Are ye embarrassed?

Angry Troll · 06-02-2010 07:39PM

and just this (unfortunately widespread) attitude is one of the underlying reasons ireland is in that piigs group…

Gunnerkid · 06-02-2010 07:43PM

to the op if you dont like it **** off out of this country, by the way there are plenty of hard working Irish like there are plenty of hardworking polish, americans, germans, english ect ect ect. There will always be a minority of lazy bums in every society. And I really do not give two ****s what the NY times has to say about us maybe they should be looking at their countrys problems instead of ares

Kivaro · 06-02-2010 08:01PM

Gunnerkid wrote: »

to the op if you dont like it **** off out of this country, by the way there are plenty of hard working Irish like there are plenty of hardworking polish, americans, germans, english ect ect ect. There will always be a minority of lazy bums in every society. And I really do not give two ****s what the NY times has to say about us maybe they should be looking at their countrys problems instead of ares

I left 2 years ago and my quality of life has drastically improved. I tried to change the status quo in Ireland, but it was like banging my head against a brick wall.

I feel bad for the sizable percentage of Irish people who are hard working and live their lives in a conscientious manner.

JuliusCaesar · 06-02-2010 08:40PM

Kivaro wrote: »

I feel bad for the sizable percentage of Irish people who are hard working and live their lives in a conscientious manner.

Well, unfortunately if you weren't in the cabal (FF tent) you counted for SFA

06-02-2010 08:56PM

caseyann wrote: »

Wow another one:rolleyes: As a matter of fact speak again only for your self.I know plenty of teens who want to work and aren't allowed until 16 :rolleyes:
I worked with teens in a school and they would have jumped at chance of working but aren't allowed to.I myself worked from 12 and so did my sister and my brother.All my friends worked.And all them teens i worked with when hit 16 got part time jobs some two.
Seriously this whole ****ting on your own country and bad mouthing them is getting old in favour of other countries.Its beyond sad.

Oh, do you? Good for you. I'll leave aside the fact that I didn't grow up in Ireland (so '****ting on my own country' doesn't apply) as my laziness could have been caused by my Irish genes. Have you ever worked in another country? I've worked in several, and on the whole, the laziest, most useless employees who constantly called in sick from being hungover or showed up to work hungover were Irish. In fact, when I lived in Belgium, I was discriminated against by employers when I said I was from Ireland. I was told they'd had very bad experiences with Irish being unreliable and lazy, not turning up to work and doing the bare minimum when they did turn up. That didn't surprise me in the slightest.

plein de force · 06-02-2010 10:06PM

yeah i'm scarlet :P

caseyann · 06-02-2010 10:24PM

[quote=[Deleted User];64347850]Oh, do you? Good for you. I'll leave aside the fact that I didn't grow up in Ireland (so '****ting on my own country' doesn't apply) as my laziness could have been caused by my Irish genes. Have you ever worked in another country? I've worked in several, and on the whole, the laziest, most useless employees who constantly called in sick from being hungover or showed up to work hungover were Irish. In fact, when I lived in Belgium, I was discriminated against by employers when I said I was from Ireland. I was told they'd had very bad experiences with Irish being unreliable and lazy, not turning up to work and doing the bare minimum when they did turn up. That didn't surprise me in the slightest.[/QUOTE]

So whats your other genes? Maybe blame your laziness on that gene :rolleyes:

07-02-2010 12:52PM

caseyann wrote: »

So whats your other genes? Maybe blame your laziness on that gene :rolleyes:

You're really good at missing the point, aren't you? This isn't about me. FYI, I'm mostly English, and nobody has ever given me the 'English people are lazy' speech at an interview.

loctite · 07-02-2010 01:26PM

[quote=[Deleted User];64347850]Oh, do you? Good for you. I'll leave aside the fact that I didn't grow up in Ireland (so '****ting on my own country' doesn't apply) as my laziness could have been caused by my Irish genes. Have you ever worked in another country? I've worked in several, and on the whole, the laziest, most useless employees who constantly called in sick from being hungover or showed up to work hungover were Irish. In fact, when I lived in Belgium, I was discriminated against by employers when I said I was from Ireland. I was told they'd had very bad experiences with Irish being unreliable and lazy, not turning up to work and doing the bare minimum when they did turn up. That didn't surprise me in the slightest.[/QUOTE]

You've obviously never worked in Oz so....... THEY are the laziest workforce on the planet......

