Will Ireland ever be a 32 County Republic?

OutlawPete

The Newry Courthouse thread seems to be throwing up the same old questions about what might and might not / should and should not happen with regards to Northern Ireland.

So, as the fate of Norther Ireland seems to be on a Democratic road at long last, let's put it to the Polls.

So, do you think Ireland will ever be a 32 County Republic?

Should it be?

Do you care either way?

ScumLord

It doesn't really matter in this day and age.

liah

Doesn't interest me one way or the other, I just want peace.

Ain't happening. At least not any time soon.

I'm going to get loads of abuse for this, but there's two reasons why:

1) The Irish have a habit of sitting and whinging and banging on about what a state the government is in, but when was the last time you saw anyone actually organizing a proper honest protest or doing something about it? They're too content to whinge instead of actually putting together any kind of positive action to throw into momentum any kind of movement or revolution.

2) When the Irish DO do something about it, it ends up being like that ridiculously retarded car bomb in Newry. Ridiculously retarded because it won't solve any problems, it just upsets people and turns them against the bombers, and thus the idea of a Republic. The theory goes "if you're not with them, you're against them," if they're trying to get people with them, juvenile temper tantrums and bombs aren't exactly going to work.

But I'm not allowed to say anything because I'm not Irish, right?

Besides.. do the Nordies even WANT to be part of the Republic?

Captain Slow IRL

Hopefully not, don't wanna have to get a ferry/plane to go to Asda.:)

neil_hosey

No not by any method, it will never happen.

ScumLord wrote: »

It doesn't really matter in this day and age.

to you it might not. But I still passionately believe in a united ireland. i dont judge people that have no interest in it but I cant understand why not.

lugha

OutlawPete wrote: »

So, do you think Ireland will ever be a 32 County Republic?

Should it be?

Do you care either way?

Yes. No. Yes.

arybvtcw0eolkf

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

ScumLord wrote: »

It doesn't really matter in this day and age.

Maybe tomorrow it'll matter.

I'd have liked a simple 'yes' in the poll.

My greatest concern for my children or my grandchilden is that the British withdraw and leave a devoided country in their wake.

GLaDOS

neil_hosey wrote: »

to you it might not. But I still passionately believe in a united ireland. Dont judge people that have no interest in it but I cant understand why not.

Personally I don't think it really matters, all I care is that people on both sides are as happy as possible and most importantly living peacefully.

My name is URL

No not by any method, it will never happen.

I'd love to see it happening.. It's ironic that the 'struggle' between each side is making it harder to reach a central point though, without all the crap we'd probably be closer to a common ideology than we are now

BOHtox

No not by any method, it will never happen.

I don't think a 32 county republic in the near future bbut in the next 100 years who know catholics have a much higher birth rrate than prodestants up north. I would like to hear the debates on repartition where we got nationalist majourity areas eg Derry , Newry and Fermanagh

neil_hosey

No not by any method, it will never happen.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Personally I don't think it really matters, all I care is that people on both sides are as happy as possible and most importantly living peacefully.

There is always going to be tensions up there.. atleast for another 2-3 generations assuming it doesnt kick off again. You feel it when your up there.

Afraid to say that i dont think ill see happiness on both sides in my lifetime

dambarude

I don't think very many people care anymore.

The_Kew_Tour

I hope to God we dont because we cant even manage the 26 counties we have so another 6 on top of it and the likely hood of more violence would make it a disaster imo.

OutlawPete

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

Saanvi Tall Snakebite wrote: »

I'd have liked a simple 'yes' in the poll.

The Poll isn't a 'Do you want a 32 County Republic', it's 'Do you think there will be one'.

So surely one of the two 'Yes, via the current agreements' or 'Yes, but not via the current agreements' would cover your thoughts on it Makk?

I'm getting battered lately over my Poll options ..

GLaDOS

neil_hosey wrote: »

There is always going to be tensions up there.. atleast for another 2-3 generations assuming it doesnt kick off again. You feel it when your up there.

Oh I'd say so, I don't really follow these things but it sounds like the scum (applying to anyone involved in attacks) are kicking up again with a few high profile attacks over the last year or so. My point was that, in an ideal world situation, I wouldn't care which way peace was achieved.

m@cc@

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

liah wrote: »

Besides.. do the Nordies even WANT to be part of the Republic?

At the moment and in the near future, it would be a square block in a round hole. We need to get our **** in order before I'd start thinking about that. These idiots who are still fighting the war don't help much.

DazMarz

Doesn't interest me one way or the other, I just want peace.

No, and let's hope it never does. We need to add another million or so in population to this bloody country like we need a hole in our heads. Nope, we don't need the ''Occupied Six'' or the North or whatever you want to call it.

