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What's Worse? Rape or Murder?

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  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Murder for the victim's family
    Rape for the victim

    When you're dead you aren't suffering.
    When you've been raped you could be suffering forever.

    I'd rather be dead than have to suffer the trauma of rape.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    murder is worse of course.

    Taking the premise that the gift of life is the most important thing, then i think its safe to say that the extinguishing of life is more of a loss to the victim than rape, yet while the commiting of either crime in my opinion are equally depraved, the loss of a life is greater.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    Well here's my hypocritical thoughts on it.

    If someone where to do either to someone I knew I would probably be worse emotionally by rape.

    However if it were to happen to me I would much rather suffer being raped than murder.

    You can see from the responses guys and girls have very different views on this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    i'd rather be raped than murdered, i think i could get over rape, but not murder :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    Funny how this has come up this evening.

    Just finished watching the news and there was a story about a Limerick taxi driver who got sentenced today for raping a student he was bringing home one night.

    He was given 7 years.

    Eamon Lillis got 1 month less for killing his wife.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    What's Worse? Rape or Murder?

    I just think its nice he's giving you a choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Rape,murder,arson and rape


  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rape,murder,arson and rape

    these are a few of my favourite things......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I dont think the Law views them as Black and White. You will often see rape cases get more severe sentences than murder cases and vice versa.

    Each is viewed gravely but each individual case will have unique merits and demerits in a court of law.

    I mean heck, youve never seen A Time to Kill?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    Seriously?

    A penis up a vagina can = murder?

    I know it's a horrible, emotionally destroying experience. But, at the end of the day you're still alive.

    :confused:- at someone even asking this question.

    I don't see why the question is invalid...

    How about:

    1. Being tortured for 50 years via the worst torture methods imaginable

    or

    2. Being murdered - 2 quick shots to the head.


    You're still alive in the former but I know which I'd prefer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Bolag_the_2nd


    Xluna wrote: »
    Murder as you have a chance to get your life back together with rape,not true with murder though.

    try tellin that to a rape victim!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Both crimes are heinous, but the punishment should be different of course.
    A bullet in the head for murder/ or life meaning life
    A bullet in the 8alls for rape/ castration as an option with a mandatory 15 years in jail.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,896 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    A number of American States still have the death penalty on the books for rape. However, it's sortof redundant since sentences are automatically commuted by the Federal courts which consider the penalty to be disproportionate.

    Still a possibility in some other countries, however.

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    try tellin that to a rape victim!!!!!

    You could have a point but you try tellin that to a murder victim.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Murder has been considered to be one of the worst crimes that can be committed for hundreds if not thousands of years.

    Rape, in Ireland anyways, has only been recognised as being of similar severity in the last 30 odd years or so.

    Also, murder is considered an extremely serious crime in almost every country in the world while in some countries rape is still not seen as that serious an offence as, say adultery (or being raped as the media would have it).

    From a historical and multicultural point of view therefore, it seems that murder is still the reigning champion.

    Neither of them are as bad as genocide though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Bolag_the_2nd


    the murdered persons family get to bury there loved one, the rape victim lives the nightmare night after night, never to trust another person again, not all rapists get caught, so u never know who is standing bestde you in the supermarket, i know if it were me, id take the bullet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,669 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    I say rape is a lot worse then murder. Rape victims have to live with that torment until they die. It completely destroys people form the inside and can also lead to suicide. At least with death you're spared the torture and the misery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pookie82


    I'd rather be murdered than raped. A million times over. Would much rather be dead than held down, raped and tortured with the trauma and memory of it afterwards. I know some people come through it but couldn't see myself ever getting over something like that. Would honestly rather be dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,834 ✭✭✭Useful.Idiot


    Rape victims may suffer trauma but they can still live their life, be with their friends, grow old and eventually become happy again. They could also find solace if their attacker is found behind bars.

    Murder, you're gone. thats it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    I think murder is very obviously of much greater gravity, and the people with law degrees who make and embody our laws agree: Rape usually carries a sentence of between 5-15 years depending on the severity; murder is usually between 15-35.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Bolag_the_2nd


    I think murder is very obviously of much greater gravity, and the people with law degrees who make and embody our laws agree: Rape usually carries a sentence of between 5-15 years depending on the severity; murder is usually between 15-35.


    what about the life sentance for the rape victim?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,043 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Given the impact and fall out I have seen from both, I would say rape.
    Most people due to the taboo around rape are not aware of the impact and trama which the victim suffers and that of those close to them and so will say murder.

    The victim of murder is gone, the family do start to grieve and while it's a hard process it's an understood one.

    For those who are raped and those close to them the taboo, court system, lack of suport and understanding and tackling the issues which are personal and cultural to my mind means many many more years of pain and anguish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Rape for the individual, murder for the loved ones left behind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    I'd say rape myself. It is one of the most desipicable crimes and anyone who does it....ahhh **** it. You get my point.

    Even amongst criminals (from what I've read/seen) rape is considered the lowest of the low.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    You often hear of murder in a crime of passion or revenge but it's still taken somebody's life . Rape is complete violation of the persons body leaving them with deep trauma and emotional scars for life so both equally on par with each other .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    what about the life sentance for the rape victim?

    What about the forever and ever sentence for the dead fellow?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Both are something that entail something that has being done against the victims will so they're both equally as bad.

    whats your stance on chineese burns


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 415 ✭✭SeanKev


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    I don't see why the question is invalid...

    How about:

    1. Being tortured for 50 years via the worst torture methods imaginable

    or

    2. Being murdered - 2 quick shots to the head.


    You're still alive in the former but I know which I'd prefer.

    This, depends.

    A 16 year old myself, I'd honestly rather be raped then my life taken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Bolag_the_2nd


    What about the forever and ever sentence for the dead fellow?

    the families can lay to rest the murder victim, they can say there goodbies and in time go back to semi normal, the rape victim has to relive there ordeal over and over, in some cases never knowing who violated them, nightmares n maybe suicide, to take the one thing that should be perfect and make it a dirty deed, how can that person freely love again, be it male or female, thats a lot to live with.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Both same,You rape someone you rape them forever and they are never same person and whole family of life and happiness as they have to cope with it.Murder someone you rape whole family.


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