and coming French stars and maybe a cheeky bid for Carlton Cole.

To be honest at the right prices, I would be happy enough with that for the summer spending.

Cole has his injury problems. Hargreaves Part 2?

Gourcuff is extremely right footed, can he play on the left?

Lloris looks like a very exciting prospect.

I don't know if they will be success or failures.

What I do know though is Fergie most defiantely has a short list and this summer is a far better time to pursue them than last.

This summer will be no different imo, in terms of the transfer market.

City will still be throwing cash around.

Barcelona will be driving up the price of everyone cause of their presidential elections.

The World Cup will see any player who has a half decent tournament be hailed as a world great and their value will at least double.

EDIT:

And yeah, i do think money will be made available for transfers, but I think it will be further loans and further debt on the club. I don't think the club has the cash available that it should do based on turnover as it has been used to pay off the debt and give the Glazers interest free loans along with their consultancy fees.

niallk · 08-03-2010 12:45PM

The Muppet wrote: »

Yada Yada Yada.

Who Gives a **** , the manager getting the support and funds he needs is all fans should be concerned about, once that continues to happen most supporters will be happy.

Do you honestly think that people purchase buisness's worth Billions out of personal wealth? How naive!

It's more likely to be Ronaldo money, you know the money your lot say the Glazers bled from the club, I hope it happens, I look forward to having something to talk about if it does.

Who gives a ****, the manager is getting.... Great attitude if only people like you ran our economy for the last couple of decades, oh wait!

How hard is it for you to understand that United are operating at a loss due to the interest servicing and can only make a profit by selling top players?

No one expects anyone to come in and fund United with their "personal wealth". United is an extremely profitable business, when debt-free. The Red Knights main promise is to clear the debt and that is all the fans care about: the stability of the club.

Boggles · 08-03-2010 12:46PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

This summer will be no different imo, in terms of the transfer market.

City will still be throwing cash around.

Barcelona will be driving up the price of everyone cause of their presidential elections.

The World Cup will see any player who has a half decent tournament be hailed as a world great and their value will at least double.

City will attract the mercanaries and journey men.

Barca have always been "responsible" in the transfer market. They will be nothing like Madrid throwing around 80 and 70 million.

Lots of good players not going to the world cup in fairness, transfer windows opens before tournament anyways AFAIK.

Boggles · 08-03-2010 12:49PM

niallk wrote: »

The Red Knights main promise is to clear the debt and that is all the fans care about: the stability of the club.

To be fair, you have no idea what the Red Knights intentions for the club are.

I like to think they are die hard fans and are all doing it for complete noble reasons, but in that world there is Fairies and trees made of chocolate.

All business men see United the same way, a huge global brand with the ability to make lots of money.

The Muppet · 08-03-2010 12:50PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

look, if you are going to go "Yada yada" to my replies, don't bother your whole replying.

It is clear you don't care about the club itself, just that you have some success to cheer so I couldn't be arsed trying to have an actual discussion on the future of the club with you.

I'll reply to what I want, you can do likewise. You may have noticed I tend to reply in kind, apparently we do have something to talk about.

Is it clear? that's great. use whatever sound bite you want to dismiss others valid opinions, the naysayers have to be right, what'll ye have to moan about if not.

Thats right I'm a glory hunter, one that has been supporting since 1972, there was **** all glory for about twenty of those years particulaly in the second division. What a joke of a comment.

PHB · 08-03-2010 12:53PM

he knows that the Debt is manageable and is not a major issue in business terms.

This statement, is quite frankly a load of complete ****.

If United are so FCuked tell me why are these business men queing up to pay double what the Glazers paid for the Club? The problem with teh anti glazer brigade is that they haven't a clue about the true Value of Mancheter United and it's perepensity to created revenue into the future.

http://andersred.blogspot.com/

In case you're not aware, andersred, Andy Green, is part of this anti-Glazer brigade. He is a fund manager in MayFair. He runs a hedge fund. He has been on or referenced in Sky News, BBC, the Guardian and the Financial Times.

Considering you think that the anti-Glazer bridage don't know anything, your financial qualifications are?

Who Gives a **** , the manager getting the support and funds he needs is all fans should be concerned about, once that continues to happen most supporters will be happy.

Leeds. Why don't you read about them?

once it doesn't impeach on the pitch or reputation of the club

It has impacted on the pitch, anyone who doesnt realise that is quite frankly, stupid. Our success has been in spite of them, not because of it.

