My tips

POINTBREAK · 19-02-2010 11:13PM

OK Guys lets put this into perspective.
I started tracking this thread for a fun. I didnt know it was a commercial venture or likely to become one and I am not involved in it other than out of interest.

How anyone can find the horse racing selections impressive is beyond me.
I offered Semi the opportunity by PM to point out that the horse racing tips were not that impressive and he declined. I would rather he had pointed this out himself.

So, so that I am not guilty of misleading anyone. Here are some hard facts...
Semi has invested just over 230 points to win just under 15 points.

That is an ROI of less than 7%

Basically that means that for every £1000 you bet on this thread you would be winning under £70 at SP. Is that impressive?
I dont think it is so because I do not want to encourage anyone to join a service with those figures I am out Semi.

jodaw · 20-02-2010 12:10AM

Hi PB,

Thank you for the stats on the trial of the selections. It is a little less clear when individual selections are advised at different point stakes. It is good to see the cold hard figures.

7% is not an excellent ROI, but considering that is the return at SP. Top levels PRO's only expect 15% ROI. So considering this and that also the vast majority actually have a negative ROI, it is not really so bad is it?

What ROI would you expect?

So the SP selections have return 15 points in the past month and half.

So based on say 10,000 (100 point bank)

1,500 for 23,000 stakes with maybe 20% max drawdown on the account minus subs of say 250

1,250

So if the performance continues in this way until year end, maybe 8K to this stake level.

Provided the returns continue it would be a good component of a portfolio?

semiprogambler · 20-02-2010 12:13AM

POINTBREAK wrote: »

OK Guys lets put this into perspective.
I started tracking this thread for a fun. I didn't know it was a commercial venture or likely to become one and I am not involved in it other than out of interest.

How anyone can find the horse racing selections impressive is beyond me.
I offered Semi the opportunity by PM to point out that the horse racing tips were not that impressive and he declined. I would rather he had pointed this out himself.

So, so that I am not guilty of misleading anyone. Here are some hard facts...
Semi has invested just over 230 points to win just under 15 points.

That is an ROI of less than 7%

Basically that means that for every £1000 you bet on this thread you would be winning under £70 at SP. Is that impressive?
I dont think it is so because I do not want to encourage anyone to join a service with those figures I am out Semi.

Hi Pb,
Firstly can i thank you for the time and effort you have put in to recording our results over the last 6/7 weeks that we have been posting on this thread no easy task.

Having read your post i am @ something of a loss to see how your opinion can change so quickly. Only day`s ago you were promoting our syndicates results as being significantly better than PWE including Tom Segal(i must inform you if you are not aware of it that PWE/Racing Post is indeed a commercial venture).

The sudden change of heart has left me totally flabbergasted to be honest. You must have your reasons for this sudden change of heart but that`s your decision.

In the mean time i will continue to post the selections 10 mins or so prior to the off for people to come to their own conclusions.

Once again PB thank you for your efforts!

jodaw · 20-02-2010 12:19AM

PB,

I am sure i speak for the rest of the thread readers when i say that i would appreciate if you continue your good work until the selections finish. The format that you record them in is very easy on the eye and enjoy in keeping track of the results of the selections!!!

Happy punting

semiprogambler · 20-02-2010 12:24AM

No winners of the pick 6 jackpots this evening having said that perry barr got to 1 ticket on t6 in the last leg.

Associates will be entered again tomorrow. Belle vue`s pool is building up nicely but is a strange jackpot in as much that it only has 5 races to pick the winners of(easy:rolleyes:)

semiprogambler · 20-02-2010 12:52AM

jodaw wrote: »

Hi PB,

Thank you for the stats on the trial of the selections. It is a little less clear when individual selections are advised at different point stakes. It is good to see the cold hard figures.

7% is not an excellent ROI, but considering that is the return at SP. Top levels PRO's only expect 15% ROI. So considering this and that also the vast majority actually have a negative ROI, it is not really so bad is it?

What ROI would you expect?

So the SP selections have return 15 points in the past month and half.

So based on say 10,000 (100 point bank)

1,500 for 23,000 stakes with maybe 20% max drawdown on the account minus subs of say 250

1,250

So if the performance continues in this way until year end, maybe 8K to this stake level.

Provided the returns continue it would be a good component of a portfolio?

We had a small profit of 1.4 pts approx @ sp today which i don`t think is included in the results.

So profit should in the region of 16.4 pts bearing in mind associates easily get better earlier prices with out having to break into to much of a sweat!