Alessandra

Doesn't interest me one way or the other, I just want peace.

Ideally(for some) yes possibly, realistically no.

arybvtcw0eolkf

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

OutlawPete wrote: »

The Poll isn't a 'Do you want a 32 County Republic', it's 'Do you think there will be one'.

So surely one of the two 'Yes, via the current agreements' or 'Yes, but not via the current agreements' would cover your thoughts on it Makk?

I'm getting battered lately over my Poll options ..

I know, and I voted the wrong YES

I do believe we'll get N.I. back (although we did vote away our claim to it).

It won't be soon, but hopefully it'll be through peaceful means and without a civil war in its wake.

m@cc@

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

OutlawPete wrote: »

The Poll isn't a 'Do you want a 32 County Republic', it's 'Do you think there will be one'.

So surely one of the two 'Yes, via the current agreements' or 'Yes, but not via the current agreements' would cover your thoughts on it Makk?

I'm getting battered lately over my Poll options ..

I was going to be batter you over the thread, we seem to be discussing Northern Ireland, the British and headshops perpetually these days. :P

amacachi

liah wrote: »

Ain't happening. At least not any time soon.

I'm going to get loads of abuse for this, but there's two reasons why:

1) The Irish have a habit of sitting and whinging and banging on about what a state the government is in, but when was the last time you saw anyone actually organizing a proper honest protest or doing something about it? They're too content to whinge instead of actually putting together any kind of positive action to throw into momentum any kind of movement or revolution.

2) When the Irish DO do something about it, it ends up being like that ridiculously retarded car bomb in Newry. Ridiculously retarded because it won't solve any problems, it just upsets people and turns them against the bombers, and thus the idea of a Republic. The theory goes "if you're not with them, you're against them," if they're trying to get people with them, juvenile temper tantrums and bombs aren't exactly going to work.

But I'm not allowed to say anything because I'm not Irish, right?

Besides.. do the Nordies even WANT to be part of the Republic?

You can say what you want, I'm probably just going to disagree with a lot of it.
In this case there's a good reason why we're doing nothing, because a lot don't care/don't want it, on both sides of the border.
There's also plenty in the Republic with odd attitudes to Northerners, in plenty of cases bordering on racism, as ridiculous as it sounds.
Add the bloated public sector, propensity for violence among a decent number of people in certain areas of the North, general hassle for very little gain and you have a number of reasons why we're don't doing anything.
Also remember that originally the conflict starting in the late 60s had basically nothing to do with Republicanism on one side, it was purely about civil rights. The Unionists/Loyalists/UK misread things (and some were plain bigots) and the rest is history.

Think a recent-ish poll showed 26% in the North wanted a one-nation island.

amacachi

Saanvi Tall Snakebite wrote: »

I know, and I voted the wrong YES

I do believe we'll get N.I. back (although we did vote away our claim to it).

It won't be soon, but hopefully it'll be through peaceful means and without a civil war in its wake.

As I said elsewhere, does anyone really think our "claim" or lack thereof would make the slightest bit of difference?

mike65

BOHtox wrote: »

I don't think a 32 county republic in the near future bbut in the next 100 years who know catholics have a much higher birth rrate than prodestants up north. I would like to hear the debates on repartition where we got nationalist majourity areas eg Derry , Newry and Fermanagh

Why do people assume that if you are born out of a "catholic" vagina you want a 32 county republic?

OutlawPete

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

m@cc@ wrote: »

I was going to be batter you over the thread, we seem to be discussing Northern Ireland, the British and headshops perpetually these days. :P

Makes a change from the usual 'Muslim Watch' that AH has been the past six months.

I just want a Drew Barrymore appreciation forum tbh, be happy then

BOHtox

No not by any method, it will never happen.

mike65 wrote: »

Why do people assume that if you are born out of a "catholic" vagina you want a 32 county republic?

I would say 95% of catholics up north are nationalist if not more

m@cc@

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

OutlawPete wrote: »

Makes a change from the usual 'Muslim Watch' that AH has been the past six months.

Ah dammit, I forgot about the Muslims. It's amazing how they slip your mind at times even though we're supposed to be vigilant.

Anyhows, back to the thread.........

PirateShampoo

And what happens when the 60k unemployed people start looking at our goverment for its benefits?

Northan Ireland doesnt make a profit, its heavly subsidized by the uk.

Simple truth is we cant affored to be a united Ireland.

m@cc@

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

mike65 wrote: »

Why do people assume that if you are born out of a "catholic" vagina you want a 32 county republic?

I wouldn't say they were shooting in the dark with that one.

