James Bulger murderer Jon Venables returned to prison

HalloweenJack · 02-03-2010 11:56PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Looks like he has been naughty again and broke some of his T&C

Did he watch Child's Play again?

Biggins · 03-03-2010 12:00AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

Forgive me for asking but how is his ID ruined. unless the prison tells the other prisoners who he is.... ????

This is guess but maybe one of the ways is that because of whom he is and his actual crime history, the media is going to report on him.
That being the case, those already inside or going in, will acknowledge the day he was returned to a cell as mentioned in the media or papers they get inside.
They could look at those that came in that day within the 4 walls and come to some assessment to which newcomer it might be.
Once they work out by process of elimination who came in that day, they would get his new name and make it well known...

...but all the above is just a guess and open to be wrong.

Joey the lips · 03-03-2010 12:04AM

Biggins wrote: »

This is guess but maybe one of the ways is that because of whom he is and his actual crime history, the media is going to report on him.
That being the case, those already inside or going in, will acknowledge the day he was returned to a cell as mentioned in the media or papers they get inside.
They could look at those that came in that day within the 4 walls and come to some assessment to which newcomer it might be.
Once they work out by process of elimination who came in that day, they would get his new name and make it well known...

...but all the above is just a guess and open to be wrong.

Thats reasonable but hardly will happen. They can say many things for example he can be listed as a transfere.... I am sure there is many more things they can say...

Naos · 03-03-2010 12:04AM

hitlersson666 wrote: »

I just hope someone shoves batteries up his anus and then............
stab him with a home made shank,
while beating him with a pipe,
then someone slitting his throat,
all while being raped :rolleyes:

I hope anyway

hitlersson666 wrote: »

Fine
I hope they tare his finger nails off and pour vinger over the stubs!
then they start cutting his testicles off and his penis! anfter the penis is removed they rape him with it, after then for intensed pleasure thet put his nipples off. while they spoon his eyes out!!!!!! do you want it MORE GRAPHIC because i will!

Please stop, that's just embarrassing.

Run_to_da_hills · 03-03-2010 12:08AM

For those unfamiliar with this case, the Mail gives a more detail account on the background and includes a timeline.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254956/Jon-Venables-killer-James-Bulger-returned-prison.html

Biggins · 03-03-2010 12:09AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

Thats reasonable but hardly will happen. They can say many things for example he can be listed as a transfere.... I am sure there is many more things they can say...

Very true. People can be very crafty however in working out the real truth and there might be no love lost between the returning chap and those guarding him either.
A nod of a head at the right time is all it takes. Again - just possibilities to guess at.

brendansmith · 03-03-2010 12:11AM

Cut off his mickey and cellotape it across his face
then shove a copy of 'the wind that shakes the barley' down his bum hole
Ask him what his favourite sweets are, buy some, and eat them in front of him without giving him any.
Sing 'i will always love you' to him and ask him to join in.

Joey the lips · 03-03-2010 12:11AM

Biggins wrote: »

Very true. People can be very crafty however in working out the real truth and there might be no love lost between the returning chap and those guarding him either.
A nod of a head at the right time is all it takes. Again - just possibilities to guess at.

Yes I agree... But I honestly cannot see his ID being shot... on a personel basis I hope it is but thats unchristian of me

Anyway.... I think it wrong we dont know why he is back in...

bonerm · 03-03-2010 12:18AM

brendansmith wrote: »

Cut off his mickey and cellotape it across his face
then shove a copy of 'the wind that shakes the barley' down his bum hole
Ask him what his favourite sweets are, buy some, and eat them in front of him without giving him any.
Sing 'i will always love you' to him and ask him to join in.

Fair enough with the first two, but after that you're just being nasty.

aDeener · 03-03-2010 12:20AM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Why? Did he murder a little boy again?

In fairness, the report doesn't say exactly what he did to be recalled to prison.

you can be sure it wasnt for helping an old lady across the road anyway

aDeener · 03-03-2010 12:22AM

Its great to see how much of a success his rehabilitation has been

Gang of Gin · 03-03-2010 12:22AM

brendansmith wrote: »

Cut off his mickey and cellotape it across his face
then shove a copy of 'the wind that shakes the barley' down his bum hole
Ask him what his favourite sweets are, buy some, and eat them in front of him without giving him any.
Sing 'i will always love you' to him and ask him to join in.

Okay, wonderful. No one will better that! You've submitted the most puerile entry.
The use of the word 'mickey' kind of disturbs me too. Very Brendan O'Carroll - the bastion of all that's unfunny and puerile and never knows when to call it enough.

