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Why do they bother?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭Beezkneez!


    Why not give it a bash like - life is abit short now to be worried about coming last - olympics is all about participation and the enjoyment of sport. Fair play to all the Irish out there giving it socks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 884 ✭✭✭ya-ba-da-ba-doo


    donfers wrote: »
    The Winter Olympics is on at the moment. I was up late last night and caught a glimpse of the Irish ladies bobsleigh team. I wanted them to do well but didn't expect them to do well. However I am no expert at bobsleigh but the driver couldn't even jump into the bobsleigh properly and they are in last place at the moment and way way off the pace.

    This is not a gender thing so please if anyone wants to spark a gender debate/war or accuse me of whatever spare your breath. I'm sure and Irish men's bobsleigh team would be equally as embarrassing.

    I just want to know why do they bother? To fight for last place? To gain experience? In a million years these girls won't get close to a medal.

    I do need clarification on two matters

    1) there was a lot of controversy about their qualification. Were they just shoehorned into the competition to get a new country involved? If so, I completely disagree with this but I do know there were complaints and appeals about Ireland's participation in this event.

    2) Is the taxpayer funding their participation. I don't know if they are receiving grants from the sports council of Ireland or if the taxpayer is funding them through the Olympic Council of Ireland. If so, then please invest the resources somewhere more worthwhile as this is a complete waste of time and money and a real token representation in my view.

    Anyway my main query is why? So they can have a laugh and a party in Vancouver and try not to come last? If so this doesn't justify the funding in my view.

    You're pathetic and completely oblivious to your own ignorance. What sport have you represented your country at?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭eddie the eagle


    Oh pardon me! I didn't realise that two pasty white girls in a sled could make you blush.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭juvenal


    They bother because they've invested a hell of a lot of time and effort and made a lot of sacrifices to compete in their chosen discipline at the very highest level.

    In countries like Ireland, winter sports are an extremely niche enterprise. In my opinion, an Irish bobsleigh team placing in the top twenty in a great achievement, considering that describing it as a minority sport would be generous in the extreme. I'm living here in Canada, and last night in my place of business I was having a bit of banter with locals about the concept of an Irish Winter Olympic team and that we have six athletes representing the country. Lo and behold, the Irish girls came on live television after the US and the Canadians and the Swiss and the Russians, and everyone stopped and watched. That they were over three seconds outside the lead wasn't a factor for the Canadians who watched, it was the fact that a team from outside the traditional countries with a tiny population and no history of winter sports were competing at the highest level. Alas, this appears to be lost of some of the people at home, who know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

    Here, the level of expectation that surrounds each home athlete is enormous at the moment. Although if they don't win gold, sure there's a little disappointment, but Canadians are generally reflective rather than begrudging. They know that the athlete gave their all, represented their country with pride and honour, and is competing at a level that 99.99% of people wouldn't even bother dreaming of.

    I can bet you that the thing top athletes in any sport respect more than achievments, records and medals is courage and determination. Of course it's easier to be the best when you are a child blessed with natural talent and your family have the resources to provide you with top training and equipment and all the opportunities you need to succeed. But what about the people who just taking part is a daily struggle? What about Marjan Kalhor? Should be be denied a chance to be the best she can be because she'd unlikely to medal? What about Eric Moussambani, who had never seen an Olympic swimming pool, let alone have the chance to swim in one?

    I don't buy into misty-eyed romance stories that the media sell when it comes to sport, but last night a young girl took the ice, and no matter what the result, she's an Olympic champion in my eyes. Joannie Rochette is a 24 year old figure skater from Montreal, and has probably spent most of her life practicing to skate at the very highest level. Everything was going to plan, she was in Vancouver, feeling good, and her friends and family were arriving in to see her skate. Her parents arrived in Vancouver last Saturday, but within a few hours her mother had a heart attack and died early Sunday morning. She didn't even get to see her daughter before she passed away.

    Now Joannie is ranked #5 in the world, and a good shot at a medal, but if she had decided to withdraw after that tragedy no one would have batted an eyelid. No fan or athlete would have berated her for giving up, or questioned her determination had she quit. She decided to go on, and performed her short program last night. I can't imagine what it would be like to go through this; standing out in the middle of a vast bright rink, spotlights on you, waiting for the music to start, the television coverage being beamed around the world and a packed house of fans and media. Looking into the vast darkness of the stands, it must have been a very lonely place. But she persevered, and nailed her routine. She stands third halfway through the competition.

    She may falter in the more difficult long program, but no matter what her position on the scoreboard, she's already dealt with more during these Olympics than anyone else we know of. And for that, she is a champion.

    Perhaps the OP would favour a situation where the top three athletes/teams in a chosen sport are sent to the Olympics/World Cup/World Championships etc and they battle it out for the spots on the podium. Sure why bother sending anyone else if they're not going to medal? Because the inherent value of sport is not about being the best, it's about being the best that you can be.

    The price of success is hard work, dedication to the job at hand, and the determination that
    whether we win or lose, we have applied the best of ourselves to the task at hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    I think its a fantastic achievement and not an embarassment at al, they made it to the olympics didnt they?