Mike 1972

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

BOHtox wrote: »

I don't think a 32 county republic in the near future bbut in the next 100 years who know catholics have a much higher birth rrate than prodestants up north.

How do the respective literacy rates compare ?

BOHtox wrote: »

I would say 95% of catholics up north are nationalist if not more

"I would say" = reliable source ?

IrishManSaipan

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

liah wrote: »

Ain't happening. At least not any time soon.

Agreed.

liah wrote: »

I'm going to get loads of abuse for this, but there's two reasons why:

What nation do you come from yourself?

liah wrote: »

1) The Irish have a habit of sitting and whinging and banging on about what a state the government is in, but when was the last time you saw anyone actually organizing a proper honest protest or doing something about it? They're too content to whinge instead of actually putting together any kind of positive action to throw into momentum any kind of movement or revolution.

To content to whinge, eh?

The Irish nation has continually rebelled against British rule in Ireland. In 1641,1798,1803,1867 and 1916. After Bloody Sunday(1972) the British embassy in Dublin 4 was burnt to the ground. If it wasnt for the actions of the Gardai, each and every Brit inside the place would have been lynched. Not to mention the most recent conflict in the six or the Irish workers strike against South Africa and apartheid state . Hardly the actions of a nation of whingers.

Paddy has become a bit docile due to the last ten or fifteen years of relative prosperity. That will change over time. Paddy will get the bit between his teeth. God help the Irish government when they do!

liah wrote: »

2) When the Irish DO do something about it, it ends up being like that ridiculously retarded car bomb in Newry. Ridiculously retarded because it won't solve any problems, it just upsets people and turns them against the bombers, and thus the idea of a Republic. The theory goes "if you're not with them, you're against them," if they're trying to get people with them, juvenile temper tantrums and bombs aren't exactly going to work.

How do you know they have no support? It is impossible for an illegal guerrilla force to carry out operations without some level of support.

By the way, bombing strategic targets hurt the British establishment much more than a couple of dead squaddies. Theres no shortage of cannon fodder amongst the British working class.

liah wrote: »

But I'm not allowed to say anything because I'm not Irish, right?

No, free speech is a right the Irish state holds dear.

liah wrote: »

Besides.. do the Nordies even WANT to be part of the Republic?

Give them a referendum and find out.

JPA

Should have an "I don't know" option.

The island of Ireland should be one country but too much **** has gone on for so long I don't know how it can happen.

BOHtox

No not by any method, it will never happen.

Mike 1972 wrote: »

How do the respective literacy rates compare ?

I have a sstammmmer

m@cc@

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

BOHtox wrote: »

I don't think a 32 county republic in the near future bbut in the next 100 years who know catholics have a much higher birth rrate than prodestants up north. I would like to hear the debates on repartition where we got nationalist majourity areas eg Derry , Newry and Fermanagh

We need your help folks, we need you to SHAG FOR IRELAND!!!

IrishManSaipan

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Personally I don't think it really matters, all I care is that people on both sides are as happy as possible and most importantly living peacefully.

Are you competing for the Miss World Crown? Do you hope they find a cure for aids and eradicate world poverty too, eh?

Meanwhile, on planet earth...........

IrishManSaipan

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

DazMarz wrote: »

No, and let's hope it never does. We need to add another million or so in population to this bloody country like we need a hole in our heads. Nope, we don't need the ''Occupied Six'' or the North or whatever you want to call it.

Chelsea fan?

Do you take the mick outta the Paddies when you are over at the bridge? Paddies cant govern themselves, innit.:rolleyes:

GLaDOS

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Are you competing for the Miss World Crown? Do you hope they find a cure for aids and eradicate world poverty too, eh?

Meanwhile, on planet earth...........

As a biologist, finding a cure for AIDS is of keen interest to me actually

m@cc@

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

As a biologist, finding a cure for AIDS is of keen interest to me actually

I wouldn't mind poverty in the world being sorted out either.

IrishManSaipan

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

m@cc@ wrote: »

I wouldn't mind poverty in the world being sorted out either.

I wouldnt mind a threesome with the two red haired twins out of Skins, but unfortunately, theres a slim chance of that ever happening too.

OxfordComma

In an ideal world, Ireland should be a 32 county republic - but it's definitely not happening anytime soon (if it ever happens, which is pretty doubtful). There are a lot of people living in Northern Ireland that want to remain a part of the UK, and Irish nationalists can't simply force their viewpoint upon them.

