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Would you like a Sub forum for the Superthreads..?

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  • #62
    Dub13
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dub13


    No
    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    This is still pretty muddled to be fair, the Admin team didn't suggest this change. As such, they don't have to take any advice on anything if the consensus amongst you lot is that there is no need for structural change to the forum.

    But thats the thing there is no consensus amongst the soccer mods,I am not sure what that means maybe its a bad idea but about 50% of the forum seem to like it.

    On the thread going on feedback a Admin suggested we put this to a vote on the forum,thats what prompted me to post this.

    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    I am of course aware that you have been angling to do this for some time, and you will know that I have been steadfastly against ANY splitting out of the forum any time it was raised. For me the key is in the fact that you described the change as "major" above. I do believe that it would set the forum towards something that is very different to the soccer forum on boards.ie as we currently know it. The place has problems, but this change would only serve to undermine its biggest strengths.

    In the main I am also steadfastly against splitting the forum,in saying that the super threads are holding the forum back IMO and this proposal would give the forum more room to grow.


  • #63
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    When any forum on the internet gets big enough to have the traffic to subdivide, they subdivide. I don't see what the soccer mods are doing trying to invent another solution when the simple solution already works around the world.

    There is such a thing as overthinking a problem (and I wouldn't call the soccer mod team overzealous overthinkers in the first place).


  • #64
    daithijjj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    I voted no.

    I think having a match thread sticky (or whatever), where all match threads go would free up enough room. But thats all i would change.


  • #65
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,661 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    astrofool wrote: »
    I'd disagree with almost everything LuckyLloyd has said above. If the soccer mod/admin team had the wherewithall to do it, the soccer forum would have been subdivided in some way years and years ago, and have a much larger community as a result. As it is, more have left than have stayed, and we get the same tired arguments week after week in the superthreads dominating the forum.

    The objective has never been to have the largest community possible.
    astrofool wrote: »
    When any forum on the internet gets big enough to have the traffic to subdivide, they subdivide. I don't see what the soccer mods are doing trying to invent another solution when the simple solution already works around the world.

    There is such a thing as overthinking a problem (and I wouldn't call the soccer mod team overzealous overthinkers in the first place).

    The objective has never been to mimick what other soccer forums on the Internet do.


  • #66
    Mars Bar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,202 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar


    No
    Liam O wrote: »
    personally I think that would be a better idea than moving the superthreads. Move match discussion to one forum and leave one for general discussion imo.

    +1 on this.

    Then 24 - 48 hours later, the thread is closed.


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  • #67
    magma69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    No
    I would like to see it tbh. Sometimes there is much chat about the business end of things at a club which I have very little interest in. If there was a sub forum for clubs finances/income etc and maybe tactics/team selection etc and one for everything else I think it would make for a more specified conversation which would suit some people better.

    Just my opinion, only speaking for myself.


  • #68
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,773 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    This is a laughable imo. The superthreads are holding the forum back? So putting them in a subforum without the ability to start thread is a solution? Rubbish, it's small minded and the clinging on mentality.

    Either leave it as it is or sort it out properly, the reason the superthreads are 'holding the forum back' is that trying to keep all discussion in them forces them to be busy. The 'problem' was created by having superthreads, hiding them in a subforum but not allowing other discussion there is an incredibly random stop gap solution.


  • #69
    Frisbee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,577 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    The objective has never been to mimick what other soccer forums on the Internet do.

    And thank god for that. The absolute drivel that get spouted on some of the Arsenal only sites embarrasses me.


  • #70
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    The objective has never been to have the largest community possible.

    The objective has never been to mimick what other soccer forums on the Internet do.

    I don't mention soccer forum, ANY forum on the internet, including those on boards have been through this and grown as a result, usually for the better.

    If the main forum is getting cluttered by random cr*p super-threads (observe the punctuation carefully), then it needs to expand, I really don't understand why LOI doesn't have it's own forum for example, there's enough fans and traffic for it, and it'd be nice to have an LOI thread not descend into armchair/GAA fans arguments.