Anyway whats the big deal?.... everyone is entitled to their own opinion of what a healthy work ethic is.... In today's day and age, with such an abundance of supply of labour on the market, all those that are harder working will most likely maintain their jobs while their slacker co-workers are cut as companies strive to increase productivity.

I would like to class myself as one of those hard workers, but the older I become the more I realise that when I die, I'm not going to look back at my life wishing I had worked harder.....

Work to live, not live to work........remember that the economy exists to make our lives better, not so we can work ourselves to the bone to increase productivity and GDP... That's my opinion anyway.

El Siglo · 07-02-2010 01:49PM

I'm actually getting annoyed reading the whole 'the Irish are so lazy and every other country works harder...' bullshit. We're not lazy, how did we ever end up with real economic growth in the 1990s? That was when our economy was based on manufacturing growth, before the credit fueled housing bubble. What's funny is the Irish have always been called lazy, all we're missing in the thread is an illustration or cartoon of 'Paddy the violent drunk' from Punch. We're relaxed but definitely not lazy.
I don't mind being lumped in with Spain, Portugal, Greece etc... we've always been lumped in with them, that's no surprise nor is it something to be ashamed of, similar economies and political institutions (conservative and corrupt as fuck). The big problem with this country that'll separate us from the rest is that we wont learn from our mistakes and sooner or later, we're going to have another housing bubble or that's what the government wants. That's the economic recovery in a nut shell and if you think I'm wrong, why the fuck did we bail out Anglo? BOI and AIB I can get, but Anglo, that was a developers bank and epitomises the housing bubble.

cleremy jarkson · 07-02-2010 01:52PM

Overheal wrote: »

I never referred to other Countries I referred to The Republic of Ireland located at 57^N by 7^W.

Ah right...I just meant the other four.

07-02-2010 04:29PM

loctite wrote: »

You've obviously never worked in Oz so....... THEY are the laziest workforce on the planet......

Anyway whats the big deal?.... everyone is entitled to their own opinion of what a healthy work ethic is.... In today's day and age, with such an abundance of supply of labour on the market, all those that are harder working will most likely maintain their jobs while their slacker co-workers are cut as companies strive to increase productivity.

I would like to class myself as one of those hard workers, but the older I become the more I realise that when I die, I'm not going to look back at my life wishing I had worked harder.....

Work to live, not live to work........remember that the economy exists to make our lives better, not so we can work ourselves to the bone to increase productivity and GDP... That's my opinion anyway.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I think life is too short to work yourself into the ground. I'm simply saying that having in worked in various places, I've found the Irish to be generally lazier than other nationalities and therefore it's no surprise that we are not being lumped in with the Germans as an efficient and productive workforce.

caseyann · 07-02-2010 11:14PM

[quote=[Deleted User];64354239]You're really good at missing the point, aren't you? This isn't about me. FYI, I'm mostly English, and nobody has ever given me the 'English people are lazy' speech at an interview.[/QUOTE]

Maybe because you tell them your Irish :rolleyes: Try saying your English next time or do you swap and change :pac:

English are all such hard working brilliant people aren't they all of them not a single one who would binge drink or go to work with a hang over or would try get out of doing something in work.:rolleyes:

Yes worked abroad have been told Irish are approachable friendly warm hard working and will never try to avoid a job they are given.I say Irish and i am like in the door almost immediately even invited to work abroad.
Funny isn't it how some say one thing and others say another.Every country in world has lazy bums,other people who don't do the work are not happy with it but have no choice.

Ah all us Irish lazy bums god shame on us we didn't make jobs in this country,nor did our grandparents or great grand parents work for pennies blood and sweat.It was everyone else in world

caseyann · 07-02-2010 11:16PM

loctite wrote: »

You've obviously never worked in Oz so....... THEY are the laziest workforce on the planet......

Anyway whats the big deal?.... everyone is entitled to their own opinion of what a healthy work ethic is.... In today's day and age, with such an abundance of supply of labour on the market, all those that are harder working will most likely maintain their jobs while their slacker co-workers are cut as companies strive to increase productivity.

