Other people standing for the National Anthem

Dudess · 23-02-2010 01:55PM

krudler wrote: »

Well said, a nation of corrupt politicians, inept police, gangland crime, recession, binge drinking, child abuse scandals and Ryan Tubridy

but hey, everyone loves rugby right?

This is the other side of the coin - likening Ireland to some miserable South American banana republic. I'm not patriotic/nationalistic and I don't understand "pride" in being Irish, but I don't understand "shame" in it either, and despite the above "horrors", we have a pretty high standard of living (generally speaking) And our day to day lives are pretty darn easy.

krudler · 23-02-2010 01:56PM

Dudess wrote: »

Wouldn't stand for it in a pub in a fit. I remember some friends were over from England and they wanted to go somewhere with Irish traditional music - unfortunately the "trad session" in the pub we chose was rebel songs, complete with "up the 'ra" chants. It was horrible, but my friends were really polite about it and insisted on staying there.
The humorless main band guy kept telling tales of oppression from... 200 years ago etc. I went from embarrassed to quite angry. When the national anthem kicked in, I was the only one sitting down, my friends told me to cop on or I'd get grief (they probably weren't wrong) and my English friends were uncomfortable about it. Best thing to do in those situations is just go outside and wait for your friends.

This is ridiculous, where people act like we're still being oppressed as a nation by the dastardly English, probably while wearing a Liverpool jersey, watching Eastenders and drinking a pint of Strongbow

krudler · 23-02-2010 01:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pop quiz hotshots......why don't Spaniards sing the words to their national anthem at football matches?

cos there isnt just one?

Dudess · 23-02-2010 01:59PM

I like some rebel songs and have a huge interest in Irish history, but leave it out of the pub/having an agenda attached to it. And leave the "up the 'ra" chants out of the rebel songs.

krudler · 23-02-2010 02:01PM

Dudess wrote: »

This is the other side of the coin - likening Ireland to some miserable South American banana republic. I'm not patriotic/nationalistic and I don't understand "pride" in being Irish, but I don't understand "shame" in it either, and despite the above "horrors", we have a pretty high standard of living (generally speaking) And our day to day lives are pretty darn easy.

Ah that was a bit tongue in cheek, yeah we have a lot of problems, so do most countries, but its those infuriating things that we just cant get right that boil my onions, decent public transport , a shambles of a healthcare system, etc etc, self loathing is something us Irish do so well, its either one side of the scale or the other, blind nationalism or self hatred, all a bit Irish really

TBh I wish I knew how to speak Irish fluently, its utterly ridiculous that I know more French than Irish, a subject I was taught (badly) in school since I was 6 until leaving cert, come to think of it I can speak more Japanese than Irish. There is a lot of fascinating stuff about Irish history but we're always expected to look down on our own culture, or to instantly dismiss something as being rubbish because its Irish

Dravokivich · 23-02-2010 02:03PM

krudler wrote: »

This is ridiculous, where people act like we're still being oppressed as a nation by the dastardly English, probably while wearing a Liverpool jersey, watching Eastenders and drinking a pint of Strongbow

ah yes... because national pride means you can't admire foreign Athelete's in a foreign sports club.... Foreign drama / literature, taking into account we have a young generation now that are into the Hills and Glee, but there's also top show's like Bones / House / *cringe* 24 / Lie to me... and foreign Drink / cuisine... oh... you don't drink the likes of vodka or largers, eat chinese / italian?

T'is all GAA / Fair City - Glen Roe vidjoes / Cabbage and Guinness for the respectable Irishman?

prinz · 23-02-2010 02:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pop quiz hotshots......why don't Spaniards sing the words to their national anthem at football matches?

Muwahahaha, because there are no official anthem lyrics.

23-02-2010 02:05PM

krudler wrote: »

cos there isnt just one?

Our survey says.....EH EHHHHHH!

'Fraid not, good answer though.

Edit: Good man yourself Prinz, shiny gold star for you!

fuelinjection · 23-02-2010 02:07PM

super-rush wrote: »

Don't post in this thread again. Final warning.

this is my respect face.

prinz · 23-02-2010 02:07PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

ah yes... because national pride means you can't admire foreign Athelete's in a foreign sports club....

National pride =/= being an ignorant backward c*nt. I have plenty of national pride, yet I don't feel the need to reaffirm that by slagging off the English/Brits/bringing up the past etc.

krudler · 23-02-2010 02:08PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

ah yes... because national pride means you can't admire foreign Athelete's in a foreign sports club.... Foreign drama / literature, taking into account we have a young generation now that are into the Hills and Glee, but there's also top show's like Bones / House / *cringe* 24 / Lie to me... and foreign Drink / cuisine... oh... you don't drink the likes of vodka or largers, eat chinese / italian?