  • #71
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,661 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    astrofool wrote: »
    I don't mention soccer forum, ANY forum on the internet, including those on boards have been through this and grown as a result, usually for the better.

    If the main forum is getting cluttered by random cr*p super-threads (observe the punctuation carefully), then it needs to expand, I really don't understand why LOI doesn't have it's own forum for example, there's enough fans and traffic for it, and it'd be nice to have an LOI thread not descend into armchair/GAA fans arguments.

    Are you suggesting that the soccer forum is not unique in character or nature as compared to other forums on the Internet? That there is nothing particular about the way the subject affects those interested in it (i.e. the amount of extreme emotion involved)?


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  • #72
    jesus_thats_gre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Having sub forums to replace the superthreads strike me as making sense..


  • #73
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,773 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    jesus_thats_gre wrote: »
    Having sub forums to replace the superthreads strike me as making sense..

    that could make sense and I think it's what a number or people think they are voting for, but it's not what is being suggested.

    What's being suggested is moving all the superthreads, to a 'superthreads' forum, where only superthreads would exist and no other threads could be created.


  • #74
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    No
    If it is just the Superthreads and there will be no option to add new threads, I don't see a problem.

    8 of the threads on the first page are Super threads and Leeds just after it, 10 aren't.

    Most who use them, will either have subscribed to them or will go to the new sub forum, so it shouldn't be a problem. All the super threads will be together which will be good to keep up on the latest club news as well.

    Can't really see a problem other than fear of change.

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  • #75
    sprinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭sprinkles


    For what it's worth, I voted no. If the front page is swamped I click on the > arrow at the bottom to move to page 2. Just as easy as clicking on the subforum link....


  • #76
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Are you suggesting that the soccer forum is not unique in character or nature as compared to other forums on the Internet? That there is nothing particular about the way the subject affects those interested in it (i.e. the amount of extreme emotion involved)?

    What exactly is your argument to the contrary here? Rather than try and goad me into statements you can refute, lay out your stall and fight that corner. You know first hand the extreme emotion that goes into the soccer forum, but I've seen this on lots of other forums.


  • #77
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    how can splitting be the way forward for the community?

    alot of users come on to talk in their teams super thread and post on other threads that catch their eye, id they have no reason to come to the actual soccer forum and only visit their own teams thread then this place will be quieter, easier to manage, maybe, but something will be lost i feel

    the super threads werent the best idea in the first place but now sweeping them under the rug is hardly the solution

    i enjoy reading others opinions, i mean the opposing supporters who will frequent the United superthread, and i am sure they will not be around as much if we are segregated

    i also like the front page the way it is, if a thread is interesting enough to posters here it will be posted in regularly and wont disappear from the front page, if a thread does move, then all you have to do is click the next page button and you have it! surely easier then having more sub forums

    id be more open to the match threads being moved as has been mentioned, no harm in having them in a sub forum thats easily accessed as they will have a relatively short life span


  • #78
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I must say for years I've been against the idea of sub-forums, because I don't want to see the inter-club nature of discussion gone.

    However, recently I have found that superthreads are becoming more and more difficult to follow due to the sheer volume of posts.

    However, I don't see how putting Superthreads in a sub-forum would fix anything though. It would simply move them slightly. I don't think discussion is being stopped because the page is filled with superthreads. Then again, I don't really expect this move to make any real difference except adding another click to get to it.

    I voted no, but still think the issue might need to be looked at.


  • #79
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Could I suggest, either way, if people think there's not enough space for threads, that you take the below threads off-sticky. Then there's 2 extra spaces.

    ****PLEASE READ**** Forum update from the mod team 15/11/09
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  • #80
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,661 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    astrofool wrote: »
    What exactly is your argument to the contrary here? Rather than try and goad me into statements you can refute, lay out your stall and fight that corner. You know first hand the extreme emotion that goes into the soccer forum, but I've seen this on lots of other forums.

    My argument has been expressed numerous times over the past few years. The soccer forum we have here in its current format is genuinely unique relative to pretty much 95%+ of football forums on the Internet, and I am convinced it is better than 95% of football forums on the Internet because of that. Fans discussing their club with other fans of their club leads to the most stinted and pathetic chat. Any step towards splitting out and categorising the forum would be a significant step backwards in terms of the forum's overall quality.

