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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭antod




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    antod wrote: »
    United fan?

    Whatever.

    gtfo.

    Dont joke about when it comes to this **** imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,015 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/06/chris-smalling-fulham-manchester-united

    A good read
    Chris Smalling grew up in a household that in footballing terms was quite a battleground. His mum, Theresa, followed Tottenham. He supported Arsenal. His father, Lloyd, and younger brother Jason plumped for Manchester United. Little did this young Gunner know that one day he would be playing at White Hart Lane, about to meet Sir Alex Ferguson, and that his world would spin upside down in the most thrilling way imaginable.

    Sitting in the wintry sunshine at Fulham's training ground, Smalling gives the impression that he is remarkably calm about the recent turn of events that led him to sign for Manchester United. He will move to Old Trafford in the summer, just two years after he left Maidstone in the Isthmian League, six tiers below the top flight. Those promising feet are grounded. There is enough apprehension mixed in with the excitement to prevent any sudden swagger. "It's been a really crazy couple of years," he says, bashfully.

    The craziness peaked last month. His career was progressing steadily at Craven Cottage, and Smalling had been selected for his second Premier League start for an away match at Tottenham Hotspur. Nobody said a word before kick-off as Fulham's management team wanted him to be concentrating fully, but afterwards he was pulled aside and informed that Ferguson had come to watch him and wanted to talk to him. Considering that it was the eve of the Carling Cup semi-final second leg, with United preparing to play City at Old Trafford, Smalling was bowled over to discover that the manager of the Premier League champions would make such an effort. Just for him. Up until that point he had played 239 minutes of Premier League football.

    "For him to come down the day before a big game was a huge compliment," he says. "That made it feel incredible. I went up the next day to the Manchester derby and got to meet some of the players afterwards. I went to see the training ground, did the medical, and everyone was very welcoming."

    The 20-year-old found himself chewing the fat with one of his role models, Rio Ferdinand, a fellow south London boy who told him about moving north at a young age to further his career. "He told me I would very much enjoy it up there," adds Smalling, who returned to London enthusing about how he might pick up some tips from the main man next season and hopefully even play alongside him in the centre of defence.

    That treatment worked. The player had been torn when it emerged that his boyhood club, and one much closer to home, was also in the chase. But Arsène Wenger did not put in the personal effort that Ferguson did, a reversal of what happened when Aaron Ramsey was the prize they fought over.

    "When Sir Alex came and met me and I went to go up and visit, I had the gut feeling this was the place for me to continue my football education," Smalling says. "My brother was just over the moon. Being a Man United fan he is going to want a few tickets. My mum and brother are so proud of me."

    So they should be. Few players make the leap from non-league to Champions League within a couple of years. Not so long ago Smalling was making plans for a life where the idea of football as a career was a hope rather than an expectation. He worked hard at school, and his A-level passes in economics, business studies and media secured him a university place. "I would have gone to Loughborough to study business management and was looking forward to that very much," he says.

    While studying for his exams at 17 he was also playing for Maidstone United. He trained twice a week and played matches at the weekend, experiencing a side of football he appreciates for giving him perspective. "My team-mates had different jobs," he recalls. "A few worked in the city, some did building and carpentry, a lot of them had played in the league at a higher level but dropped down for whatever reason, whether they were coming to the end of their career or had an injury and struggled to get back," he says. "That makes you value the opportunity you have."

    Thankfully, once he reached the first team at Maidstone he did not have to take his kit home for mum to deal with, but he still had to get himself to matches and cadged lifts from his friends. "Some games would be a bit of a nightmare if there was traffic and you'd be rushing for kick-off. Not the sort of thing you do in the Premier League."

    Naturally, as a teenager, he was targeted by the gnarled veterans of the Isthmian League. "Their game is geared to sort of roughing you up if they see they are up against someone who has played a handful of times. That gave me a grounding in the less pretty side of the game. I like to get the ball down and play, but I can always get stuck in and hold my own."

    He was picked for England schoolboys, a selection that opened the door to trials with a couple of Premier League clubs, and it was Fulham who felt right in the summer of 2008. "After playing a reserve game Roy Hodgson took me into his office and complimented me on my game. We had a general chat, he was telling me about when he played for Maidstone back in the day, so it all felt very nice to be at the club. They gave me a chance, they saw some raw ability and it has been a joy working here every day."

    Smalling is hopeful he can experience some tangible success with his team-mates before he bids them farewell. Fulham has got under his skin, and he would dearly love some cup success, with Tottenham in the FA Cup quarter-finals today and Juventus in the Europa League on the horizon. "The chance of getting to Wembley, and playing against the likes of Juventus, shows how far we have come as a group."

