Dan Boyle has no confidence in Willie O'Dea

maynooth_rules · 18-02-2010 05:44PM

BennyLava wrote: »

Can the grassroots of the Green party force the issue if necessary, an egm if you will,
surely the time for the members of the Green party to stand up and try to salvage what's left of their party is now.

Gormley and Co. won't have a leg to stand on if you make your voices heard, they had to go to you to pass the revised program for government. Can you not force them to listen to you to save the Green movement

The higher authorities in the party would just structure the vote to suit them, just like they did at their egm over NAMA. No doubt they would say something like 95% of people present have to vote for us to come out of government for it to happen. Remember 69% of the grassroot greens rejected NAMA in the vote, but they still accepted it

Dempo1 · 18-02-2010 05:45PM

This guy is beyond belief and it amazes me anyone takes him seriously. He is not even capable of getting elected. It was bad enough watching Eamon Whine embarrass himself defending O Dea in the Dail yesterday only to have senator Buffoon make a fool of him. The mind boggles at what is the greens strategy, i just wish they would just stop, appraise the mess they have contributed, take it on the chin, pull out and whilst in the political wilderness take time to figure out what it is they stand for. The Farce on the door steps of the dail after Deidre de burca's departure said it all, they could even agree on a coherent response. And while i am on about poor Deidre, one has to question her motives, again a failed politician sulking because she did not get a nice little earner in Europe. God, when is this country going to return back to some Political sanity.

stakey · 18-02-2010 05:48PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

when is this country going to return back to some Political sanity.

Has to have had political sanity in the firstplace to do that

Macha · 18-02-2010 05:53PM

maynooth_rules wrote: »

The higher authorities in the party would just structure the vote to suit them, just like they did at their egm over NAMA. No doubt they would say something like 95% of people present have to vote for us to come out of government for it to happen. Remember 69% of the grassroot greens rejected NAMA in the vote, but they still accepted it

Alright that is not fair. 31% of members voted in favour of a motion calling on the parliamentary party to vote against NAMA legislation in the Dáil. That means 69% opposed the motion.

And the "higher authorities" can't change the voting requirements to 95%, etc.

Trotter · 18-02-2010 05:57PM

As the hype draws to a close for today (I can feel the tension dropping off).. here's my prediction:

Greens to chat for the weekend, push Cowan and threaten to walk of Willie isnt sacked. Willie walks (or is urged to walk) into the sunset in a JOD like blaze of glory, citing how he has been victimised into walking away, with his martyred head held high. Bev may even go with standing ovation 2.0.

Weeks later, Willie to be given a nice little earner to make up for any loss of wages, and will retain the love of the FF faithful.

The Greens will say.. Look what we did!! , and in a few months time, something else will kick off and we'll be right back here again rubbing our hands at the thought of giving FF the boot.

Its just not going to happen. Those Greens at the top and tied too tight to FF/Ministerial jollies/cars/attention etc. They are going nowhere and we can suck it up. This is just too big to be about policies. If this is about policies, then the Greens are acknowledging that getting policies through is far more important than ethical standards. Either way, theres no way they're walking.

18-02-2010 06:06PM

This is a good day for Irish politics and hopefully is the beginning of the end for this corrupt inept government.

The spineless Greens are finally going to stand up for themselves but it won't save them in the next election.

IrishTonyO · 18-02-2010 06:10PM

Eamon Gilmore on Newstalk at the moment, saying the word around Leinster House is that O'Dea will be gone by this evening.

baalthor · 18-02-2010 06:13PM

Trotter wrote: »

As the hype draws to a close for today (I can feel the tension dropping off).. here's my prediction:

Greens to chat for the weekend, push Cowan and threaten to walk of Willie isnt sacked. Willie walks (or is urged to walk) into the sunset in a JOD like blaze of glory, citing how he has been victimised into walking away, with his martyred head held high.

I'd say you're right ...
I struggle to think of what would make the Greens pull out.

InisMor · 18-02-2010 06:13PM

Cowan won't give up O'Dea easily. O'Dea is loyal to the death and Cowan needs that.

Macha · 18-02-2010 06:13PM

I did hear rumblings that there will be a Green Party statement at 6pm. Don't hold me to it though..

IrishTonyO · 18-02-2010 06:14PM

taconnol wrote: »

I did hear rumblings that there will be a Green Party statement at 6pm. Don't hold me to it though..

That's what Gilmore said, that O'Dea would be gone at 6 o'clock

Liam Byrne · 18-02-2010 06:15PM

taconnol wrote: »

Alright that is not fair. 31% of members voted in favour of a motion calling on the parliamentary party to vote against NAMA legislation in the Dáil. That means 69% opposed the motion.

And the "higher authorities" can't change the voting requirements to 95%, etc.

It's perfectly fair, because they phrased it for "two-thirds against" rather than "two-thirds in favour" (or something along those lines) and they had the reverse phrasing for the other motion.

In other words, they used a loophole in the voting requirements to give the issue a better chance of going through.

Changing that didn't require a "change in the voting requirements"; it just required rephrasing the motion.