    I hope they do better in 2014.

    On another note its about time to get an Irish Curling team ready for 2014?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I cant relate. Too busy browsing images of Lindsay Vonn.... :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    They're not fighting for last place, they're fighting for first place but not getting there.

    nice. It reminds me of the Buzz lightyear quote from toy story "flying is just falling in a controlled way".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    OP is right. You can't punch someone in the head with a bobsleigh and we can't make it faster by injecting it with drugs, so I don't see how we're ever going to win gold in this event? :confused:

    However, I do wish we had a top class Ice-hockey team. Now that's truely the sport of kings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭thetonynator


    basically, what you're saying is that in each competitive sport in the world there should only be 3 participants. there should only be 3 100m sprinters, 3 marathon runners, 3 swimmers in each distance, 3 boxers in each weight. . .

    Don't be ridiculous.

    Well done to them, 17th in a heat isn't bad either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    basically, what you're saying is that in each competitive sport in the world there should only be 3 participants. there should only be 3 100m sprinters, 3 marathon runners, 3 swimmers in each distance, 3 boxers in each weight. . .

    Don't be ridiculous.

    Don't be ridiculous. That's far too restrictive.

    You can have four boxers in each weight .... as both semi-final losers get a bronze. Would certainly make the opening ceremony less tedious anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭Elessar


    I'll give them both gold medals if they get real jobs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭thetonynator


    bonerm wrote: »
    Don't be ridiculous. That's far too restrictive.

    You can have four boxers in each weight .... as both semi-final losers get a bronze. Would certainly make the opening ceremony less tedious anyway.

    My mistake sorry :D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭juvenal


    Elessar wrote: »
    I'll give them both gold medals if they get real jobs.

    So Olympic athletes along with being an accountant and an administrator for the AAI isn't enough of a workload for you?:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    2009/ 2010 World Rankings
    They no way the worst team in existence. They made it to the Olympics on merit, which is one up on the Aussies who had to complain to get let in.
    InTheTrees wrote: »
    nice. It reminds me of the Buzz lightyear quote from toy story "flying is just falling in a controlled way".

    I think he stole that line from Ford Prefect. "Flying is throwing yourself at the ground and missing", or something along those lines.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    You're pathetic and completely oblivious to your own ignorance. What sport have you represented your country at?

    you're right, I am a bit pathetic and bitter

    I have been Munster tiddlywinks champion 4 years in a row and despite my requests for Olympic Council of Ireland funding and despite my pestering the International Olympic Committee to make it an Olympic Sport, nothing..pah!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    We should leave the Winter Olympics to the proper Whites.




    There, I said it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    donfers wrote: »
    The Winter Olympics is on at the moment. I was up late last night and caught a glimpse of the Irish ladies bobsleigh team. I wanted them to do well but didn't expect them to do well. However I am no expert at bobsleigh but the driver couldn't even jump into the bobsleigh properly and they are in last place at the moment and way way off the pace.

    This is not a gender thing so please if anyone wants to spark a gender debate/war or accuse me of whatever spare your breath. I'm sure and Irish men's bobsleigh team would be equally as embarrassing.

    I just want to know why do they bother? To fight for last place? To gain experience? In a million years these girls won't get close to a medal.

    I do need clarification on two matters

    1) there was a lot of controversy about their qualification. Were they just shoehorned into the competition to get a new country involved? If so, I completely disagree with this but I do know there were complaints and appeals about Ireland's participation in this event.

    2) Is the taxpayer funding their participation. I don't know if they are receiving grants from the sports council of Ireland or if the taxpayer is funding them through the Olympic Council of Ireland. If so, then please invest the resources somewhere more worthwhile as this is a complete waste of time and money and a real token representation in my view.

    Anyway my main query is why? So they can have a laugh and a party in Vancouver and try not to come last? If so this doesn't justify the funding in my view.
    Joking aside, you basically represent every attitude that is Wrong with your Country and its only happened in the last few years. You guys used to be proud. Now you're just like "Why fcuking bother doing anything?"

    Son I strongly recommend you view the list of Irish Athletes. And when they get back home, why don't you go fcuking ask them Why. Maybe they'll knock something into you, like Pride or Confidence, Integrity or Determination, with the answer they give you.

    Its for the same reason Ireland plays Soccer or Hurling or Enters the Summer Olympics. You might think "Oh well Soccer! We actually can half-play Soccer!" Well yeah you can, but how would you have fcuking known it if you didn't participate in a slew of Early World Cup attempts where you had your ass handed to you? Give up when it gets hard much?

    I mean if you wanna talk Soccer, the US is still an embarrassment but fcuk me if they aren't constantly trying to improve themselves. Fair play. Which reminds me of who's in it this year and who is not ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    On the subject of whether the OP ever got into a Bobsleigh.

    I think 5 or 6 Irish people from Dalkey have ever got into a Bobsleigh, and they are at the Olympics. So it is unlikely.