And even if it didn't, its not about the team, or the owners, its about the bloody club. About everything to do with the club, including fans, including kids in Stretford who haven't a hope of seeing a United game anymore, youth team players who despite playing in the League Cup were asked to pay for tickets to the final, including season ticket holders who are no longer guaranteed a ticket for a final because executive members can outbid them, including, including, including.

It's not just an ordinary business. It's a massive part of peoples lives. Manchester United Football Club, is exactly that, a football club.

Mitch Connor · 08-03-2010 12:55PM

Boggles wrote: »

City will attract the mercanaries and journey men.

Barca have always been "responsible" in the transfer market. They will be nothing like Madrid throwing around 80 and 70 million.

Lots of good players not going to the world cup in fairness, transfer windows opens before tournament anyways AFAIK.

how much was ibrahimovic?

Yeah, the transfer window opens before, but it is rare for united to do business before the WC. Sure Fergie will go on holiday and everything will be at a standstill to he comes back.

ShiverinEskimo · 08-03-2010 12:57PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

This summer will be no different imo, in terms of the transfer market.

City will still be throwing cash around.

City simply are not as big an attraction to players as Barca/Real/United. Not now and not for a while.

Barcelona will be driving up the price of everyone cause of their presidential elections.

Barca aren't the huge spending power that Real are. Real have their galacticos policy whereas Barca are much more dependant (and successful) with home-grown talent and value IMO. Even with presidential elections I can't see another Real-style spending spree attached to it.

The World Cup will see any player who has a half decent tournament be hailed as a world great and their value will at least double.

In much the same way that any player who has a mediocre tourny (or even their team) could see their price dropped.

Taking Lloris for example - France are building up to another 2002 world cup based on performances and results of late. They were lacklustre against Ireland and Spain tore them a new one last week and their group isn't exactly straight forward. If what I think will happen happens Lloris will be on a plane home early.

Boggles · 08-03-2010 12:58PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

how much was ibrahimovic?

I know that was a crazy deal, but that is how crazy as it gets with Barca.

Ush1 · 08-03-2010 12:59PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

how much was ibrahimovic?

Yeah, the transfer window opens before, but it is rare for united to do business before the WC. Sure Fergie will go on holiday and everything will be at a standstill to he comes back.

Indeed, I love the "mercenaries" thing.

The Muppet · 08-03-2010 01:02PM

niallk wrote: »

Who gives a ****, the manager is getting.... Great attitude if only people like you ran our economy for the last couple of decades, oh wait!

How hard is it for you to understand that United are operating at a loss due to the interest servicing and can only make a profit by selling top players?

No one expects anyone to come in and fund United with their "personal wealth". United is an extremely profitable business, when debt-free. The Red Knights main promise is to clear the debt and that is all the fans care about: the stability of the club.

Grand can you answer some questions for me so.

Who exactly are the Red knights.

What money do they have to finance the purchase of the club?

Whats is the source of this Money?

Will the Club be debt free if Glazer sells to them?

I'd like answers to those question before deciding whether I'd support their bid or not.

The Muppet · 08-03-2010 01:06PM

PHB wrote: »

This statement, is quite frankly a load of complete ****.

http://andersred.blogspot.com/

In case you're not aware, andersred, Andy Green, is part of this anti-Glazer brigade. He is a fund manager in MayFair. He runs a hedge fund. He has been on or referenced in Sky News, BBC, the Guardian and the Financial Times.

Considering you think that the anti-Glazer bridage don't know anything, your financial qualifications are?

Leeds. Why don't you read about them?

It has impacted on the pitch, anyone who doesnt realise that is quite frankly, stupid. Our success has been in spite of them, not because of it.

And even if it didn't, its not about the team, or the owners, its about the bloody club. About everything to do with the club, including fans, including kids in Stretford who haven't a hope of seeing a United game anymore, youth team players who despite playing in the League Cup were asked to pay for tickets to the final, including season ticket holders who are no longer guaranteed a ticket for a final because executive members can outbid them, including, including, including.

It's not just an ordinary business. It's a massive part of peoples lives. Manchester United Football Club, is exactly that, a football club.

Like it or not It's business , you got to move with the times. Comparing Leeds to Man United is like comparing your local newasagents to Tesco's. this Green bloke , vouch for him can you? whats his angle?

niallk · 08-03-2010 01:06PM

Boggles wrote: »

To be fair, you have no idea what the Red Knights intentions for the club are.

I like to think they are die hard fans and are all doing it for complete noble reasons, but in that world there is Fairies and trees made of chocolate.

All business men see United the same way, a huge global brand with the ability to make lots of money.

1) The Red Knights statement says clearing the debt is a priority.
2) Whoever comes in (if anyone) will face a similar fan revolt if they dont clear the debt sharpish.