    Arguing that 'this is what other forums do you know' is a reason against doing it as far as I'm concerned. We should be looking at other football forums on the Internet and actively doing the opposite.


  • #81
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    jesus_thats_gre wrote: »
    Having sub forums to replace the superthreads strike me as making sense..

    Have a look at this thread for that sort of thinking


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  • #82
    Spiritoftheseventies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    No
    Dub13 wrote: »
    I personally think yes this is a win win situation,if you don't like the super threads they are gone out of sight leaving the forum more room.And yes they can take up a lot of room on the main page.

    I follow my threads via the User CP so I will be brought to the super threads I post in automatically,so it does not matter what forum they are in.
    To be honest Dub13 there are far too many threads being opened. Thats just my opinion. Only way around it are sub forums for the big four forums (United, Pool, Chelsea, Arsenal). that would free up your thread space. You have my blessing whatever happens.


  • #83
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    To be honest Dub13 there are far too many threads being opened. Thats just my opinion. Only way around it are sub forums for the big four forums (United, Pool, Chelsea, Arsenal). that would free up your thread space.You have my blessing whatever happens.
    hahahaha


  • #84
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    No from me.

    I spend the majority of my time on the soccer forum in the Man Utd thread but I really enjoy popping into other threads when they catch my eye.

    If the superthreads were split off I would worry that the soccer forum would lose a lot of traffic from posters like me. The forum contributions would become less spontaneous and unpredictable imo, which would be a bad thing.

    The subconscious effects of having all threads in one place should not be overlooked.


  • #85
    jesus_thats_gre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    copacetic wrote: »
    that could make sense and I think it's what a number or people think they are voting for, but it's not what is being suggested.

    What's being suggested is moving all the superthreads, to a 'superthreads' forum, where only superthreads would exist and no other threads could be created.

    Ah ok.. I personally think that a sub forum could be created to replace each super thread. The super thread was a good idea but the issue of the same stuff being discussed over and over again is a major issue in my opinion.
    K-9 wrote: »
    If it is just the Superthreads and there will be no option to add new threads, I don't see a problem.

    8 of the threads on the first page are Super threads and Leeds just after it, 10 aren't.

    Most who use them, will either have subscribed to them or will go to the new sub forum, so it shouldn't be a problem. All the super threads will be together which will be good to keep up on the latest club news as well.

    Can't really see a problem other than fear of change.

    It strikes me as a somewhat pointless change to just move them into a sub-forum.


  • #86
    Spiritoftheseventies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    No
    jesus_thats_gre wrote: »
    Ah ok.. I personally think that a sub forum could be created to replace each super thread. The super thread was a good idea but the issue of the same stuff being discussed over and over again is a major issue in my opinion.



    It strikes me as a somewhat pointless change to just move them into a sub-forum.
    Agree with you there JTG in a way but as a means of arranging threads it seems a good idea to have the sub forums. Its all a bit messy at the moment. Btw great to have you back Lucky Lloyd. May be hope for this forum yet ;)


  • #87
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,430 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    To be honest Dub13 there are far too many threads being opened. Thats just my opinion. Only way around it are sub forums for the big four forums (United, Pool, Chelsea, Arsenal). that would free up your thread space. You have my blessing whatever happens.

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:D


  • #88
    CHD
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:D
    Could have just thanked Mr Alan. The ganging up on SOTS is a bit ghey tbh.


  • #89
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,430 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    CHD wrote: »
    Could have just thanked Mr Alan. The ganging up on SOTS is a bit ghey tbh.

    didn't read Mr. Alans reply so i have now thanked it, thank you for bringing it to my attention.


  • #90
    CHD
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    didn't read Mr. Alans reply so i have now thanked it, thank you for bringing it to my attention.
    lol ok.


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  • #91
    daithijjj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    CHD wrote: »
    Could have just thanked Mr Alan. The ganging up on SOTS is a bit ghey tbh.

    Its more than 'a bit' ghey.


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