I would like to class myself as one of those hard workers, but the older I become the more I realise that when I die, I'm not going to look back at my life wishing I had worked harder.....

Work to live, not live to work........remember that the economy exists to make our lives better, not so we can work ourselves to the bone to increase productivity and GDP... That's my opinion anyway.

No but that's how they see it if you aren't making the big wigs money and breaking your neck for them you are lazy work force.

Son Of A Vidic · 07-02-2010 11:47PM

Xluna wrote: »

That would be an ecumenical matter!:mad:

I'm putting the NY Times down in my list of enemies.......haha only joking.

Prof.Badass · 07-02-2010 11:56PM

markesmith wrote: »

1. Catholicism, and the attendant work ethic.

. Could you explain this one please?

I can't see the link between catholocism and work ethic....

Misty Chaos · 08-02-2010 12:11AM

Put it this way, if you were working in completely thankless job, your work ethic would tend to go down the drain! ( Do I need to mention its soul destroying? )

Another thing, I know people ( including family ) who overwork themselves and end up going on 3-4+ day benders as a result because ' they deserve a break. ' :rolleyes:

I'm just saying.

08-02-2010 12:14AM

vinylmesh wrote: »

. Could you explain this one please?

I can't see the link between catholocism and work ethic....

Don't work on Sunday or the priest (who is actually working) will kick your arse!

gamblitis · 08-02-2010 12:43AM

Bonito wrote: »

GIRLS!!!

More Water!

08-02-2010 12:53AM

gamblitis wrote: »

More Water!

"Ride them sideways was another one"

thetonynator · 08-02-2010 01:03AM

on the earlier point of teenagers not being interested in working, that is completely wrong. I am a teenager, and more or less every teenager I know would give anything to have a job. In case anyone didn't notice, we've got over 12.5% unemployment, its not a case of walking into macdonalds and getting a job on the spot anymore.

08-02-2010 01:15AM

caseyann wrote: »

Maybe because you tell them your Irish :rolleyes: Try saying your English next time or do you swap and change :pac:

I don't say anything, I give in whatever ID I have on me at the time. I don't know what's so funny about that, I have dual nationality.

English are all such hard working brilliant people aren't they all of them not a single one who would binge drink or go to work with a hang over or would try get out of doing something in work.:rolleyes:

Keep going on the defensive. I don't care. I'm simply telling you that the Irish do not have a good reputation for hard work in most of Europe, and New York was the same. I worked on front desk of a big hotel and it was always the young (and not so young) Irish employees calling in sick hungover and asking me to tell the manager it was food poisoning, or coming into work hungover and spending the day getting water and complaining about how crap they felt.

Yes worked abroad have been told Irish are approachable friendly warm hard working and will never try to avoid a job they are given.I say Irish and i am like in the door almost immediately even invited to work abroad.
Funny isn't it how some say one thing and others say another.Every country in world has lazy bums,other people who don't do the work are not happy with it but have no choice.

Approachable, friendly and warm, yes I hear that a lot, but rarely hardworking. Irish people usually are well liked, but that doesn't mean they're not considered lazy. Of course it's a generalisation, of course I know hardworking Irish people. But having worked abroad, the attitude to work is just totally different in other countries. I'm not saying I want to be like that, being rather lazy myself, but I can easily see how other nations are more productive.

Ah all us Irish lazy bums god shame on us we didn't make jobs in this country,nor did our grandparents or great grand parents work for pennies blood and sweat.It was everyone else in world

Have you ever heard of the EU? Or foreign investment? You might want to look into Ireland's economic history.

Prof.Badass · 08-02-2010 10:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't work on Sunday or the priest (who is actually working) will kick your arse!

I don't see how working on sundays would improve work ethic (diminish it if anything i'd say). And anyway, don't all western countries have a 5 day working week?

It's not as if it's confined to catholic countries

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Pittens · 08-02-2010 10:49AM

I can't see the link between catholocism and work ethic....

Its a protestant myth. Every so often a Catholic country surprises the UK by passing them in productivity, like Ireland, Italy, Spain etc. and they forget it for a while. Then cyclical factors intervene and it comes back.

I am inclined to agree with the lad who suggested that working hard is for mugs. Unless you are entrepeneurial, dont. Work smart. Get into management and hire hard workers but take it easy yourself.

