Will Ireland ever be a 32 County Republic?

BOHtox · 24-02-2010 12:42AM

No not by any method, it will never happen.

Mike 1972 wrote: »

How do the respective literacy rates compare ?

I have a sstammmmer

m@cc@ · 24-02-2010 12:43AM

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

BOHtox wrote: »

I don't think a 32 county republic in the near future bbut in the next 100 years who know catholics have a much higher birth rrate than prodestants up north. I would like to hear the debates on repartition where we got nationalist majourity areas eg Derry , Newry and Fermanagh

We need your help folks, we need you to SHAG FOR IRELAND!!!

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 12:43AM

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Personally I don't think it really matters, all I care is that people on both sides are as happy as possible and most importantly living peacefully.

Are you competing for the Miss World Crown? Do you hope they find a cure for aids and eradicate world poverty too, eh?

Meanwhile, on planet earth...........

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 12:45AM

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

DazMarz wrote: »

No, and let's hope it never does. We need to add another million or so in population to this bloody country like we need a hole in our heads. Nope, we don't need the ''Occupied Six'' or the North or whatever you want to call it.

Chelsea fan?

Do you take the mick outta the Paddies when you are over at the bridge? Paddies cant govern themselves, innit.:rolleyes:

GLaDOS · 24-02-2010 12:52AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Are you competing for the Miss World Crown? Do you hope they find a cure for aids and eradicate world poverty too, eh?

Meanwhile, on planet earth...........

As a biologist, finding a cure for AIDS is of keen interest to me actually

m@cc@ · 24-02-2010 12:53AM

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

As a biologist, finding a cure for AIDS is of keen interest to me actually

I wouldn't mind poverty in the world being sorted out either.

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 12:55AM

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

m@cc@ wrote: »

I wouldn't mind poverty in the world being sorted out either.

I wouldnt mind a threesome with the two red haired twins out of Skins, but unfortunately, theres a slim chance of that ever happening too.

OxfordComma · 24-02-2010 12:57AM

In an ideal world, Ireland should be a 32 county republic - but it's definitely not happening anytime soon (if it ever happens, which is pretty doubtful). There are a lot of people living in Northern Ireland that want to remain a part of the UK, and Irish nationalists can't simply force their viewpoint upon them.

The fact that 6 counties aren't part of the Republic today really doesn't bother me all that much anyways. I'd much prefer a peaceful 6-county Northern Ireland over a 32 county republic in which the terrible bloodshed and violence of the past persists, and I think the main focus should be on ending the sectarianism in the North, because at the end of the day, preserving human life is far, far more important than achieving a 32 county republic (which is of minor importance by comparison).

liah · 24-02-2010 12:58AM

Doesn't interest me one way or the other, I just want peace.

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

What nation do you come from yourself?

Canada.

To content to whinge, eh?

The Irish nation has continually rebelled against British rule in Ireland. In 1641,1798,1803,1867 and 1916. After Bloody Sunday(1972) the British embassy in Dublin 4 was burnt to the ground. If it wasnt for the actions of the Gardai, each and every Brit inside the place would have been lynched. Not to mention the most recent conflict in the six or the Irish workers strike against South Africa and apartheid state . Hardly the actions of a nation of whingers.

Paddy has become a bit docile due to the last ten or fifteen years of relative prosperity. That will change over time. Paddy will get the bit between his teeth. God help the Irish government when they do!

Not what I meant re: your first bit; I know the Irish have a reason to be proud of their achievements in fighting back, but they're riding on the coattails of their former rebellions and are far too apathetic when it comes to their government in the last decade or so, nevermind something as potentially monumental as rejoining the 32 counties.

How do you know they have no support? It is impossible for an illegal guerrilla force to carry out operations without some level of support.

By the way, bombing strategic targets hurt the British establishment much more than a couple of dead squaddies. Theres no shortage of cannon fodder amongst the British working class.

The courthouse was hardly a strategic target. And it seems the majority of the Irish people are sick of bombings and violence. They may have some support but it'd be far, far into the minority-- Ireland is ready for a new, non-violent form of revolution, by the looks of it.