The fact that 6 counties aren't part of the Republic today really doesn't bother me all that much anyways. I'd much prefer a peaceful 6-county Northern Ireland over a 32 county republic in which the terrible bloodshed and violence of the past persists, and I think the main focus should be on ending the sectarianism in the North, because at the end of the day, preserving human life is far, far more important than achieving a 32 county republic (which is of minor importance by comparison).

liah

Doesn't interest me one way or the other, I just want peace.

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

What nation do you come from yourself?

Canada.

To content to whinge, eh?

The Irish nation has continually rebelled against British rule in Ireland. In 1641,1798,1803,1867 and 1916. After Bloody Sunday(1972) the British embassy in Dublin 4 was burnt to the ground. If it wasnt for the actions of the Gardai, each and every Brit inside the place would have been lynched. Not to mention the most recent conflict in the six or the Irish workers strike against South Africa and apartheid state . Hardly the actions of a nation of whingers.

Paddy has become a bit docile due to the last ten or fifteen years of relative prosperity. That will change over time. Paddy will get the bit between his teeth. God help the Irish government when they do!

Not what I meant re: your first bit; I know the Irish have a reason to be proud of their achievements in fighting back, but they're riding on the coattails of their former rebellions and are far too apathetic when it comes to their government in the last decade or so, nevermind something as potentially monumental as rejoining the 32 counties.

How do you know they have no support? It is impossible for an illegal guerrilla force to carry out operations without some level of support.

By the way, bombing strategic targets hurt the British establishment much more than a couple of dead squaddies. Theres no shortage of cannon fodder amongst the British working class.

The courthouse was hardly a strategic target. And it seems the majority of the Irish people are sick of bombings and violence. They may have some support but it'd be far, far into the minority-- Ireland is ready for a new, non-violent form of revolution, by the looks of it.

OutlawPete

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

JPA wrote: »

Should have an "I don't know" option.

If you don't know, then just don't take the Poll.

It's not compulsory.

BOHtox

No not by any method, it will never happen.

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

I wouldnt mind a threesome with the two red haired twins out of Skins, but unfortunately, theres a slim chance of that ever happening too.

I would like a menage a trois with cheryl cole and megan fox as were on the subject

lugha

1fahy4 wrote: »

In an ideal world, Ireland should be a 32 county republic

In an ideal world people wouldn't be determined to fix things that aren't broken. And Northern Ireland isn't broken in any way that saddling us with it is going to fix.

ScumLord

neil_hosey wrote: »

to you it might not. But I still passionately believe in a united ireland. i dont judge people that have no interest in it but I cant understand why not.

What difference does it make in a global culture what some piece of paper says about the ownership of a piece of land? I'm all for different cultures and love to travel to see them but the state just seems to be an excuse for self serving greed and conflict.

amacachi

liah wrote: »

The courthouse was hardly a strategic target. And it seems the majority of the Irish people are sick of bombings and violence. They may have some support but it'd be far, far into the minority-- Ireland is ready for a new, non-violent form of revolution, by the looks of it.

You have to try to get into these peoples' heads. I would guess it was an attack symbolising their refusal to recognise the authority of the UK Justice System. Or something like that, being around Diesel and Petrol fumes so much probably somewhat affects their thought processes.

dlofnep

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

Yes, it's inevitable.

But it might not be a single Government state - but rather Stormont and the Dáil legislating on certain issues, and then a higher body legislating more national issues. At least, that's how I'd see it happening, with an eventual transition to a single house. Votes for nationalist parties have increased by over 13% since 1982 - and that trend looks to continue to increase.

Yes - Irish unity will happen. It's just a matter for when.

BOHtox

No not by any method, it will never happen.

lugha wrote: »

In an ideal world people wouldn't be determined to fix things that aren't broken. And Northern Ireland isn't broken in any way that saddling us with it is going to fix.

not broken? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0223/newry.html

one example of not broken.

lugha

BOHtox wrote: »

not broken? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0223/newry.html

one example of not broken.

A united Ireland won't fix that. Only difference is that in a UI it would be Loyalists cutting loose on a terror campaign. And don't be so sure that the dissident republicans will all pack it in, if they don't get the UI that they want.

IrishManSaipan

Yes but not via the current talks and agreements.

lugha wrote: »

In an ideal world people wouldn't be determined to fix things that aren't broken. And Northern Ireland isn't broken in any way that saddling us with it is going to fix.

Its a failed apartheid state. How else do you explain the big phuc off peace walls?:rolleyes:

lugha

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

Its a failed apartheid state. How else do you explain the big phuc off peace walls?:rolleyes:

Once again, a UI won't fix that.

m@cc@

No and the current democratic process will make sure of it.

IrishManSaipan wrote: »

What nation do you come from yourself?

liah wrote:

Location: Canadian in Mullingar.

It's a northern state in the US. :P