Don't paint me as a naive damsel, waiting for the the Red Knights to rescue me from the top of this terrible tower...

All business men see United the same way, a huge global brand with the ability to make lots of money.
But currently the huge global brand is not making money for the club but for the banks, who I wouldn't doubt the Glazers are friendly with. The whole setup stinks and needs to be changed. I'm actually not too keen on Jim O'Neill either as Goldmann Sachs is basically the devil.

The fans though have to realise their power over any owner. We are the ones who make it a profitable business and we can dictate who we want as owner.

Boggles · 08-03-2010 01:07PM

From my reading of it, If you had 10-20 million sterling or access to it. Investing in United is better than any world bank at the moment, in terms of return and security.

kryogen · 08-03-2010 01:11PM

The Muppet wrote: »

I'll reply to what I want, you can do likewise. You may have noticed I tend to reply in kind, apparently we do have something to talk about.

Is it clear? that's great. use whatever sound bite you want to dismiss others valid opinions, the naysayers have to be right, what'll ye have to moan about if not.

Thats right I'm a glory hunter, one that has been supporting since 1972, there was **** all glory for about twenty of those years particulaly in the second division. What a joke of a comment.

the problem people have with your posts is that you display no signs of caring about the long term future of the club, short term success is all well and good, but our team needs investment to maintain this success, and going on what the bond issue has said we will need to go further into debt to buy players

long term, borrowing and running up debt is not the way to secure the clubs future, i dont want to wake up one day and read Manchester United gone into liquidation, the trophies we have won now will feel like very hololow victories if the club doesnt survive

i am not an advocate of the "red knights" nor am i a big fan of the Glazers, but for now i am definitely of the opinion that its better the devil you know, the red knights have not done anything to warrant my support as of yet, nor has anyone else reputably looking to buy the club

you are wrong when you say all the fans should care about is that the team is successful and the manager is being backed

fans, actual fans of the club have every right to be interested in the ling term financial security of the club, we see it as our club, i have been a supporter since birth, one of my earliest photo's as a baby is me in a manchester united kit, and i see it as a duty to do what little i can to make sure the club is secure both on the field and off

its not the Glazers being unable to pay the debt that worries me, its what will have to be done to pay it

If we have to keep selling our top players to stay afloat it is not hard to see that the future success of the club will be effected, if we have to sell OT then the club will lose a part of its proud heritage, this will effect you as a fan who only cares about success on the field

will you be angry then? will you see that the debt we have right now isnt such a little problem and we shouldnt worry about it

ignoring a problem will not make it go away

Boggles · 08-03-2010 01:13PM

niallk wrote: »

1) The Red Knights statement says clearing the debt is a priority.

2) Whoever comes in (if anyone) will face a similar fan revolt if they dont clear the debt sharpish.

How can you clear that much debt sharpish?

niallk · 08-03-2010 01:13PM

The Muppet wrote: »

Grand can you answer some questions for me so.

Who exactly are the Red knights.

What money do they have to finance the purchase of the club?

Whats is the source of this Money?

Will the Club be debt free if Glazer sells to them?

I'd like answers to those question before deciding whether I'd support their bid or not.

I'm sorry you seem to have mistaken me for somebody who is in the consortium, I have all the same speculation and info as the rest of us.

Will the Club be debt free if Glazer sells to them?
So they said in their statement, yes. (If not, we have grounds for another revolt.)

Boggles · 08-03-2010 01:17PM

Hilarious.

You have 2 extremes here, The Muppet, who I'm sure does care about the future of the club and I suspect like me (and 99% of everyone else) doesn't understand the financials of the whole thing.

Then you Have Mitch going around screaming the end is now, and lets be fair Mitch as long as I have known you on here your a the glass is half empty guy.

For me, I am worried, but I always said I shouldn't let things I don't fully understand worry me.

We have a cup in the cabinet, great chance in the CL and sitting top of the league.

I'm a glass is half full man.

keane2097 · 08-03-2010 01:23PM

The Muppet wrote: »

Yada Yada Yada.

Who Gives a **** , the manager getting the support and funds he needs is all fans should be concerned about, once that continues to happen most supporters will be happy.

Do you honestly think that people purchase buisness's worth Billions out of personal wealth? How naive!

It's more likely to be Ronaldo money, you know the money your lot say the Glazers bled from the club, I hope it happens, I look forward to having something to talk about if it does.

You're actually hilarious.

You love to tell people how you're a long term fan and were in it before the recent glory days and all that lark, but this post exposes you as the ultimate in fair-weather fandom.

