Aviva Stadium - A Complete Sellout?

Cookie_Monster · 04-03-2010 02:04PM

dimejinky9 wrote: »

By the way, the Point is still called the Point on the Luas

Thats because the area is called "The Point"

Sir Gallagher · 04-03-2010 02:31PM

Agricola wrote: »

Its a joke. But i suppose beggars cant be choosers. They need the money and Aviva will provide it.

But i think we're forgetting that the real scandal here is that corporate contracts will force rugby and soccer matches to take place in a 50,000 seater stadium, even when there is obvious demand for up to another 30,000 tickets. John Delaney has been parroting that line relentlessly. So we have a world class 80,000 seater used for 6 months of the year by an amateur organisation, while our world class rugby team and Trap and the boys play in a mid-sized stadium where there will be a perpetual lack of tickets.

Only in fúcking Ireland.

Have you ever been to an Ireland soccer match in Croke park? It very rarely sells out and the atmosphere is muck Landsdown is a perfect size.

gurramok · 04-03-2010 02:36PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Have you ever been to an Ireland soccer match in Croke park? It very rarely sells out and the atmosphere is muck Landsdown is a perfect size.

Something to do with ticket pricing perhaps?

Minstrel27 · 04-03-2010 02:38PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

I don't care what the stadium is called.

Michael Buble is playing there in September and I'm going.

Who?

gurramok · 04-03-2010 02:44PM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Who?

He qualifies for Ireland through his ahem heritage so expect a sell out crowd at the new Lansdowne stadium!

Agricola · 04-03-2010 03:09PM

Daysha wrote: »

Yes, only in fúcking Ireland would a country our size have the honour to be able to claim two world class stadiums with a combined attendance of over 130,000 as our own. :rolleyes:

Lets dispense with back slapping ourselves when it comes to stadiums. The GAA is an amateur organisation which is in the enviable position of having the financial pulling power of a professional setup. Through good management, state aid and heavy borrowing, they managed to get Croke Park to where it is today. Lets not forget this was at a time when we were going through an unprecedented boom.
Through a lack of political will and all-round incompetence, the IRFU n FAI didnt get the state funding required to build the stadium that was needed. So they were left to their own devices and what we we'll have is a fine, cutting edge stadium, but a small one which wont be fit for purpose.

I think we'd rather have tickets in our pockets, rather than sitting in the pub congratulating ourselves on our world class stadiums.

Pittens · 04-03-2010 06:04PM

Typical Vincent Browne article.

He is right that, since Avivia have not paid that much for the building of the stadium, they should not get to rename in this particular case; but I dont care what the Point was called or is called.

Lansdown road is just the name of a street, its a non-name. Worrying about it is mere nostalgia. Croke Park is named after someone, and I dont even know who he is.

And naming something, like the O2, after the company who own and run it is no more corporate than naming the Guinness storehouse after, well, Guinness.

The reason why the article is typical of Browne, however, is that it starts off with one topic and moves to a series of non-sequitors ( via a attack on casino capitalism) to the final non-sequitor - w that there is no such thing as "hard earned" income, and that the tax payer should not be concerned with the taxes he pays, since all taxes are to help the poor apparently ( ignoring the fact that most taxes come from the poorer private sector to fund the better paid and pensioned public sector).

Needless to say, this has nothing to do with the original topic. Ireland's greatest public intellectual my ass, I would expect better arguments from 16 year olds.

I knida wish the Vincent Browne corporate brand could be shown the door.

WiDGe-> · 04-03-2010 06:22PM

the bestt corporate name for a stdium ever mooted was Crazy John's Stadium in Perth. They wanted to rename Subiaco Oval this in 2003 after the Australian mobile phone company Crazy Johns - should have sold the Aviva naming rights to them would have been hilarious!!

Raiser · 04-03-2010 06:26PM

Aviva can pay €44,000,000 for naming rights to a Stadium

8 months later Aviva cannot afford to keep jobs in Ireland.

http://www.vhi.ie/
http://www.quinn-healthcare.com/

- Why not give your money to People with principles and integrity.......

Hopefully it will always be Landsdowne Road and those Corporate Cnuts can fcuk off!!!

Cookie_Monster · 04-03-2010 06:30PM

Raiser wrote: »

8 months later Aviva cannot afford to keep jobs in Ireland.

!

there's nothing in that article about being able to not afford anything.
just states they are rationalising

Also VHI and integrity is not two words that would go in the same sentence.

MonkeyTennis · 04-03-2010 06:38PM

as for Quinn?? taking money out of your bank account without your permission since 1987

Raiser · 04-03-2010 07:02PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

there's nothing in that article about being able to not afford anything.
just states they are rationalising

Also VHI and integrity is not two words that would go in the same sentence.

Rationalising? You need to get out and buy the Collins Corporate Buzz Word Thesaurus 2010 (Revised Edition)

- If your Company fcuked you and your Colleagues out on your ears some Tuesday citing Stream-lining, Budget Freshening and Noveau Rationalisationne would you feel any better???

Cookie_Monster · 04-03-2010 07:07PM

Raiser wrote: »

Rationalising? You need to get out and buy the Collins Corporate Buzz Word Thesaurus 2010 (Revised Edition)

- If your Company fcuked you and your Colleagues out on your ears some Tuesday citing Stream-lining, Budget Freshening and Noveau Rationalisationne would you feel any better???

no I wouldn't but there's no need to sensationalise stuff.