Just one other small point if you can excuse my ignorance. What is drawdown?

thesandeman · 20-02-2010 01:10AM

Semi, I see where PB is coming from. You started off this thread as MYtips- ie a regular punter who is a bit better at picking em than some of us lol. This was much appreciated especially when a couple of selections clicked on the same day. However as singles the profits are not huge (except for that one that drifted to 12s). Suddenly every post has begun with WE. and its turned into a commercial venture re the syndicate/dogs etc. Even when PB defended you about picking horses that were being backed etc there was no mention of the syndicate. You even said at one stage that you hoped to become PRO as opposed to SEMI PRO at one stage (cant link cos Im on phone). Therefore I also think the thread was a plan to get members. While I appreciate the tips and hope they will continue I would have liked if you were more open from the start. Btw what happens if one of the associates starts posting your tips early? Hope you dont do a PW type legal threat on us.

jodaw · 20-02-2010 01:29AM

Drawdown is a term normally used in the management of stock trading accounts. It refers to the % reduction in the balance of the account from the most recent high of the account.

Or simpler terms the riskiness of the account balance and the likelihood that it will go Kaputtt !!

With having all the figures and information to hand I would make a guesstimate that the MAX drawdown would 20% or below

Re: thesandeman ...

If fairness would you pay £100/month for tips and post them for free? I do not think that would be an issue. BTW let me know if you are subscribing, this way i will not bother myself. Provided of course that you post them early !

spids · 20-02-2010 01:32AM

do you make much euros mate?

Kod-box · 20-02-2010 01:42AM

could always go splits on a subscription, 4 ways is £25

jodaw · 20-02-2010 01:43AM

Kod-box wrote: »

could always go splits on a subscription, 4 ways is £25

... now thats a price i could live with

semiprogambler · 20-02-2010 01:57AM

Ok chap`s thanks for your help and info but that`s the end of the trial. Associates will be capped@ 22 until futher notice.

Once again many thanks for your help and i hope you get the legal issue with PWE sorted!

thesandeman · 20-02-2010 01:58AM

Sharing is caring Jodaw. If I had a 'guaranteed' winner I would have no problems posting it once everybody was on at GP. Think Ive only done it once since Ive been on Boards though. I wont give anything unless Im 100% if thats possible in racing.

jodaw · 20-02-2010 02:01AM

hmmm ...

I dont think semipro would be too happy if the tips where continued to be published here ...

x PyRo · 20-02-2010 03:06AM

semiprogambler wrote: »

end of the trial.

No, please God NO!! :rolleyes:

I think this was the plan all along, get people to be associates in something that doesn't exist.

jodaw · 20-02-2010 03:16AM

Hmmm ...

There certainly is a lot of skepticism on this thread. I for one think it is probably the best profit producing thread in here and a breath of fresh air to be honest.

The results are here for everyone to see ... plain as day ... it has produced a profit over a decent period of time ...

I am disappointed that the selections have finished as i was hoping to follow it until the months end.

I hope that semipro will have a change of heart and post his selections until the end of the month. I have logged into boards specifically to keep track on this thread. Guess i wont be around here again until something decent appears ...

Either way it was good while it lasted ... it has been a pleasure to see your selections semipro. BTW just out of interest. Do you have one person that specialises in horse racing? Is it based purely on form and ratings or privileged information? Or a combination of both?

Sorry for so many questions ...

x PyRo · 20-02-2010 03:27AM

I just find it funny that once the associate "deal" is mentioned then he decides to quit it, there should be at least a 3 month period to see if it keeps profit, not shutting it down after 1 month and a couple of weeks. Pathetic attempt to fleece people of their hard earned imo.

I taught i got it wrong at the start of the thread by being too critical, but i wasn't wrong.

semiprogambler · 20-02-2010 08:40AM

jodaw wrote: »

Hmmm ...

There certainly is a lot of skepticism on this thread. I for one think it is probably the best profit producing thread in here and a breath of fresh air to be honest.

The results are here for everyone to see ... plain as day ... it has produced a profit over a decent period of time ...

I am disappointed that the selections have finished as i was hoping to follow it until the months end.

I hope that semipro will have a change of heart and post his selections until the end of the month. I have logged into boards specifically to keep track on this thread. Guess i wont be around here again until something decent appears ...

Either way it was good while it lasted ... it has been a pleasure to see your selections semipro. BTW just out of interest. Do you have one person that specialises in horse racing? Is it based purely on form and ratings or privileged information? Or a combination of both?

Sorry for so many questions ...

It`s a combination of both the later info comes by way of info passed on by shareholders who are @ the track/race coarse. They pay and have paid a lot of money to keep certain people sweet sorting the wheat from the chaff has cost loads. But their long term investment has produced dividends and good for them! Our shareholders formed the syndicate 14 months ago they are like minded people who believe in the ethos of sharing information. They on the whole have been recruited through forums like this one. Indeed one of the shareholders has used the site for many months.