OutlawPete · 24-02-2010 01:01AM

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

JPA wrote: »

Should have an "I don't know" option.

If you don't know, then just don't take the Poll.

It's not compulsory.

BOHtox · 24-02-2010 01:02AM

No not by any method, it will never happen.

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

I wouldnt mind a threesome with the two red haired twins out of Skins, but unfortunately, theres a slim chance of that ever happening too.

I would like a menage a trois with cheryl cole and megan fox as were on the subject

lugha · 24-02-2010 01:02AM

1fahy4 wrote: »

In an ideal world, Ireland should be a 32 county republic

In an ideal world people wouldn't be determined to fix things that aren't broken. And Northern Ireland isn't broken in any way that saddling us with it is going to fix.

ScumLord · 24-02-2010 01:04AM

neil_hosey wrote: »

to you it might not. But I still passionately believe in a united ireland. i dont judge people that have no interest in it but I cant understand why not.

What difference does it make in a global culture what some piece of paper says about the ownership of a piece of land? I'm all for different cultures and love to travel to see them but the state just seems to be an excuse for self serving greed and conflict.

amacachi · 24-02-2010 01:05AM

liah wrote: »

The courthouse was hardly a strategic target. And it seems the majority of the Irish people are sick of bombings and violence. They may have some support but it'd be far, far into the minority-- Ireland is ready for a new, non-violent form of revolution, by the looks of it.

You have to try to get into these peoples' heads. I would guess it was an attack symbolising their refusal to recognise the authority of the UK Justice System. Or something like that, being around Diesel and Petrol fumes so much probably somewhat affects their thought processes.

dlofnep · 24-02-2010 01:05AM

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

Yes, it's inevitable.

But it might not be a single Government state - but rather Stormont and the Dáil legislating on certain issues, and then a higher body legislating more national issues. At least, that's how I'd see it happening, with an eventual transition to a single house. Votes for nationalist parties have increased by over 13% since 1982 - and that trend looks to continue to increase.

Yes - Irish unity will happen. It's just a matter for when.

BOHtox · 24-02-2010 01:05AM

No not by any method, it will never happen.

lugha wrote: »

In an ideal world people wouldn't be determined to fix things that aren't broken. And Northern Ireland isn't broken in any way that saddling us with it is going to fix.

not broken? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0223/newry.html

one example of not broken.

lugha · 24-02-2010 01:09AM

BOHtox wrote: »

not broken? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0223/newry.html

one example of not broken.

A united Ireland won't fix that. Only difference is that in a UI it would be Loyalists cutting loose on a terror campaign. And don't be so sure that the dissident republicans will all pack it in, if they don't get the UI that they want.

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 01:10AM

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

lugha wrote: »

In an ideal world people wouldn't be determined to fix things that aren't broken. And Northern Ireland isn't broken in any way that saddling us with it is going to fix.

Its a failed apartheid state. How else do you explain the big phuc off peace walls?:rolleyes:

lugha · 24-02-2010 01:11AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Its a failed apartheid state. How else do you explain the big phuc off peace walls?:rolleyes:

Once again, a UI won't fix that.

m@cc@ · 24-02-2010 01:12AM

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

What nation do you come from yourself?

liah wrote:

Location: Canadian in Mullingar.

It's a northern state in the US. :P

liah · 24-02-2010 01:18AM

Doesn't interest me one way or the other, I just want peace.

m@cc@ wrote: »

It's a northern state in the US. :P

Then you're a southern state of Britain.

At least Canada was never actually a part of the States..

m@cc@ · 24-02-2010 01:21AM

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

liah wrote: »

Then you're a southern state of Britain. At least Canada was never actually a part of the States..

I'm actually from the Northern state of Britain. The US was going to take over Canada but they couldn't find anything of use. Luckily they got as far as Alaska and found some oil. I'm only messing. It must be a bitch when people get you guys confused.

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 01:22AM

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

liah wrote: »

Canada.

Those in glasshouses.......

liah wrote: »

Not what I meant re: your first bit; I know the Irish have a reason to be proud of their achievements in fighting back, but they're riding on the coattails of their former rebellions and are far too apathetic when it comes to their government in the last decade or so, nevermind something as potentially monumental as rejoining the 32 counties.