Very few people get rich from hard work - property development is not that much os a strain, nor is hedge fund management ( which is also risklesss), but working in a sweat shop is.

Irish people, as it happens, are incredibly productive. Second to Americans. More fool us.

"The average US worker produces $63,885 of wealth per year, more than their counterparts in all other countries, the International Labor Organization said in its report. Ireland comes in second at $55,986, followed by Luxembourg at $55,641, Belgium at $55,235, and France at $54,609."

Obviously that means that private sector workers probably make up to $100K per person per year for their companies. That actually does justify Ireland's high wages, unlike Greece which has high wages and low productivity.

More fool us. There is little to be proud of in working for the man, earning an average income, and dying. better to be the man, and the man is on the golf course.

Pittens · 08-02-2010 11:24AM

It's not as if it's confined to catholic countries .

In fact it is more a Protestant thing to not work Sundays. We work on Sundays much more than the Germans. And people work when they have to - shift work, factory work, hospitals, shops.

caseyann · 10-02-2010 08:51PM

[quote=[Deleted User];64365797]I don't say anything, I give in whatever ID I have on me at the time. I don't know what's so funny about that, I have dual nationality.

Keep going on the defensive. I don't care. I'm simply telling you that the Irish do not have a good reputation for hard work in most of Europe, and New York was the same. I worked on front desk of a big hotel and it was always the young (and not so young) Irish employees calling in sick hungover and asking me to tell the manager it was food poisoning, or coming into work hungover and spending the day getting water and complaining about how crap they felt.

Approachable, friendly and warm, yes I hear that a lot, but rarely hardworking. Irish people usually are well liked, but that doesn't mean they're not considered lazy. Of course it's a generalisation, of course I know hardworking Irish people. But having worked abroad, the attitude to work is just totally different in other countries. I'm not saying I want to be like that, being rather lazy myself, but I can easily see how other nations are more productive.

Have you ever heard of the EU? Or foreign investment? You might want to look into Ireland's economic history.[/QUOTE]

First i dont care if you arelazy or not thats personality of your own and nothing to do with genes:rolleyes:

Second off before any EU help my and majority of everyones Irish family worked their asses off to build this country.Money doesnt build a country people do :rolleyes: I am sick of people pulling EU card out of their back side.

11-02-2010 02:28AM

caseyann wrote: »

First i dont care if you arelazy or not thats personality of your own and nothing to do with genes:rolleyes:

Second off before any EU help my and majority of everyones Irish family worked their asses off to build this country.Money doesnt build a country people do :rolleyes: I am sick of people pulling EU card out of their back side.

So the Irish economy was just booming before all the foreign investment, was it? I'm sure Nicaraguans have worked hard to build their country too, it doesn't make it rich and successful.

force majeure · 11-02-2010 02:36AM

I'm giving thought to falling off the wagon as we are f***d and the economy is f***d and I have no date for Val's day... may be one big bender tomorrow in ballybunion and then ist time to face the music any open to join me. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS whats this I hear about Iran and the Greek. :cool:

caseyann · 11-02-2010 12:58PM

[quote=[Deleted User];64418910]So the Irish economy was just booming before all the foreign investment, was it? I'm sure Nicaraguans have worked hard to build their country too, it doesn't make it rich and successful.[/QUOTE]

I see you put a price on happiness

This country even if not rich in economy was something to be alot more proud and happy in then the place it has become.And what ever you want to say what ever.Because i grew up here and witnessed my parents going out working their asses off and all my family who moved abroad worked their asses off to.
You are not Irish.Irish people don't bad mouth the hard work their families put in for them.Without hard workers money doesn't build a country

No matter how many times you want to say it.If not for the Irish slogging their guts out in this country there would be no work for the other nationalities to come in and get. Money may provide growth but if Irish weren't working they wouldn't have stayed would they :rolleyes:

schween · 11-02-2010 01:14PM

caseyann wrote: »

:rolleyes:

<< You REALLY like that smiley.:rolleyes:

I can't comment on how the Irish are compared to other nationalities as I haven't live in enough countries to make a judgment. Living in one other country and saying you lived abroad means very little with all the countries there is.

But I do see both sides of the argument. I know plenty of hard working Irish people and I know plenty of lazy slobs trying to do the bare minimum.

Are ye embarrassed?

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