With associates getting 3 and more profitable services (horses/ greyhounds and footy into 1 subscription lasting 3 months working out @just over £11 per month per service(37 pence per day). I think this represents exceptional value for money. Throw in a possible special dividend if our dogman comes up trumps with the pick 6 selections during the period associates are quids in.

Well the proof is in the pudding with 22 associates welcomed to the syndicate i expect to see them all there with new ones added come June 2010!

Those of you who have sent emails to me this morning will be put on a associates waiting list and will hear from me in the future as we open the doors to new associates.

ps Just a word of warning to all those of you who are considering joining alternative services there are a lot of scam outfits in this industry just trying to rip people off. If you must join one pay nothing up front and insist on a 4 week freel trial of the service

semiprogambler · 20-02-2010 01:46PM

Associates you have email (greyhounds)

GerryMcc · 20-02-2010 03:41PM

hi,
Have you become an associate? If you have please let us all know if you are 1 of the 22. All i'm interested in is are you now recieving the horse tips early enough to benifit from a good early price. Only previous posters will be trusted obviously. Not looking for the tips necessarily just interested in integrity and consistency of this outfit.

cheers

Ger

semiprogambler · 20-02-2010 03:55PM

Associates have email (football)

jodaw · 20-02-2010 04:39PM

unlucky the thread today

... well done semipro ... sadly i did not have a cent on it (purely a watching brief) ... dare i say easy winner

semiprogambler · 20-02-2010 05:47PM

Associates you have email (greyhounds):(:)

jodaw · 20-02-2010 05:52PM

ok semipro... i hope that you do not mind me running with updating the results. If only to finalize the thread. PB, since you do not seem to be updating anymore i will continue with your format ...

from 19/02
Ravi River 1355 ling

.... 11/8SP ... +1.37pts 1
Oceans Edge 1425 ew ... -1pt 0
Fabulous Fred 310 fak

... 15/8SP ... +1.88 pts
Quartz Dove 345 fak ew

2nd ... 11/2SP +0.38pts

Total +2.63pts

Febuary
Fri 19th Feb.......<7 losers>
Sequence....00010131/0000000/2100X121301110100000210000120
0000101000000001011012
Bets 66
Wins 18
EW Placed 8
EW UNPLACED 9
Lays0-1 -.80
============================
FEB Profit/Loss @SP-10.28
============================
January Profit + 26.16 Points at SP

think this is accurate ... i will update further later on

jodaw · 20-02-2010 06:00PM

from 20/02
Buffalo Bob 330 u ew ... 1st @ 4/1SP +4pts (readily available at bigger price)
The Gloves are off 405 u ew .... unplcd -1

Total +3pts

Also today there was a football treble that was landed with ease for another +3.5pts ... this is not include below

Febuary
Sat 20th Feb.......<7 losers>
Sequence....00010131/0000000/2100X121301110100000210000120
000010100000000101101210
Bets 68
Wins 19
EW Placed 8
EW UNPLACED 9
Lays0-1 -.80
============================
FEB Profit/Loss @SP-7.28
============================
January Profit + 26.16 Points at SP

Kod-box · 20-02-2010 06:23PM

so you joined up Jodaw?

semiprogambler · 20-02-2010 06:29PM

Many thanks for updating the results I very much appreciate the effort the likes of yourself and Pb put in to compiling these results in what i find the ball breaking part of the job.

Once again many thanks!

semiprogambler · 20-02-2010 06:47PM

Kod-box wrote: »

so you joined up Jodaw?

Hi Kb,

Jodaw is not an associate, but has kindly offered to update the results till the end of the month. To produce the results he needs the selections before the event has started!

jodaw · 20-02-2010 06:50PM

Hi Kod-box

I believe the selections were going to be posted in the thread until the months end. This has been cut short for semipro's own reasons...

personally i think one or two may have been suggesting that semipro has had ulterior motives all along. i do not think think the thread comes across this way ... I am normally very skeptical about this kind of things ...

but i am taking the thread for what it is ... which is a very decent return for a couple of weeks selections.

semipro has decide to email myself and maybe other thread followers the selections until the end of the month. I am not an associate so i will not receive after this either.

I am not placing any wagers on these selections and solely following out of interest. In return i will act as a proofer of his selections until the end of the month to put finality on the thread. More than likely i will not be accessing these selections during the day for work reasons so i will try to update in the evenings.Simply because PB is not longer updating and it would be good to see it through for the 2 months

it was a decent day today and some points have been clawed back ...

Kod-box · 20-02-2010 07:04PM

oh right, ya it would be nice to see the final profit of the trial before i think of investing in this.

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