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Aviva Stadium - A Complete Sellout?

  • 03-03-2010 11:04PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭


    Now I usually don't agree with Vincent Browne but I think the below is a brilliant article. Have we lost the power to think for ourselves, are we just one big mass believing what we are told one day and then believing something completely different the next when told that is now true. I think it is sad if Landsdowne Road becomes the 'Aviva Stadium' but I guess it is too late as it already is being called this by most people. I think we should start a campaign here to try and get people to keep the Lansdowne Road name, it is a place of special memories for many of us in both soccer and rugby. What do people think? Are we still capable of thinking for ourselves and letting our opinions be formed mass media....?, or am I being nostalgic and just letting Vincent Browne form my opinion...oh wait..sh!t!! :eek:


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0303/1224265498791.html?via=mr
    THERE IS a feature to the new “Aviva” stadium which is symptomatic of a cultural degeneration, I believe, with a disturbing political nuance. It relates also to the “O2” concert venue at the Point, writes VINCENT BROWNE
    A little over six years ago, on January 27th, 2004, John O’Donoghue, then minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism, made a speech which began: “This is a good day for Irish sport.” That morning the government had agreed to spend €190 million on a new stadium at Lansdowne Road, well over half the then projected cost of the venture.
    Five years later, on February 12th, 2009, the Irish Rugby Football Union, which had got most of the funding for its new stadium from the State, announced that the new stadium would be called, not the John O’Donoghue stadium, or the Bertie Mini-Bowl, or, more plausibly, the Jack Kyle stadium or the Brian O’Driscoll stadium or more realistically, just Lansdowne Road, but the Aviva stadium – Aviva being the world’s fifth-largest insurance group, a leading player in the world’s financial nexus that has brought us such joy over the last few years. For this, Aviva was paying a few million euro.
    It was disappointing that after the State (ie, Irish society) had paid such a huge amount of money to build the thing, it was now officially to be called after a global insurance company. That might not matter much if the rest of us were to pay no attention and were to continue to call it Lansdowne Road. After all, Lansdowne Road had been the country’s main rugby venue since 1876. But in an act of spectacular deference to corporate power – in this instance a global insurance company – the media here has capitulated, and the stadium is already known colloquially as the Aviva stadium. Why would sports writers and commentators now call a stadium we all have known since childhood as Lansdowne Road, the Aviva stadium? Of course, for years they tried calling the All-Ireland hurling championship the Guinness All-Ireland hurling championship and the football one the Bank of Ireland football championship. It never caught on. But this Aviva stadium title has caught on.
    How is it we collude so easily and unthinkingly in such obsequiousness to corporate interests? Do we have no minds of our own? Similarly the Point. How did we come to call that place O2, after a corporate mobile phone company? Does the corporate world rule the roost not just in the corporate realm but in our minds, even after all the devastation the corporate world has done to the real world? After Independence, we railed against the naming of places after our colonial masters, hence Kingstown became Dún Laoghaire, Queenstown Cobh, Sackville Street O’Connell Street, and all that. I think that was dead right. We needed to decolonise our minds; the pity is we didn’t do so more comprehensively. But now we are letting our minds be colonised all over again by the global capitalist corporations, and we are apparently quite happy about this.
    Certainly we have gone along with it spectacularly in the political sphere. We rode the global capitalist wave with gusto for at least a decade, and in the process did terrible damage to our society and to our mindsets. We came to believe there was no alternative to free unregulated markets, whatever the social consequences. We cheered on the Fianna Fáil/PD government as it devastated the tax base and deepened inequality here at the expense of misery, certainly for a million and more citizens.
    So comprehensive has the colonisation of our mindsets been that we have now replaced the idea of citizen with that of taxpayer. We have managed to monetise the very essence of what it is to be part of this community. It is the “taxpayer” that will have to bail out the banks; it is the “taxpayer” that has to fund social welfare; it is the “taxpayer” that has to bear the brunt of the recession. It is their “hard-earned” income that has to be “raided” for all of the above bank bailouts, social welfare, etc.
    Of course, it is through those of us who pay taxes that the State is funded in the main. But the prism of “taxpayer” is a gross distortion. It has within it the idea that only through the payment of tax are there entitlements from society (what about infants and others not in a position to pay taxes)?
    But, more crucially, is there not implicit in the “taxpayer” idea the notion that the income derived from taxes was/is the “property” of the person who pays? Is it not as though the unregulated market distribution of income confers property rights? That it is okay for some people to earn a million, and others to earn less than €15,000? But isn’t part of the point of taxation to undo the unfairness of markets?
    The idea of property rights to one’s “earnings” has colonised our minds and has made the achievement of a just society so much more difficult.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,160 ✭✭✭✭banshee_bones


    tl;dr

    some one gimme a summary..... :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    tl;dr

    some one gimme a summary..... :pac:

    Something something....swans...Queen visit...murderers...Cavan...young Polish fiancee that loves old dude.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    could be worse, what about 'sportsdirect.com@StJames'Park'



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 970 ✭✭✭Kirnsy


    tl;dr

    some one gimme a summary..... :pac:


    essentially Aviva is the world's fifth largest insurance company...fancy that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    Lansdowne Road was the oldest rugby stadium in the world.

    The current thing does not deserve such past history IMO.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭powerfade


    tl;dr

    some one gimme a summary..... :pac:


    Thought I saw somewhere today on AH where everybody on AH had IQ's of over 160!! Just thought I would give all these geniuses an oppurtunity to excercise their brilliant minds!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Even I think its wrong, and I can't stand Rugby.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Something something....swans...Queen visit...murderers...Cavan...young Polish fiancee that loves old dude.

    And Romanian head shop Nigerian menace.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,160 ✭✭✭✭banshee_bones


    Kirnsy wrote: »
    essentially Aviva is the world's fifth largest insurance company...fancy that

    Oohh! I say!
    powerfade wrote: »
    Thought I saw somewhere today on AH where everybody on AH had IQ's of over 160!! Just thought I would give all these geniuses an oppurtunity to excercise their brilliant minds!!

    Oh didnt see it, that must have been today when i was in lectures :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    I'd agree with the notion of trying to get people to continue calling the place "Lansdowne Road" except the campaign o2 have done to destroy all reminents of the name "The Point" have me convinced it's like pissing against the wind and that Aviva will eventually win out. My belief that most people are mindless sheep only increased with O2's masterstroke.

    BTW has anyone else noticed that the finished stadium looks exaclty like a giant glass hospital bedpan? Perhaps that's the name we should give it if we can't get "Lansdowne" to stick? How about "€80 to watch some shít in the bedpan". Could it catch on? :confused: I'm certainly never going to call it by its slave name anyway.

    Lansdowne Road vs Bedpan
    .


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Aviva are no doubt paying a good amount of money for this, easily a few million. This is a few million that the government don't have to fork out. You can bet your ass if they had turned it down and decided to keep the lansdowne road name then people would be bitching at the government for squandering more money. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭jonnybadd


    wylo wrote: »
    could be worse, what about 'sportsdirect.com@StJames'Park'


    And thats only till the end of this season. If we manage to go up, who knows we could have durex@stJamesPark.

    As much as I disagree with such a historical stadium being renamed, the sponsorship will alleviate the costs for the build of the stadium and add money to grass route sports in the country.

    Plus if I remember correctly, because of the new build we have received the honour of hosting the Europa Cup final next year, which can only be a good thing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Munster managed to redevelop without selling out.

    I heard someone on the radio the other day announce something at "The Point......oh.....The O2"

    And even though Aviva might be paying for it, I'd be pretty sure that anyone insured with them is paying for it in the long run.....even if they don't like soccer or rugby.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    What did they expect from the IRFU except outright capitialist chancerism? They're just upholding the core values of their grass roots :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Now correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Aviva the Roman God of Mediocre Sporting Achievements?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Bambi wrote: »
    What did they expect from the IRFU except outright capitialist chancerism? They're just upholding the core values of their grass roots :)

    Don't forget the FAI in all this too. Those gobshítes won't even let you buy a team jersey without it having Eircon plastered all over it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭dresden8


    It's something along the lines of "We got rid of colonialist memories and should not replace them with Corporate Memories instead."

    Only Lansdowne is one of those colonialist memories we allegedly got rid of.