InisMor · 18-02-2010 06:22PM

IrishTonyO wrote: »

That's what Gilmore said, that O'Dea would be gone at 6 o'clock

Gilmore is wrong. Again.

Gormley went to Cowan about O'Dea. Cowan told Gormley to shove it.

Now the Green's need to figure how to stay in government.

Now there is some tool (who never got elected) from the Green's who went to the Gardai about O'Dea (who gets nearly 20,000 votes every time) on the radio with Mary Wilson.

IrishTonyO · 18-02-2010 06:25PM

InisMor wrote: »

Gilmore is wrong. Again.

Gormley went to Cowan about O'Dea. Cowan told Gormley to shove it.

Now the Green's need to figure how to stay in government.

Now there is some tool (who never got elected) from the Green's who went to the Gardai about O'Dea (who gets nearly 20,000 votes every time) on the radio with Mary Wilson.

and you got this inside information from where?

Trotter · 18-02-2010 06:26PM

Trotter wrote: »

As the hype draws to a close for today (I can feel the tension dropping off)..

I may have been slightly hasty... It seems theres life in the day yet

Willie to be gone sooner than I thought,

or

Greens to have the decision whether to stay or go put in their laps.
Even if this meeting between Gormley and Cowan has happened as mentioned elsewhere, and Cowan has told Gormley to jog on, I still dont see Gormley walking.

Macha · 18-02-2010 06:27PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

It's perfectly fair, because they phrased it for "two-thirds against" rather than "two-thirds in favour" (or something along those lines) and they had the reverse phrasing for the other motion.

What's the difference? How does that give it a better chance? At the end of the day 31% voted against NAMA and 69% voted in favour.

Liam Byrne · 18-02-2010 06:46PM

taconnol wrote: »

What's the difference? How does that give it a better chance? At the end of the day 31% voted against NAMA and 69% voted in favour.

Here's an example :

1) "Are you explicitly in favour of abortion ?"
2) "Are you explicitly against abortion ?"

I know some people who would vote "No" to both.

Another example :

1) "Do you want the death penalty introduced ?"
2) "Do you oppose the introduction of the death penalty ?"

Again, people could vote "No" to both.

In either of the above cases, it's pretty clear that the percentages could vary depending on which question was used.

So

1) Do you support NAMA ?
2) Do you object to NAMA ?

Are actually two completely different questions - it's not simply that one is the negative of the other, because someone could vote "No" to #2 but that would not imply that they would have voted "Yes" to #1.

The bottom line is that 69% did not vote in favour of NAMA. Only 31% were strongly against it, but there's no guarantee that 69% were strongly in favour of it.

stepbar · 18-02-2010 06:50PM

Dan Boyle has no confidence in Willie O'Dea? I have no confidence in Dan Boyle....

Dannyboy1987 · 18-02-2010 06:55PM

I've No confidence in this government. Nothing will ever change with Willie and co in charge .

Macha · 18-02-2010 07:03PM

O'Dea gone - from a number of accounts. Fingers crossed!

IrishTonyO · 18-02-2010 07:04PM

Fianna Fail meeting happening at the moment.....................

InisMor · 18-02-2010 07:04PM

IrishTonyO wrote: »

and you got this inside information from where?

Because the Green's are spineless.

Why do you think they've run back into another meeting?

Hardly likely to pull out of government are they.

The meeting with Cowan and the visit to the Gardai is not "insider information".

johngalway · 18-02-2010 07:05PM

IrishTonyO wrote: »

Pat Rabbitte Eamon Gilmore on Newstalk at the moment, saying the word around Leinster House is that O'Dea will be gone by this evening.

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IrishTonyO · 18-02-2010 07:07PM

InisMor wrote: »

Gilmore is wrong. Again.

Gormley went to Cowan about O'Dea. Cowan told Gormley to shove it.

so it's your opinion not a statement

18-02-2010 07:08PM

taconnol wrote: »

O'Dea gone - from a number of accounts. Fingers crossed!

Hopefully the rest of this useless government are soon to follow :mad:

Trotter · 18-02-2010 07:08PM

If indeed Willie is gone, and it means Greens stay put, I won't be celebrating.
He's hardley going to be replaced by Mother Teresa.

We need an election.

InisMor · 18-02-2010 07:08PM

Dannyboy1987 wrote: »

I've No confidence in this government. Nothing will ever change with Willie and co in charge .

whereas Enda Kenny as leader would benefit us how exactly???

There is nobody capable of leading this country.

meditraitor · 18-02-2010 07:10PM

InisMor wrote: »

whereas Enda Kenny as leader would benefit us how exactly???

There is nobody capable of leading this country.

I could lead it better than present incumbants,

For Forks Sake · 18-02-2010 07:11PM

stepbar wrote: »

Dan Boyle has no confidence in Willie O'Dea? I have no confidence in Dan Boyle....

A clown with no electoral mandate, yet he pops up on every media outlet spouting on as if he was runnng the country

18-02-2010 07:14PM

InisMor wrote: »

whereas Enda Kenny as leader would benefit us how exactly???

There is nobody capable of leading this country.

At this stage it's Anyone but FF tbh.

Dan Boyle has no confidence in Willie O'Dea

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