As I said already the last decade or so of relative prosperity is a large factor in this. Ireland has changed from a relatively relaxed and friendly place to life into a country obsessed with meaningless sex, keeping up with the Jones' alcoholism, celebrity worship, sports worship, loyalty only to television shows, infidelity, materialism,greed and consumerism. Me Feinerism is also rife in Irish society, as we see here on a daily basis on Boards.

liah wrote: »

The courthouse was hardly a strategic target. And it seems the majority of the Irish people are sick of bombings and violence. They may have some support but it'd be far, far into the minority-- Ireland is ready for a new, non-violent form of revolution, by the looks of it.

You should read a History book. The Brits have never and will never succumb to non violent revolution.

The men of 1916 were pelted with rotten vegetables and the contents of chamber pots as they were marched away to Richmond Barracks. I am not comparing the men of 1916 to last nights assailants, just making the point that they had little or no support during that faithful week.

amacachi · 24-02-2010 01:23AM

liah wrote: »

Then you're a southern state of Britain. At least Canada was never actually a part of the States..

Have fun singing "God Save the Queen" the odd time ye do win at sport. :pac:

m@cc@ · 24-02-2010 01:24AM

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

amacachi wrote: »

Have fun singing "God Save the Queen" the odd time ye do win at sport. :pac:

Man, that's cold.

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 01:25AM

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

dlofnep wrote: »

Yes, it's inevitable.

But it might not be a single Government state - but rather Stormont and the Dáil legislating on certain issues, and then a higher body legislating more national issues. At least, that's how I'd see it happening, with an eventual transition to a single house. Votes for nationalist parties have increased by over 13% since 1982 - and that trend looks to continue to increase.

Yes - Irish unity will happen. It's just a matter for when.

We gave up our claims on the six when we agreed to drop articles 1 & 2. How is Irish unity going to happen?

liah · 24-02-2010 01:27AM

Doesn't interest me one way or the other, I just want peace.

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Those in glasshouses.......

Glass houses? What's that got to do with anything?

As I said already the last decade or so of relative prosperity is a large factor in this. Ireland has changed from a relatively relaxed and friendly place to life into a country obsessed with meaningless sex, keeping up with the Jones' alcoholism, celebrity worship, sports worship, loyalty only to television shows, infidelity, materialism,greed and consumerism. Me Feinerism is also rife in Irish society, as we see here on a daily basis on Boards.

Not going to comment on any of that, as it'd just lead down a bad road and doesn't have much to do with the topic at hand.

You should read a History book. The Brits have never and will never succumb to non violent revolution.

The men of 1916 were pelted with rotten vegetables and the contents of chamber pots as they were marched away to Richmond Barracks. I am not comparing the men of 1916 to last nights assailants, just making the point that they had little or no support during that faithful week.

If things stayed as written in history books, we'd all be sitting around a pile of rocks trying to figure out how to light a fire.

The world is built on change.

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 01:27AM

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

ScumLord wrote: »

What difference does it make in a global culture what some piece of paper says about the ownership of a piece of land? I'm all for different cultures and love to travel to see them but the state just seems to be an excuse for self serving greed and conflict.

Pass the reefer, maaaan.

amacachi · 24-02-2010 01:29AM

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

We gave up our claims on the six when we agreed to drop articles 1 & 2. How is Irish unity going to happen?

How does our claim on the 6 counties make any difference? Think it would influence the Brits' decision, since, at the end of the day, it is their decision.

IrishManSaipan · 24-02-2010 01:31AM

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

liah wrote: »

Glass houses? What's that got to do with anything?

Those in glasshouses, shouldnt throw stones. You are slating the Irish for their lack of passion, whilst Canadians are one of the most docile people on the planet.

liah wrote: »

Not going to comment on any of that, as it'd just lead down a bad road and doesn't have much to do with the topic at hand.

Sound.

liah wrote: »

If things stayed as written in history books, we'd all be sitting around a pile of rocks trying to figure out how to light a fire.

The world is built on change.

If previous generations took that attitude, we would still be under the thumb of John Bull.

Will Ireland ever be a 32 County Republic?

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