T'is all GAA / Fair City - Glen Roe vidjoes / Cabbage and Guinness for the respectable Irishman?

Way to miss my point completely:rolleyes:

Dudess · 23-02-2010 02:10PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

ah yes... because national pride means you can't admire foreign Athelete's in a foreign sports club.... Foreign drama / literature, taking into account we have a young generation now that are into the Hills and Glee, but there's also top show's like Bones / House / *cringe* 24 / Lie to me... and foreign Drink / cuisine... oh... you don't drink the likes of vodka or largers, eat chinese / italian?

T'is all GAA / Fair City - Glen Roe vidjoes / Cabbage and Guinness for the respectable Irishman?

As you can obviously see, he didn't say that in the slightest. In the highly unlikely event you genuinely didn't see what he meant, he was referring to hypocrisy, not "doing national pride wrong".

krudler · 23-02-2010 02:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Our survey says.....EH EHHHHHH!

'Fraid not, good answer though.

Edit: Good man yourself Prinz, shiny gold star for you!

Whats that got to do with what I said? I never mentioned lyrics, just said most people wouldnt know the Spanish anthem if it was played to them, same as those Spaniards may not have know the Irish anthem

fuelinjection · 23-02-2010 02:12PM

right i am going to be banned defending the Irish national anthem, it is worth it though.

krudler · 23-02-2010 02:12PM

Dudess wrote: »

As you can obviously see, he didn't say that in the slightest. In the unlikely event you genuinely didn't see what he meant, he was referring to hypocrisy, not "doing national pride wrong".

Least someone got it, I meant those feverish "fcuk the English" muppets who done see the irony in supporting English soccer teams, watching English tv shows and putting money into the English economy in a roundabout way, all the while decrying the country for oppressing us and screaming anti English abuse when the anthem is played

NothingMan · 23-02-2010 02:14PM

fuelinjection wrote: »

right i am going to be banned defending the Irish national anthem, it is worth it though.

You really seem to see the world through wierd colour glasses. You insult a poster then claim you were infracted for being patriotic. 2 + 2 = 7? That way of thinking leads to some very bad actions by the ignorant few. Why can't you argue your point without resorting to name calling or other people in extreme cases, car bombs.

Davei141 · 23-02-2010 02:14PM

fuelinjection wrote: »

right i am going to be banned defending the Irish national anthem, it is worth it though.

Better yet you should kill yourself in protest of this thread, we will get Gerry Adams to carry your coffin single handedly. Up the RAAAAAA

Stercus Accidit · 23-02-2010 02:17PM

Siana fianna fail, ata faoi bheal in eireannn, buin dar slu, ar har har de dar dar dar. <pause>

Dar de dar dar dar...

And that's a GOOD version of what you would get in the pub, the pub where we cement the reputation of rowdy drunks and idiots.

Up the RA woo woo!

Cringe worthy.

Dudess · 23-02-2010 02:20PM

fuelinjection wrote: »

right i am going to be banned defending the Irish national anthem

Oh no, no you're not - so ya can remove the martyr hat now

You were told not to post in the thread again because you were personally abusive, which is against the charter.

fuelinjection · 23-02-2010 02:20PM

NothingMan wrote: »

You really seem to see the world through wierd colour glasses. You insult a poster then claim you were infracted for being patriotic. 2 + 2 = 7? That way of thinking leads to some very bad actions by the ignorant few. Why can't you argue your point without resorting to name calling or other people in extreme cases, car bombs.

There was no insult, just a good luck to finding another country that he could repect. I love my flag, anthem, and history but respect anyone who may have other backgrounds such as unionists, but you don't know me.
Again I stand over my comment and have the same right to reply as Dave.

Miguel_Sanchez · 23-02-2010 02:21PM

I went to High School in the US for a year when I was a teenager and every day they read out the pledge of allegiance in Homeroom. I used to stand for it every day as I was felt I should give it some respect, and because I was in school and it was easier just to do it. But I never said the pledge and I was never asked to either.

I stood for the US anthem at football games too but I don't think I would have been hassled if I hadn't. At a big event I would stand and stay silent for another nation's national anthem but I don't think the playing of an anthem at the end of a night in a pub counts as a big event. I wouldn't stand for our own anthem at the end of a night in the pub and certainly wouldn't expect anyone from another country to do so. I would however expect them to respect our anthem at the start of a game in Croke Park or that, in much the same way that I would theirs.