    The problem with the Winter Olympics is this: I can accept that the fastest man in the world is the winner of the 100 Meters.

    I cannot accept that the Irish Bobsleigh team is 20th in the world, they may not be even 20th in Ireland, they were the best in Ireland of people who ever got into a BobSleigh. We can all run. Bobsleighs are useless without snow. And it doesnt snow here.

    And as for the rest of the world? i mean who knows. Maybe the best natural skier is in Mayo, or Venuzuala, or Jakarta slum. Who knows? If so he probably never got on a ski slope. But anybody can run.

    The winter Olympics are a playground for the rich, and the idle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The Olympics are about pushing the Limits of the Human Body, and its a good attitude to have that Ireland wants to be in on that endeavour. I wouldnt call it idleness.

    Its harder to relate to the winter games than the summer games, but then we do strive to have all nations compete in most/all feats of strength/athletics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    Maybe they'll knock something into you, like Pride or Confidence, Integrity or Determination, with the answer they give you

    Horsepoo. The only thing we can get from the Irish bobsleigh team is that they were rich enough to get to own bobsleighs and travel periodically to countries where it actually snowed.

    Who gives a sh*t. The average worker makes more sacrifices on an average day.

    If Ireland produced the best summer Olympians I would be on their side. Little money is needed there.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Pittens wrote: »
    The winter Olympics are a playground for the rich, and the idle.

    .... and the dead. So clearly these sports are a bit more challenging than just getting out daddys chequebook and hopping on a plane.

    Besides, everything you've said above could be applied to both F1 racing, Rugby, Golf and Tennis and those four wouldn't be easily dismissed when discussing sport.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,921 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    Bonito wrote: »
    Hey! If Jamaica can bobsleigh why can't we?! :mad:

    'cos we don't have Usain Bolt to push us off at the start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Bodhisopha


    bonerm wrote: »
    .... and the dead. So clearly these sports are a bit more challenging than just getting out daddys chequebook and hopping on a plane.

    Besides, everything you've said above could be applied to both F1 racing, Rugby, Golf and Tennis and those four wouldn't be easily dismissed when discussing sport.


    Hence the domination of the ladies game by two black girls from compton L.A?

    It's not all Cliff Richard, strawberries and cream.

    You can have rugby, golf and F1 racing. They're all sh1t.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Pittens wrote: »
    On the subject of whether the OP ever got into a Bobsleigh.

    I think 5 or 6 Irish people from Dalkey have ever got into a Bobsleigh, and they are at the Olympics. So it is unlikely.

    That could be because there's no interest in it here. Having an Irish team partake in any sort of sport is a good thing, it shows youngsters that they can achieve something, even if it's prizeless

    I know a good few people that started playing cricket as a hobby just because of Ireland's involvement in the World Cup a few years ago,
    it's better to feel that something is worth doing rather than assuming it's not worth trying


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Pittens wrote: »
    Horsepoo. The only thing we can get from the Irish bobsleigh team is that they were rich enough to get to own bobsleighs and travel periodically to countries where it actually snowed.

    Who gives a sh*t. The average worker makes more sacrifices on an average day.

    If Ireland produced the best summer Olympians I would be on their side. Little money is needed there.
    Like I said, ask them. Ask them what it cost. I understand getting to the Continent can be quite cheap if you know what youre doing. I highly doubt its a Significant amount of money, if you're going to bitch and moan about tax dollars.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Bodhisopha wrote: »
    Hence the domination of the ladies game by two black girls from compton L.A?

    It's not all Cliff Richard, strawberries and cream.

    You can have rugby, golf and F1 racing. They're all sh1t.

    When I see two black girls from Ghana dominating the ladies game I might take your point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    No matter what happens if they get an epic slow clap at the end it'll all be worth it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Bodhisopha


    bonerm wrote: »
    When I see two black girls from Ghana dominating the ladies game I might take your point.

    Because black girls from compton are known to have full access to daddys chequebook and hopping on planes?

    This one, you lose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Overheal wrote: »
    Joking aside, you basically represent every attitude that is Wrong with your Country and its only happened in the last few years. You guys used to be proud. Now you're just like "Why fcuking bother doing anything?"

    Son I strongly recommend you view the list of Irish Athletes. And when they get back home, why don't you go fcuking ask them Why. Maybe they'll knock something into you, like Pride or Confidence, Integrity or Determination, with the answer they give you.

    Its for the same reason Ireland plays Soccer or Hurling or Enters the Summer Olympics. You might think "Oh well Soccer! We actually can half-play Soccer!" Well yeah you can, but how would you have fcuking known it if you didn't participate in a slew of Early World Cup attempts where you had your ass handed to you? Give up when it gets hard much?

    I mean if you wanna talk Soccer, the US is still an embarrassment but fcuk me if they aren't constantly trying to improve themselves. Fair play. Which reminds me of who's in it this year and who is not ;)

    Thats a great post.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Bodhisopha wrote: »
    Because black girls from compton are known to have full access to daddys chequebook and hopping on planes?

    This one, you lose.

    You started a sentence with "because". You lose ... at life.


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