Karma, "Only in America" Style.

brianthebard wrote: »

That, good sir, is bollocks. You don't give up your rights because you are stupid enough to rob someone, you certainly don't abdicate your right to life.

He didn't do it by robbing someone. He did that by getting himself run over by a drink driver. Rather unfortunate set of circumstances really for all involved, but he put himself in that position. The muggee was within his rights as far as I can see, all he did was wound someone who was trying to mug him.

actuallylike wrote: »

Yeah, I understand. The muggers family going through hell because he's dead and the other family going through hell because of a few lost credit cards, a bit of money and and old johnny, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Hell, let's ALL start mugging people for their wallets. Sure if it's not that big a deal, then why bother with a justice system at all? Maybe one or two muggers will take it a step too far and actually murder people for a small bit of cash and an old condom, but hey, there's too many people in the world as it is!

No sympathy for the mugger, nor the drunk-driver. They both made choices, and they suffer the consequences for them. While I disagree with people being allowed possession of any fire-arms at all, had the victim of the mugger physically fought off the mugger and the same thing happened, I still would say karma's gonna get ya. We all had difficult upbringings to some degree, but you can change your life if you so wish. People who make excuses for the criminals are only enabling them.

Odysseus wrote: »

So if you put someone in fear of their own life, which is more that likely the case if you are mugging someone, you have saying that the person has not got the right to protect themself by using lethal force? A reasonable man will kill another to protect his own life or that of a loved one, therefore is had to be considered with the realms of reasonable force.

People do have the right to protect themselves, I don't think anyone has said otherwise

There's a difference between protecting yourself and rejoicing in the fact that somebody was killed in a case completely detached from their own life

Really all this is is an attempt to make people think that the lax gun laws in the US solve more problems than they cause, which is bullshit

brianthebard wrote: »

Did not say the armed man hadn't a right to protect himself, only that the gloating and glee at the death of the mugger is disproportionate to the situation.



As above. Additionally, the mugger should have gone to prison for his crimes of course, but he obviously would not have been given a death sentence for it, so why should so many here be happy that he was executed, even if it was by 'karma'? That's the ridiculous reactionary opinion that I object to.

I wouldn't be rejoicing the fact that the guy is dead, however, I would voice my support for the person who used his weapon to protect himself.

brianthebard wrote: »

That's fine, I wasn't talking about your post in particular. However you must agree that the whole tone of this thread is off. For a start, the 'karma' allocated to the mugger is disproportionate to his actions; a more realistic karmic payback would be if he was mugged afterwards. And you must see that many people here have the attitude of 'good riddance to bad rubbish' without any insight or empathy for the fact that someone was senselessly killed. I don't expect people to care about every single death or what (before the anti-PC brigade get on my case) I just think its a bit much to rejoice is all.

Fair enough I see your point Brian.

brianthebard wrote: »

That, good sir, is bollocks. You don't give up your rights because you are stupid enough to rob someone, you certainly don't abdicate your right to life. Tbh some of the comments on this thread make reactionary christian ultra-right wing Texans look soft on crime....

actuallylike wrote: »

Are you serious?!?
Fair play?
Fair?!?
I think you need to learn the definition of fair.

whats not fair about it?

if i go to mug someone i go into it knowing the risk... this guy i'm going to rob could have a gun or a knife. I respect the right to life once you respect other peoples right to living with out some **** trying to rob them. I mean was this guy just robbing him with his fists? was he carrying a knife? a syringe? a gun? being born into to poverty really is no excuse for trying to mug someone who you think is an easy target.

by the way the guy who shot him did not even kill him it was the drunk driver that did. Karma is a bitch eh?

hahaha class.