As long as we win today who gives two shíts about tomorrow.

What a joke.

The Muppet · 08-03-2010 01:23PM

kryogen wrote: »

the problem people have with your posts is that you display no signs of caring about the long term future of the club, short term success is all well and good, but our team needs investment to maintain this success, and going on what the bond issue has said we will need to go further into debt to buy players

long term, borrowing and running up debt is not the way to secure the clubs future, i dont want to wake up one day and read Manchester United gone into liquidation, the trophies we have won now will feel like very hololow victories if the club doesnt survive

i am not an advocate of the "red knights" nor am i a big fan of the Glazers, but for now i am definitely of the opinion that its better the devil you know, the red knights have not done anything to warrant my support as of yet, nor has anyone else reputably looking to buy the club

you are wrong when you say all the fans should care about is that the team is successful and the manager is being backed

fans, actual fans of the club have every right to be interested in the ling term financial security of the club, we see it as our club, i have been a supporter since birth, one of my earliest photo's as a baby is me in a manchester united kit, and i see it as a duty to do what little i can to make sure the club is secure both on the field and off

its not the Glazers being unable to pay the debt that worries me, its what will have to be done to pay it

If we have to keep selling our top players to stay afloat it is not hard to see that the future success of the club will be effected, if we have to sell OT then the club will lose a part of its proud heritage, this will effect you as a fan who only cares about success on the field

will you be angry then? will you see that the debt we have right now isnt such a little problem and we shouldnt worry about it

ignoring a problem will not make it go away

I care about Man United as much as anyone else posting in this thread, I don't take kindly to that being called into question because I express my own thoughts on the club like it was earlier.

I share the concerens you voice. The debt is serious but not unmanagable IMO. The revenue streams continue to grow and with technologhy there are new revenue streams on the horizon. For Instance who thinks we will always be able to stream matches for free?

20 years ago you could have purchased Mancheter United for £20 Million, now you can't buy it for 1 Billion, I believe as the club continues to increase in value the debt will cease to be the worry it is now. that's what I believe and I suspect those business men queuing up to buy the club have the same belief.

08-03-2010 01:28PM

How bad is Rooney's injury?

Headshot · 08-03-2010 01:33PM

we need a head in sand pic asap

keane2097 · 08-03-2010 01:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How bad is Rooney's injury?

He's supposedly a doubt for the Milan game, but I imagine he will play.

Peyton Manning · 08-03-2010 01:34PM

Wouldn't think its too serious, and I reckon he'll play Wednesday. For what it's worth, The Sun are reporting that he's alright for Wednesday.

The Muppet · 08-03-2010 01:36PM

niallk wrote: »

I'm sorry you seem to have mistaken me for somebody who is in the consortium, I have all the same speculation and info as the rest of us.

Will the Club be debt free if Glazer sells to them?
So they said in their statement, yes. (If not, we have grounds for another revolt.)

Well if you have the same info as I have on them I fail to see how you or anyone else can say you support them. If you're swayed by their stated aspiration to have a debt free club you're a little too trusting for me I'm afraid.

Another revolt , lovely just what the clubs needs, prolonged instability.

kryogen · 08-03-2010 01:39PM

Headshot wrote: »

we need a head in sand pic asap

hmmm, what about this fella?

kryogen · 08-03-2010 01:42PM

The Muppet wrote: »

Well if you have the same info as I have on them I fail to see how you or anyone else can say you support them. If you're swayed by their stated aspiration to have a debt free club you're a little too trusting for me I'm afraid.

Another revolt , lovely just what the clubs needs, prolonged instability.

this i agree with 100%

if we are to have new owner they better make their plans damn clear to us, with guarantees and explanations for how they will make clear or reduce the debt significantly

dont want to be back in the same position in another 5 years, no point in that

Headshot · 08-03-2010 01:42PM

kryogen wrote: »

hmmm, what about this fella?

If i was only at home i could put kermit the frogs head on Ali

lordgoat · 08-03-2010 01:42PM

The Muppet wrote: »

Well if you have the same info as I have on them I fail to see how you or anyone else can say you support them. If you're swayed by their stated aspiration to have a debt free club you're a little too trusting for me I'm afraid.

Another revolt , lovely just what the clubs needs, prolonged instability.

prolonged instability is exactly what we have at the moment, if you took your head out of your arse (it's probably been there since 19dickity two) you'd probably realise that.

As kryogen pointed out it's your dismissal of the fact that the future of our club is in serous debt that pisses people off and the fact you put some misplaced status in the fact you are older than other poster that piss alot of people off.

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