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Manic Moran · 12-02-2010 08:25AM #1

http://www.grandhaventribune.com/paid/296544199183364.bsp

This was a bit different, caught it in my local paper.

A miscreant in Michigan decides to rob a chap at 1:30am in the parking lot of a bar. The intended victim, however, having a concealed firearms permit, was having none of it, and shot the would-be-mugger, wounding him.

As the wounded man ran in a bid to make his escape, he was struck and killed by an underaged drunk driver.

Kindof a happy result for everyone, really. Drunk driver is identified and taken off the road, criminal removed from the streets (with a scraper), law-abiding citizen alive and well.

Story kindof made my day.

NTM

old_aussie · 12-02-2010 08:33AM

It's a win win situation, should be more of it.

uglyjohn · 12-02-2010 08:44AM

was his name earl by any chance?

theg81der · 12-02-2010 08:44AM

Respect for human life???

jd007 · 12-02-2010 08:46AM

Yup made my day too. There's a person (albeit a criminal) dead and his family is probably going through hell atm.

Defo a cheery start to the day.:rolleyes:

Odysseus · 12-02-2010 09:06AM

theg81der wrote: »

Respect for human life???

In that situation no clear and simple. Had the mugger respect for his victim?

theg81der · 12-02-2010 09:51AM

Had the, probably 16 year old, mugger the capacity to respect anyone or themselves? Had life afforded them that luxury?

Give you a different upbringing, a lack of education, abusive parents (if any at all), crushing poverty, no hope for the future etc etc I`d like to see what you have left. No, you probably think he chose that life, doesn`t everyone aspire to be a mugger :rolleyes:.

AnonoBoy · 12-02-2010 09:57AM

theg81der wrote: »

Had the, probably 16 year old, mugger the capacity to respect anyone or themselves? Had life afforded them that luxury?

Give you a different upbringing, a lack of education, abusive parents (if any at all), crushing poverty, no hope for the future etc etc I`d like to see what you have left. No, you probably think he chose that life, doesn`t everyone aspire to be a mugger :rolleyes:.

Exactly. What the hell was the guy doing outside at 1.30am anyway? Doesn't he know disadvantaged people are roaming the streets mugging people at that time through absolutely no fault of their own?

Delirium · 12-02-2010 10:01AM

theg81der wrote: »

Had the, probably 16 year old, mugger the capacity to respect anyone or themselves? Had life afforded them that luxury?

Give you a different upbringing, a lack of education, abusive parents (if any at all), crushing poverty, no hope for the future etc etc I`d like to see what you have left. No, you probably think he chose that life, doesn`t everyone aspire to be a mugger :rolleyes:.

The article says nothing about the muggers age, education or family history.

And he did to a degree chose to mug the person. It's not like you can accidentally mug someone.

theg81der · 12-02-2010 10:02AM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Exactly. What the hell was the guy doing outside at 1.30am anyway? Doesn't he know disadvantaged people are roaming the streets mugging people at that time through absolutely no fault of their own?

Ok, Ok I take your point but you understand mine. He`s a symptom of a problem, the causes needs to be tackled all we have here is probably a dead kid who never had any hope anyway, lifes not fair.

old_aussie · 12-02-2010 10:03AM

uglyjohn wrote: »

was his name earl by any chance?

Hahahahahahah, now that is funny. just like on My Name Is Earl

AnonoBoy · 12-02-2010 10:03AM

theg81der wrote: »

lifes not fair.

But it can be hilarious.

DrumSteve · 12-02-2010 10:04AM

theg81der wrote: »

Had the, probably 16 year old, mugger the capacity to respect anyone or themselves? Had life afforded them that luxury?

Give you a different upbringing, a lack of education, abusive parents (if any at all), crushing poverty, no hope for the future etc etc I`d like to see what you have left. No, you probably think he chose that life, doesn`t everyone aspire to be a mugger :rolleyes:.

Bollocks.

as soon as he chose to rob the guy he gave up his rights. not everyone who comes from that background robs people. they have to make a conscious choice to do it. fair play to the guy for shooting him.

theg81der · 12-02-2010 10:05AM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

But it can be hilarious.

And there it goes...your credibility out the window, as far as I`m concerned.

old_aussie · 12-02-2010 10:06AM

theg81der wrote: »

Respect for human life???

Yeah, the mugger had no respect for his own life, as he must have know many Americans pack heat. So if the mugger had no respect for his own life, how much respect would he have for the life of his victim?

AnonoBoy · 12-02-2010 10:07AM

theg81der wrote: »

And there it goes...your credibility out the window, as far as I`m concerned.

Oh no! What have I done? :eek:

4zn76tysfajdxp · 12-02-2010 10:08AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

The intended victim, however, having a concealed firearms permit, was having none of it, and shot the would-be-mugger, wounding him.