    In the meantime, he is juggling plates again. When not focusing on Fulham, he is planning for Old Trafford. He has already started the search for a place to live, and wants to get sorted before the summer so he is ready to hit the ground running in pre-season.

    Overall, he could hardly be more sensible. Ferguson knows his £10m has been spent on a player who does not just have the talent to go far, but the work ethic and level-headedness as well. He even wants to continue his studies while he is at Manchester United. "I'd like to pick it up as there is obviously quite a bit of spare time after training, to get a few qualifications for after football."

    Smalling has another thing going for him. As he gets up from his seat when our conversation draws to a close, he seems to go on forever. Some footballers are not as big as you expect in the flesh, but Smalling towers. It is necessary to crane your neck to say goodbye and apparently all 6ft 4in of him is yet to fill out. Manchester United just might have bought themselves a very big player for the future.

    Ben hibbs says on his twitter account
    SAF says he's Rio's long-term replacement


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    Pro. F wrote: »
    Ferguson is such an insufferable hypocrite at times. He played Rooney for an hour on Sunday when he knew Rooney already had a knee problem and then he's giving out about Rooney playing for his country. Fergie knew the international was coming up and he knew that Rooney had the right and the desire to play in it. He could have tried to accomodate this but he didn't.

    I have a massive respect and fondness for Fergie for all the success he's brought to the club but, really, he should get over himself and accept that players are going to play for their country as well.

    As the saying goes - 'You can shove yer ****ing England up yer arse.' United pay his wages, pretty big ones at that. Fair enough if he wants to play for them, but it's not like he's going to be dropped at any stage. He should've sat it out, it wouldn't have mattered. To play 90 minutes on that pitch is ridiculous.

    Also the bit in bold is daftness of the highest order... Fergie should not have played him in a CUP FINAL so that he could play against ****IN' EGYPT in a meaningless friendly? I'm sorry, but club comes before country every single time.

    I'm with Fergie on this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    Headshot wrote: »
    Nice one headshot; really interesting story!

    It's amazing the little things that count :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    What a load of twaddle. You do know Rooney didn't start the match? You do know he only came when we suffered an injury? Is that not trying to "accommodate" the international game.
    As the saying goes - 'You can shove yer ****ing England up yer arse.' United pay his wages, pretty big ones at that. Fair enough if he wants to play for them, but it's not like he's going to be dropped at any stage. He should've sat it out, it wouldn't have mattered. To play 90 minutes on that pitch is ridiculous.

    Also the bit in bold is daftness of the highest order... Fergie should not have played him in a CUP FINAL so that he could play against ****IN' EGYPT in a meaningless friendly? I'm sorry, but club comes before country every single time.

    I'm with Fergie on this.

    Fergie played Rooney for an hour on the heavy pitch at Wembley when he knew Rooney had a sore knee. It's ridiculous of him to then complain about Rooney choosing to play in the international. If Fergie had left Rooney out of the squad on Sunday because of the knee/pitch problems then it would have been reasonable of him to ask, or even tell, Rooney not to play in the England game. But that didn't happen, Fergie played Rooney because he thought that it was an acceptable risk considering the importance of the game. Rooney used the same reasoning for the England game.

    And the internatiol game was important for Rooney and the English team, it was a warm up for the World Cup ffs.

    Finally, the talk of who pays his wages is absolute bollocks. United gave Rooney his contract when we knew how committed he was to his national team. This is the type of player he is.

    International football is an integral part of the game, club managers need to accept this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭goddevil


    Pro. F wrote: »
    And the internatiol game was important for Rooney and the English team, it was a warm up for the World Cup ffs.
    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    goddevil wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Oh no, you got me there!! Don't let a little thing like context get in the way of your point or anything...

    The game was a chance for the team to play together in preparation for going to the WORLD CUP. Maybe it suprises you but that tournament is seen as the pinnacle of their career for most players. Therefor the preparation is pretty damn important.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭goddevil


    What are you on about? It was a friendly against a side that is not even going to the finals and the tournament is still 3 months away... If rooney injures himself like owen did - he will not only miss the rest of United's season but also the world cup finals. And playing in this wembley pitch increases the odds of injury... Now he may have to miss the wolves match which is much more important for both the player and the club that pays him...