    Usually have a lot of time for Fintan, but he fncked up on this one.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Lansdowne


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭MickShamrock


    It'll always be Landsdowne Road to me.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 7,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭**Timbuk2**


    First off I had to put up with people calling the Point 'The o2', and now this has to be the f*cking 'Aviva Stadium'.

    I'd love to pay a million euro to get McCarthy's Chicken Factory to sponsor Lansdowne Road, and then see what the feckers say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭InKonspikuou2


    It pisses me off when corporate sponsors pay to change names of stadiums they invested money in. I have mates who call the point the O2 and it does my head in. I had a stadium beside me in the US that had a couple of names of a few years due to a company selling the rights to it or being bought out. Once you name a stadium after a corporation you start that trend forever because if Sony for example decide to take Avivia's place in the future they will obviously change the name.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭powerfade


    It pisses me off when corporate sponsors pay to change names of stadiums they invested money in. I have mates who call the point the O2 and it does my head in. I had a stadium beside me in the US that had a couple of names of a few years due to a company selling the rights to it or being bought out. Once you name a stadium after a corporation you start that trend forever because if Sony for example decide to take Avivia's place in the future they will obviously change the name.

    Ya it's a joke, I was living in Melbourne last year and their second stadium, the Telstra dome changed name overnight to the Etihad stadium and people didn't even blink... Aviva will be McDonalds stadium in 2 years time.. I still call the Point, the Point though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    dresden8 wrote: »
    It's something along the lines of "We got rid of colonialist memories and should not replace them with Corporate Memories instead."

    Only Lansdowne is one of those colonialist memories we allegedly got rid of.

    Usually have a lot of time for Fintan, but he fncked up on this one.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Lansdowne

    I always felt, that as a newly founded state, we should have rounded up counter revolutionaries like the IRFU and made examples of them :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    Bambi wrote: »
    I always felt, that as a newly founded state, we should have rounded up counter revolutionaries like the IRFU and made examples of them :)

    'We' did, a lot of them got their houses burnt and a few got shot and a good few left and that's it really.

    Good article, I'll still call it Landsdowne Rd. anyway, fuck aviva and O2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    Its a joke. But i suppose beggars cant be choosers. They need the money and Aviva will provide it.

    But i think we're forgetting that the real scandal here is that corporate contracts will force rugby and soccer matches to take place in a 50,000 seater stadium, even when there is obvious demand for up to another 30,000 tickets. John Delaney has been parroting that line relentlessly. So we have a world class 80,000 seater used for 6 months of the year by an amateur organisation, while our world class rugby team and Trap and the boys play in a mid-sized stadium where there will be a perpetual lack of tickets.

    Only in fúcking Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    There's a pub beside me that's changed it's name two or three times and everyone in town still calls it what it was called 10 years ago. Another pub was the same and eventually changed the name back to the original one because that's what everyone was calling it anyway.

    Money has become the greatest obstacle to any human endeavour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Boo-hoo! Call it what you like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    bonerm wrote: »
    I'd agree with the notion of trying to get people to continue calling the place "Lansdowne Road" except the campaign o2 have done to destroy all reminents of the name "The Point" have me convinced it's like pissing against the wind and that Aviva will eventually win out. My belief that most people are mindless sheep only increased with O2's masterstroke.

    BTW has anyone else noticed that the finished stadium looks exaclty like a giant glass hospital bedpan? Perhaps that's the name we should give it if we can't get "Lansdowne" to stick? How about "€80 to watch some shít in the bedpan". Could it catch on? :confused: I'm certainly never going to call it by its slave name anyway.

    I live near the new stadium, its like a monster rising into the sky. It's already been called the 'new' Lansdowne Rd by locals. Corporate sponsors are wasting their time.
    And same for 'The Point'. I've never come across a person yet who referred it as the 'O2'.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Henry Petty-FitzMaurice (1816-1863), 4th Lord Lansdowne: 19th-century capitalist.

    Aviva plc: 21st-century capitalists.


    Nothing to romanticise. Move along.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    Maybe Lansdowne Marketing will buy the rights to name it when the Aviva deal is done and we will be sorted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    dresden8 wrote: »

    Usually have a lot of time for Fintan, but he fncked up on this one.


    Except, it was VINCENT BROWNE who wrote the article!


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