Senna · 03-03-2010 12:32AM

Good. I hope the police were watching him like a hawk, waiting for him to breach a term of his release, no mater how small.

stovelid · 03-03-2010 12:34AM

hitlersson666 wrote: »

Fine
I hope they tare his finger nails off and pour vinger over the stubs!
then they start cutting his testicles off and his penis! anfter the penis is removed they rape him with it, after then for intensed pleasure thet put his nipples off. while they spoon his eyes out!!!!!! do you want it MORE GRAPHIC because i will!

I'm getting hard here. Is this wrong?

Royale with Cheese · 03-03-2010 12:37AM

Very few things in life really shock or upset me. The murder of Jamie Bulger is one of them. I'd write about all the apt punishments he should suffer, but sure I'll let other people do a better job of it.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 03-03-2010 12:53AM

minidazzler wrote: »

What he did was horrible, but he was a fcuking child when he did it.

I've never, ever disagreed with you & would say your one of the most level headed people I know from boards.ie.

But, your wrong.

The case stir's so much emotion in me, I remember very clearly lying on my bed talking to my father when this broke on the news.

At the time there was a lot of child kidnapping in the UK (mainly England) and the police were gaining some success breaking up Pedo-rings.

When I seen the CCTV footage of the abduction I remember saying to my father "if they're going to kill him I hope its soon and quick for the childs sake".

Personally I feel these two are evil bastards that should never smell freedom again.

dsmythy · 03-03-2010 01:12AM

They had both gotten involved in drug dealing after their release so I'm guessing it's drug related.

FlawedGenius · 03-03-2010 01:15AM

I dont know how anybody can say, well maybe theyve changed or been reformed. Its even more sickening that they did it when they were kids. There evil, and always will be. They get off so lightly which makes it even more depressing. They deserve life in prison at the minimum.
I know its "after hours" but I think its just wrong to make jokes about it.Heres a good documentary I just watched....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX8syQSwNYM

Dublin_Gunner · 03-03-2010 01:18AM

Those two little fcukers should have been put to sleep as as soon as they were caught.

If they were capable of that level of evil at 10 years of age, there's no hope.

Dudess · 03-03-2010 01:21AM

GerCPM wrote: »

I dont know how anybody can say, well maybe theyve changed or been reformed.

Why not? Maybe they have?

There evil, and always will be.

You don't know at all whether that's true or not.

They were 10 then, they're in the second half of their 20s now - who HASN'T changed massively during those years? How do you know they're not overwhelmed with remorse every second of the day? Not for getting caught but simply for what they did to that little boy?
I agree there's also a chance they're not, but unless you're a child psychiatrist you can't tell... It's easy to believe they're evil children who grew into evil monsters - if only things were that straightforward though...

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 03-03-2010 01:23AM

They were dirty rotten bastard kids, but they were kids all the same
It wouldn't be right to lock up a kid for the rest of his natural life for a murder, even a sick one, because they are a blank canvas at that stage. I'm assuming that before being let out they had to undergo severe psychological testing, the state is at an obligation to let them go after time has been served and they don't pose a threat.
Dunno what he did to get sent back but I have no doubt that he deserved it. But kids are kids, they had to get out some time

wes · 03-03-2010 01:24AM

Dudess wrote: »

Why not? Maybe they have?

You don't know at well whether that's true or not.

While I am sympathetic to a lot of what you say, one of them is going back to prison. So it looks like in one case it didn't take.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 03-03-2010 01:29AM

Dudess wrote: »

They were 10 then, they're in the second half of their 20s now - who HASN'T changed massively during those years?

I believe our past helps make us into the people we are today.

Their past is evil, and evil begets evil.

As a parent of two children I don't believe child killers should be given a second chance - even child child killers.

minidazzler · 03-03-2010 01:32AM

Tiana Odd Starvation wrote: »

I've never, ever disagreed with you & would say your one of the most level headed people I know from boards.ie.

But, your wrong.

The case stir's so much emotion in me, I remember very clearly lying on my bed talking to my father when this broke on the news.

At the time there was a lot of child kidnapping in the UK (mainly England) and the police were gaining some success breaking up Pedo-rings.

When I seen the CCTV footage of the abduction I remember saying to my father "if they're going to kill him I hope its soon and quick for the childs sake".

Personally I feel these two are evil bastards that should never smell freedom again.

See, I would totally agree with you except for the fact he was extremely young when he did it.

I don't hold much faith in the rehabilitation of people in prisons, but the fact he was so young, I do think he could totally change his personality. Puberty is basically a huge shuffle in personality. I know I completely changed during it.

I don't even nearly condone what he did, I believe that what he did was evil and absolutely unforgivable.

But I also believe that given his age, he could change. I do think he could have been rehabilitated. I don't know if he was, but I do think he could have been.