I once had the misfortune to be stuck at a session in the International Bar in Dublin with my ex-girlfriend's parents. They're Scottish and wanted to play in one so ended up there. The 'Tiocfaidh Ar La' and 'Ra slogans being shouted were ridiculous. I was thoroughly embarrassed that this was the impression of Ireland my ex's folks were getting.

One of the guys was selling what looked to be fairly obviously stolen watches from a duffel bag under a table all throughout the afternoon and got pissed off with me that I wouldn't contribute money to 'The Cause' when they passed a tin around at the end. I read one of their fliers and found out the 'cause' was in fact bail money for a joyrider. Those sort of stupid f*cks wouldn't know Nationalism if it smacked them around the face. They're an abolsute disgrace, using some vague notion of politics from 30 years ago to justify their criminal activity.

I'd rather sing God Save The Queen at the end of the night than get tarred with the same brush as those knuckle-dragging morons.

stovelid · 23-02-2010 02:22PM

krudler wrote: »

This is ridiculous, where people act like we're still being oppressed as a nation by the dastardly English, probably while wearing a Liverpool jersey, watching Eastenders and drinking a pint of Strongbow

It's because the martyr feeling of Brit-blame has slowly changed from being a valid historical reaction to the point where it's an assertion of our national identity.

Dudess · 23-02-2010 02:23PM

Yes, you said in a jovial manner: "Good luck finding another country you can respect, Dave".

What really happened:

fuelinjection wrote: »

What a total loser, good luck and enjoy Australia, I hope you find some self respect in your new country.

fuelinjection · 23-02-2010 02:23PM

Dudess wrote: »

Oh no, no you're not - so ya can remove the martyr hat now

You were told not to post in the thread again because you were personally abusive, which is against the charter.

Personally abusive is far less important to me that abuse of country and pride. Some things such as religion and person deserve defence. And I am not looking to get banned but I will still eat my cornflakes in the morning if I do. Not that bothered to be honest.

krudler · 23-02-2010 02:25PM

Anyone remember all the hoo ha over the anthems being played in Croke Park at the rugby game that time? I remember being at work and kind of oblivious to it all (not a rugby supporter) until the day of the match, and people at work were seething all the time that God Save The Queen was played, "slap in the face to Ireland" "english *****" " walking on the graves of the dead" were some of the choice comments, I thought it showed real class to allow an anthem with huge historical significance to be played in that building that day, but as a nation of people who have it bred into us that we're a downtrodden little island who have to show disdain for our neighbours there were people who just couldnt let it go

robinph · 23-02-2010 02:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pop quiz hotshots......why don't Spaniards sing the words to their national anthem at football matches?

Because they got rid of the words as they felt they were too nationalistic, bit of a strange problem with the words of a national anthem I'd have thought.

The Dutch have no problem singing about their devotion to the Spanish king in their anthem though.

fuelinjection · 23-02-2010 02:29PM

Dudess wrote: »

Yes, you said in a jovial manner: "Good luck finding another country you can respect, Dave".

What really happened:

Wrong, it was not jovial, it was 100% serious, none of your edited smiles.
Again, I don't care about being banned but stand over my comment.

Stercus Accidit · 23-02-2010 02:30PM

Dudess wrote: »

Yes, you said in a jovial manner: "Good luck finding another country you can respect, Dave".

What really happened:

What's worse is that he went from addressing yerman in the third person to the second person in the same sentence, which is just weird.

Puck · 23-02-2010 02:30PM

fuelinjection wrote: »

There was no insult, just a good luck to finding another country that he could repect. I love my flag, anthem, and history but respect anyone who may have other backgrounds such as unionists, but you don't know me.
Again I stand over my comment and have the same right to reply as Dave.

I believe you called him a "total loser", that there's personal abuse and is against the charter.

Out of curiosity, without looking it up somewhere, could you give me the English translation of the Irish national anthem and explain to me why you love it so much?

krudler · 23-02-2010 02:30PM

stovelid wrote: »

It's because the martyr feeling of Brit-blame has slowly changed from being a valid historical reaction to the point where it's an assertion of our national identity.

Oh I'm not denying that the English were responsible for atrocities in Irish history, but its these muppets who somehow think something that happened a century ago somehow relates to their everyday life and the English are to be sneered at simply for being English is utterly ridiculous, its the equivalent of painting all Irish people as Guinness swilling, bomb making terrorists, nonsense

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