35 people in Ireland are losing jobs, out of 300 total, not that much. Also moving they're HQ to Ireland which will benefit the economy more than those 35 jobs ever would

OutlawPete · 04-03-2010 07:36PM

Fcuk the name Lansdowne, sure isn't Shelbourne named after the same cnut.

I hate all those shagging Earls and Marquis of this that and the other?

Change 'em all I say.

Let's rename everything if we don't like the bastards that these things are called after.

Lets start with Queen St!! :mad:

Sir Gallagher · 04-03-2010 07:44PM

gurramok wrote: »

Something to do with ticket pricing perhaps?

Possibly, but i reckon it's more to do with Ireland just not being that big of a draw, it's hardly dazzling football on display. I'm looking forward to the new stadium as i've said i just think its the right size for a decent atmosphere. I don't like Croke park anyway hill 16 just ruins the whole thing, it just makes the stadium look unfinished.

Son Of A Vidic · 04-03-2010 08:26PM

What use is a 50,000 seater stadium? Surely the baseline should be at least 60,000 seats. As for it's disposable name, for me it will always be Lansdowne Road.

amacachi · 04-03-2010 08:35PM

I have no problem with the Stadium being called whatever it is, I do however have a problem with the government handing over the kind of money it did to enable two professional sporting organisations to make more money.

amacachi · 04-03-2010 08:36PM

medicman2009 wrote: »

What use is a 50,000 seater stadium? Surely the baseline should be at least 60,000 seats. As for it's disposable name, for me it will always be Lansdowne Road.

It's ridiculous quite frankly. Let the IRFU pander to the locals if they want, but the government shouldn't have paid anything towards a stadium with such low capacity.

IrishKev · 04-03-2010 08:43PM

Really can't wait for the Aviva stadium to be finished and holding Euro 2012 quals and 6 Nations games. Been to Croker for some World Cup Quals, and the athmosphere and electric for some, but the pitch being closer to the fans will make it unreal!

AlmightyCushion · 04-03-2010 09:55PM

Funkstard wrote: »

Vincent Browne happily skipped over the 'few million' this is worth to the IRFU and the FAI.

The deal is worth €44 million over ten years. I'll call the stadium Buckingham Palace for all it matters if it means that much money will be re-invested in the sports.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2009/0212/1224241050544.html

Holy shít. I thought it would be worth about 5-10 million tops. For that amount of money they can call it "AlmightyCushion bums donkeys" for all I care.

Teddy Chips · 04-03-2010 10:02PM

Ah good old Vincent chasing the left wing bleeding hearts club. The man is basically anti-capatilism and doesn't seem to understand that this sort of structure is commonplace all over the world. People can still call it what they want but thanks for the reminder Vince.

AlmightyCushion · 04-03-2010 10:06PM

Teddy Chips wrote: »

Ah good old Vincent chasing the left wing bleeding hearts club. The man is basically anti-capatilism and doesn't seem to understand that this sort of structure is commonplace all over the world. People can still call it what they want but thanks for the reminder Vince.

I imagine it will be un-officially called lansdowne by pretty much everyone except for tourists and younger folk who weren't around when it was lansdowne.

donkey balls · 04-03-2010 10:19PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Holy shít. I thought it would be worth about 5-10 million tops. For that amount of money they can call it "AlmightyCushion bums donkeys" for all I care.

your not going bum me:D

sron · 04-03-2010 10:23PM

I say we should just name everything after Patrick Pearse: Pearse Stadium, Pearse's Point, the Pearse Pike (formerly the Spire) and the PPO... and all in time for 2016.

fikay · 04-03-2010 11:14PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QjOI7bj5ks

GGGGggggguuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr:pac:

04-03-2010 11:34PM

donkey balls wrote: »

your not going bum me:D

You seem awfully sure of that

johnnyskeleton · 05-03-2010 12:49AM

TheZohan wrote: »

Something something....swans...Queen visit...murderers...Cavan...young Polish fiancee that loves old dude.

That old dude had a polish wife and a pub in his garden. Nice.

Proxy · 05-03-2010 01:11AM

Could have been worse. Could have been sponsored by Churchill.

me-skywalker · 05-03-2010 01:27AM

Hobnobs Stadium when the rugby is on and Dutch Gold Stadium for the Football

oppenheimer1 · 05-03-2010 02:07AM

There are a number of things wrong with the new stadium, but the name is only trivial.
1) Its in the wrong place, the site is far too constrained, should have been built in Ringsend/Irishtown.
2) The roof trusses are far too deep, and if it doesn't obstruct the view at the back of the upper tier it will feel very claustrophobic. Its an unforgivable mistake in this day and age.
3) The design of the north stand. It will be next to impossible to ever fully finish off the bowl due to the design of the roof supports. Almost certainly a major redesign of the existing roof structure would be required, so you can rule that out for at least 30 years.
4) The free corporate box that CIE got as part payment for the air rights over the track. While CIE are entitled to compensation, they should have been paid fully in cash, not in part for perks for the directors and their cronies http://www.independent.ie/national-news/union-critical-of-cies-stadium-box-deal-1614473.html

Aviva Stadium - A Complete Sellout?

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