    I want United's players to put the club above everything else and that includes the national team...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    goddevil wrote: »
    What are you on about? It was a friendly against a side that is not even going to the finals and the tournament is still 3 months away

    Yet, they are the African Nation Champions 3 times in a row! Resulting in a good challenge, which they gave to England, especially in the first half. England needed that game together cause there not going to get many chances before the finals. Some of the players even pointed out afterward that they weren't use to being together, and needed the game time!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭goddevil


    A player may need the game time.. But not at the peril of putting your entire season at risk :confused: ... It was an unnecessary risk playing 90 mins in the poor wembley pitch especially when SAF had rested him in a cup final


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    It was important for the English national team! If Fergie had a severe issue with him playing he could have made the point Capello, and he surely would have only played 45-60! Instead Fergie waited until after it to comment that he wasn't happy and would have expected him not to play so much.....why not say iy before if its an issue?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,566 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    kmart6 wrote: »
    It was important for the English national team! If Fergie had a severe issue with him playing he could have made the point Capello, and he surely would have only played 45-60! Instead Fergie waited until after it to comment that he wasn't happy and would have expected him not to play so much.....why not say iy before if its an issue?!

    So, your argument is that Capello is an ignorant fool who wouldn't think twice about playing a player for 86 minutes on a crap pitch when he was already carrying an injury (quite clearly the case).

    It should not have to be said to Capello, he should have had enough cop on himself. It was poor man management.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    No, my point is if it is in anyway serious then Fergie shouls have insisted that he not play at all! As likely to get injured in 1 minute than 86....so why take the risk at all!?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Pro. F wrote: »
    Oh no, you got me there!! Don't let a little thing like context get in the way of your point or anything...

    The game was a chance for the team to play together in preparation for going to the WORLD CUP. Maybe it suprises you but that tournament is seen as the pinnacle of their career for most players. Therefor the preparation is pretty damn important.

    That's a bit of a stretch - the team didn't play together in preparation. Rooney was one of a handful of likely WC starters who played a full match. Lampard played a half, Gerrard was taken with 20 mins to go. It was a weak England team, and it strikes me that the only reason Rooney was on was to ensure victory in what is essentially a meaningless game. It might have been a better idea to see how good England were without their best player for a half.

    I agree about international Football being so important, but leaving Rooney on when he's played so much football this season and had a dodgy knee was just silly.

    Besides, I'd say Fergie would have rested him today anyway, and was just making a (valid) point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    kmart6 wrote: »
    As likely to get injured in 1 minute than 86....so why take the risk at all!?
    Actually that's not true at all, much more likely to get injured the later a game goes on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    kmart6 wrote: »
    No, my point is if it is in anyway serious then Fergie shouls have insisted that he not play at all! As likely to get injured in 1 minute than 86....so why take the risk at all!?

    You're actually 86 times more likely. In reality.

    Seriously though, as a player becomes fatigued, his body become waaaay more prone to injury.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    I'm saying it's as possible that he could have got injured in the first minute! Then everybody would be going nuts that he shouldn't have been playing at all, never mind just for the first half!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    GOWAN DAVEY NUGENT


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    goddevil wrote: »
    What are you on about? It was a friendly against a side that is not even going to the finals and the tournament is still 3 months away...
    Since when does it matter if the opposition are going to be in the tournament you're preparing for?! Egypt are a handy side and fine opposition for that type of game.
    Yeah, the fact that the WC is three months away makes that match less useful but it is obviously still important for the team to take advantage of these opportunities to get some time on the pitch together.
    goddevil wrote: »
    If rooney injures himself like owen did - he will not only miss the rest of United's season but also the world cup finals. And playing in this wembley pitch increases the odds of injury... Now he may have to miss the wolves match
    He was exposed to the risk of injury and tiredness by playing for United on the same pitch a few days previously. It is hypocritical to complain about him playing in the international game and yet not complain about him playing in the club game on sunday.

    So he might have to be rested for the Wolves game - shìt happens. He's going to be tired/injured at some stages during the season and need rest. It's his prerogative to play for his national side when he's fit and able, which he was.
    goddevil wrote: »
    Now he may have to miss the wolves match which is much more important for both the player and the club that pays him...
    As I said earlier the fact that the club pays his wages is neither here nor there. They knew he was committed to playing for his national team when they offered him his contract.
    goddevil wrote: »
    I want United's players to put the club above everything else and that includes the national team...
    But it doesn't just matter what you want. That type of unreasonable attitude is probably how Ferguson is able to justify to himself his myopic and hypocritical views on international football. More fool you for parroting him.


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    He scores goals galore, he scores goals. Paul Scholes he scores goals. Get in there! I now await the redout league table...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,015 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    jebus the one was awful when he came on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    Get in........

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  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Headshot wrote: »
    jebus the one was awful when he came on.

    trying to hard to impress imo, seems much more relaxed for the reserves. Still 0 starts and 1 goal this season ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭nicklauski


    The Little Magician, so many important goals for United throughout his career.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Pro. F wrote: »
    Ferguson is such an insufferable hypocrite at times. He played Rooney for an hour on Sunday when he knew Rooney already had a knee problem and then he's giving out about Rooney playing for his country. Fergie knew the international was coming up and he knew that Rooney had the right and the desire to play in it. He could have tried to accomodate this but he didn't.