All this is from virtue of his age.

If it had been a grown man, or older boy I would be one of the people calling for his immense pain, but he was 10 years old.

These kids were fcuked up, whether by nature or nurture I don't know. I don't believe in second chances usually in these situations, but this was not a usual situation, premeditated though it was, I think that after they grew up and were assessed thoroughly being freed was the only real thing that could be done.

Most people would not agree with me, I know that, and I don't expect them too. But my view is him being freed wasn't a bad idea as long as he was thoroughly and properly assessed for re-emergence into society.

FlawedGenius · 03-03-2010 01:33AM

Dudess wrote: »

Why not? Maybe they have?

You don't know at well whether that's true or not.

They were 10 then, they're in the second half of their 20s now - who HASN'T changed massively during those years? How do you know they're not overwhelmed with remorse every second of the day? Not for getting caught but simply for what they did to that little boy?
I agree there's also a chance they're not, but unless you're a child psychiatrist you can't tell... It's easy to believe they're evil children who grew into evil monsters - if only things were that straightforward though...

Whether they have changed or not, they should still have spent the rest of their lives in prison. Being evil is something your born with I think, its incurable, like being gay. I havent heard of much murderers or serial killers who ever showed any remorse. Any 10 year old who enjoys torturing a toddler is seriously fcuked up and its not something theyl grow out of like robbing sweets in a shop. Im not a child pschiatrist but Id say theyd say the same thing.

hooradiation · 03-03-2010 01:34AM

Now, i could apply reason and common sense to this or i could get on the knuckleheaded bandwagon an..RABBLERABBLERABBLE MURDER THEM IN A HORRIBLE FASHION...THAT'LL SHOW THEM WHO'S AN UNSTABLE VIOLENT MONSTER!

god this is fun!

Bodhisopha · 03-03-2010 01:34AM

wes wrote: »

While I am sympathetic to a lot of what you say, one of them is going back to prison. So it looks like in one case it didn't take.

Not all prisoners are evil.

It's hardly surprising someone who has been jailed from the age of 10 is going back to prison. Doesn't mean they're evil and feel no remorse.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 03-03-2010 01:37AM

Tiana Odd Starvation wrote: »

I believe our past helps make us into the people we are today.

Their past is evil, and evil begets evil.

As a parent of two children I don't believe child killers should be given a second chance - even child child killers.

Perhaps my opinion may change when and if I have kids but I just cannot believe otherwise than at that young age, there should be special considerations

No doubt they knew what they were doing was very very wrong and as such should have been punished in a severe manner, but to come about with that way of thinking to commit the crime in the first place??
If they were severely psychotic they would have spent their time in institutions and I have absolutely no doubt that they would have seen the foremost 'mind experts' in the UK
But I really think they were very stupid and brought up very recklessly, but at that young age, that there was time to save them. As Dudess said how do we know they aren't riddled with guilt for what they did to that poor boy.

I'm relying on the intelligence of the relevant authorities here (and lets not get flippant about that) but if they weren't genuinely remorseful and rehabilitated I don't think they would be released.

There's good and bad in everyone, you just need to have your good side nurtured from an early age

Dudess · 03-03-2010 01:38AM

Tiana Odd Starvation wrote: »

I believe our past helps make us into the people we are today.

... which would include being a remorse-filled person spending day in, day out trying to atone.

GerCPM wrote: »

Whether they have changed or not, they should still have spent the rest of their lives in prison. Being evil is something your born with I think, its incurable, like being gay. I havent heard of much murderers or serial killers who ever showed any remorse. Any 10 year old who enjoys torturing a toddler is seriously fcuked up and its not something theyl grow out of like robbing sweets in a shop. Im not a child pschiatrist but Id say theyd say the same thing.

Much of that is just pure speculation...

Of course they could still be despicable ****ers, but there's a chance they AREN'T. Just because we want them to be, because it makes things more straightforward, doesn't mean it's true.

brendansmith · 03-03-2010 01:42AM

I have never killed a child, the thought has never crossed my mind.
I have never even killed a child in the heat of a moment or by accident. I dont think alot of people have killed a child.

However these two young boys schemed and planned to take a child and kill him and at no point on that afternoon thought 'Christ, what are we doing? Lets stop!' They inserted batteries into him and threw bricks at his head and upon seeing blood continued to throw bricks at poor Jamies head until he was dead. They then left him there and went about their business.

Those two boys may have been 10 years old but I think that makes to worst than if they were middle-aged with warped concepts having matured over the decades. Those two murderers should not be allowed go unsupervised ever. If they are capable of that at 10 years old, who knows what else they are capable of at this stage.

James Bulger murderer Jon Venables returned to prison

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