You know there are too many guns in a country when you can actually shoot people with the permits themselves.

old_aussie · 12-02-2010 10:10AM

jd007 wrote: »

Yup made my day too. There's a person (albeit a criminal) dead and his family is probably going through hell atm.

Yeah better the muggers family going through hell by themselves than also the victims family going through hell as well, wondering WHY

NothingMan · 12-02-2010 10:16AM

Why do some people insist on putting human life on such a pedestal. If a dog bit the guy and he shot it it would be the right thing to do. I have more respect for the dogs life than some scumbag mugger.

Besides the "victim" just wounded him, then the idiot runs in front of another idiot's car. It's not that he's dead that makes it hilarious, it's the fact that he's dead because of his own repetitive stupidity. Darwin award nominee!

bonerm · 12-02-2010 10:18AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Kindof a happy result for everyone, really. Drunk driver is identified and taken off the road, criminal removed from the streets (with a scraper), law-abiding citizen alive and well.

To alcohol! The cause of and solution to all of life's problems.

dr.bollocko · 12-02-2010 10:47AM

Has somebody made a comment about pinko leftie bleeding heart liberals yet?

Guy died. Another guy gets some twisted justice via a gun on public streets. 1:30am? Outside a bar? Was he sober? Drunk driver murders somebody. Yeah. Go justice squad.
Christ.

Giselle · 12-02-2010 10:57AM

Odysseus wrote: »

In that situation no clear and simple. Had the mugger respect for his victim?

Yeah, I keep forgetting that two wrongs really do make a right.

Buford T Justice · 12-02-2010 11:09AM

theg81der wrote: »

Ok, Ok I take your point but you understand mine. He`s a symptom of a problem, the causes needs to be tackled all we have here is probably a dead kid who never had any hope anyway, lifes not fair.

Is he? How do you know this?

Biggins · 12-02-2010 11:47AM

theg81der wrote: »

Respect for human life???

Good question - the thief and the drunk driver had none. Meh!
End of story.

Ri_Nollaig · 12-02-2010 11:54AM

theg81der wrote: »

Had the, probably 16 year old, mugger the capacity to respect anyone or themselves? Had life afforded them that luxury?

Give you a different upbringing, a lack of education, abusive parents (if any at all), crushing poverty, no hope for the future etc etc I`d like to see what you have left. No, you probably think he chose that life, doesn`t everyone aspire to be a mugger :rolleyes:.

Would you be so quick to say this if he was mugging you?

Guy holding a knife/gun/plank with a nail sticking out of it: "give me all your money or ill kill you!"
theg81der: "no problem; kind sir, you are part of a larger social problem and I'll do my bit to let you continue and go on to rob the next person"

There is a simple solution, had the mugger not got himself into this position he wouldn't need to worry about his life(he didn't die?) and no matter how bad his upbringing was, I would hope he knows the difference between right and wrong.

biko · 12-02-2010 12:05PM

Instant karma.

bonerm · 12-02-2010 12:11PM

Magnus wrote: »

Instant karma.

's gonna get you.

Minstrel27 · 12-02-2010 12:15PM

One less scumbag in the world.

Odysseus · 12-02-2010 12:40PM

theg81der wrote: »

Had the, probably 16 year old, mugger the capacity to respect anyone or themselves? Had life afforded them that luxury?

Give you a different upbringing, a lack of education, abusive parents (if any at all), crushing poverty, no hope for the future etc etc I`d like to see what you have left. No, you probably think he chose that life, doesn`t everyone aspire to be a mugger :rolleyes:.

I work therapeutically with people who carry out these type of crimes, I had the the different upbringing, and most of the above, half of the people I grew up with are dead. Did I go down that road no. I managed to turn my life around, whilst those I grew up with didn't and either faced the above or m/joy.

I work with people who have the worst type of historical background you can think of, however, it doesn not justify a life of crime. Another side my work is working with staff who have been physically assualted in the course of carrying out their duties, so I also know the effects that a physically assualt can have on a person.

Are people who carry out this type of crime entitled to help, yes of course. Are they entitled to justify their actions on a traumatic past No.

Odysseus · 12-02-2010 12:43PM

Giselle wrote: »

Yeah, I keep forgetting that two wrongs really do make a right.

How is protecting yourself a wrong! It does not say in the article why the person had to use his weapon, but the use of lethal force is justified is you are in fear for your life, it is then considered reasonable force.

brianthebard · 12-02-2010 12:52PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Bollocks.

as soon as he chose to rob the guy he gave up his rights.

That, good sir, is bollocks. You don't give up your rights because you are stupid enough to rob someone, you certainly don't abdicate your right to life. Tbh some of the comments on this thread make reactionary christian ultra-right wing Texans look soft on crime....

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