    I have a massive respect and fondness for Fergie for all the success he's brought to the club but, really, he should get over himself and accept that players are going to play for their country as well.

    are you for serious?

    SAF didnt want to play Rooney in the CC final, he only came on because Owen got injured and i am sure he would have played little or not part only for that

    he was carrying an injury and at this stage of the season Fergie is entitled to expect Wayne to put club ahead of country in this situation, they are in the world cup, its a meaningless friendly and United pay his wages

    If this injury is any way serious, it has ruined Man Uniteds chances of winning any more silverware this season, was it really worth it to beat Egypt in a friendly?

    on a pitch that Wayne had just played on and knew was not in good nick?

    Fergie is not being hypocritical in this one, he did try to rest Wayne, he had to bring him on for 50 minutes against his wishes, he didnt have much choice, Capello and Rooney both had much more choice in the friendly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Headshot wrote: »
    jebus the one was awful when he came on.

    he was shocking in front of goal alright, other than that not terrible :)

    he is still very raw, but he has something about him for sure

    happy he got the experience, and in fairness the whole team was pretty poor so he didnt have a great support network, think if he hadnt come on we may not have scored though

    the extra striker to mark left more space


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    davyjose wrote: »
    That's a bit of a stretch - the team didn't play together in preparation. Rooney was one of a handful of likely WC starters who played a full match. Lampard played a half, Gerrard was taken with 20 mins to go. It was a weak England team, and it strikes me that the only reason Rooney was on was to ensure victory in what is essentially a meaningless game. It might have been a better idea to see how good England were without their best player for a half.

    I agree about international Football being so important, but leaving Rooney on when he's played so much football this season and had a dodgy knee was just silly.
    I was sort of agreeing with your post as I was reading it but then when I thought about it - Defoe, Crouch, Gerrard, Lampard, Barry, Walcott, Milner - they are all players that Wayne will be playing alongside in the summer. It was reasonable to won't to get some time on the pitch with them.
    kryogen wrote: »
    are you for serious?

    SAF didnt want to play Rooney in the CC final, he only came on because Owen got injured and i am sure he would have played little or not part only for that

    he was carrying an injury and at this stage of the season Fergie is entitled to expect Wayne to put club ahead of country in this situation, they are in the world cup, its a meaningless friendly and United pay his wages

    If this injury is any way serious, it has ruined Man Uniteds chances of winning any more silverware this season, was it really worth it to beat Egypt in a friendly?

    on a pitch that Wayne had just played on and knew was not in good nick?

    Fergie is not being hypocritical in this one, he did try to rest Wayne, he had to bring him on for 50 minutes against his wishes, he didnt have much choice, Capello and Rooney both had much more choice in the friendly

    I've made a few posts since the one you quoted, addressing the counter arguments you have made (the importance of the midweek game, the irrelevance of the club paying his wages, etc).

    I will just reiterate one point though - if Fergie had rested Rooney on Sunday it would have been reasonable to then ask, or even tell, him to not play in the midweek game. But Fergie did play Wayne at the weekend, on the same pitch, so it's hypocritical of him to complain that Rooney played in the international game.


    In other news: Scholes is a legend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Carling Cup final

    Did rest him, Owen going down forced his hand

    Competitive game

    Cup Final


    Midweek international

    Non Competitive game

    more awareness of how bad the pitch is



    Big difference imo

    If you dont see it, fair enough

    Big games coming up for club to think about

    and if he had a serious injury because he played the full game it could have jeopardised his WC dream


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,566 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Pro. F wrote: »
    I was sort of agreeing with your post as I was reading it but then when I thought about it - Defoe, Crouch, Gerrard, Lampard, Barry, Walcott, Milner - they are all players that Wayne will be playing alongside in the summer. It was reasonable to won't to get some time on the pitch with them.



    I've made a few posts since the one you quoted, addressing the counter arguments you have made (the importance of the midweek game, the irrelevance of the club paying his wages, etc).

    I will just reiterate one point though - if Fergie had rested Rooney on Sunday it would have been reasonable to then ask, or even tell, him to not play in the midweek game. But Fergie did play Wayne at the weekend, on the same pitch, so it's hypocritical of him to complain that Rooney played in the international game.


    In other news: Scholes is a legend.
    Fergie is complaining about the amount of time Rooney played, not that he played. Rooney should have been taken off after 60, like other players were. Capello should not have played him for near 90 minutes.


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