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UFOs,alien abductions?

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  • #32
    NothingMan
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Of course there is Alien life.

    I have been abducted and i can explain it in every detail if you want me to.

    I'd love you to. Please describe how every orphus was violated. How over the months of being repeatedly sodomised you came to enjoy the experiences and turned to a life of renting your body in an attempt to find a man with a probe shaped penis with which to relive your alien fantasies.

    How it eventually lead to you abandoning all your worldly possessions and friends and family to pursue a life of worship to your alien masters, wandering the country side converting the masses to your religion. Re-enforcing a belief that one day they will return and place you in a high position as chief sodomiser to the Jaki race. Rising through the ranks to become a chieftain of your clan and one day traverse the universe to probe and ultimately convert the entire universe to your way of life.


  • #33
    dlofnep
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    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    If they exist, they would be here.

    I can only assume that you are unaware of the size of the universe. Because a civilization a million light years away might have the technology to visit earth, does not necessarily mean that they would want to visit, or even know that we exist.

    That's not to say that a civilization has not visited before. Whether it be in the past 100 years, or 1000 years ago. It would seem very close-minded to reject the possibility of it happening. That's not to say that it has happened, but that the possibility is there.


  • #34
    the_syco
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    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    If they exist, they would be here.
    Seeing as how humans tend to drop nukes on people who humans don't like, I'd say they're waiting for us to becomes more peacefull...
    dlofnep wrote: »
    That's not to say that a civilization has not visited before. Whether it be in the past 100 years, or 1000 years ago. It would seem very close-minded to reject the possibility of it happening. That's not to say that it has happened, but that the possibility is there.
    Google the ruins in Peru and near Tiahuanaco, in Bolivia. The stuff fits together like lego, with some of the blocks weighing between 100 and 440 tons. Looking at that, it seems possible that they were made by aliens.

    There's a book from 1911 http://books.google.com/books?id=EjBlAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s about the place that has, although a more scientific bias, a lot of it is if's and maybe's on how the rocks were carved up.


  • #35
    Xluna
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    the_syco wrote: »

    Google the ruins in Peru and near Tiahuanaco, in Bolivia. The stuff fits together like lego, with some of the blocks weighing between 100 and 440 tons. Looking at that, it seems possible that they were made by aliens.

    There's a book from 1911 http://books.google.com/books?id=EjBlAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s about the place that has, although a more scientific bias, a lot of it is if's and maybe's on how the rocks were carved up.

    Has'nt most that ancient astronaut theory been debunked and Van Daniken proven wrong?


  • #36
    Red Hand
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    I can only assume that you are unaware of the size of the universe. Because a civilization a million light years away might have the technology to visit earth, does not necessarily mean that they would want to visit, or even know that we exist.

    That's not to say that a civilization has not visited before. Whether it be in the past 100 years, or 1000 years ago. It would seem very close-minded to reject the possibility of it happening. That's not to say that it has happened, but that the possibility is there.

    I can only assume that you are unaware of the Fermi Paradox.

    I admit that I'm unaware of the size of the universe...but then again, who is? By it's very nature, it's almost unmeasurable and unfathomable in the human mind.
    the_syco wrote:

    Google the ruins in Peru and near Tiahuanaco, in Bolivia. The stuff fits together like lego, with some of the blocks weighing between 100 and 440 tons. Looking at that, it seems possible that they were made by aliens.

    People always come up with this nonsense. Were the pyramids at Gisa designed by aliens as well? I mean, articially created mountain-shaped structures...must be alien, right?

    People are quite ingenious. Egyptians hacked obelisks out of solid rock, using nothing more than spherical granite pounders. No alien technology required. The work may have been extremely mundane and repetitive, but it was the work of people, not aliens or God.;)

    Likewise, the structures you tell us to google. This von Daeniken guy has alot to answer for...he put this sh*te out there that it can only have been lasers that carved the rock so precisely...whatever happened to good ole human gumption and toil?;)

    His research makes good toilet paper though, very absorbant.


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  • #37
    Xluna
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    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    I admit that I'm unaware of the size of the universe...but then again, who is? By it's very nature, it's almost unmeasurable and unfathomable in the human mind.

    Scientists concur that,given the vastness of the Universe, it is very likely that there are planets which are hospitable for life to evolve to the point of our level and beyond.


  • #38
    Red Hand
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    Xluna wrote: »
    Scientists concur that,given the vastness of the Universe, it is very likely that there are planets which are hospitable for life to evolve to the point of our level and beyond.

    Yep, I know, and its probably true. But if life does teem, why are we the only pond life setting off nukes/noising up our locality with radio-waves/throwing junk about the place in the form of defunct rockets.

    Why aren't they here and colonising? Or is that too human-ocentric?:pac:


  • #39
    Xluna
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    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    Yep, I know, and its probably true. But if life does teem, why are we the only pond life setting off nukes/noising up our locality with radio-waves/throwing junk about the place in the form of defunct rockets.

    Why aren't they here and colonising? Or is that too human-ocentric?:pac:

    Well,the basic reason is distance-sheer distance. You really need to have a grasp on how vast the Universe actually is.So when people say "teeming" they mean in respect to the size the Universe. The most likely reason we hav'nt heard from them is due to this huge distance,though it's not hugh when you consider the size of the Universe itself, between them and us. A species would have to evolve to a level of civilisation where we would almost mistake them as Gods to traverse the distance. In fact if we are ever visited by aliens it would most likely be their technolgy,Robots,rather than the aliens themselves.


  • #40
    dlofnep
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    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    I can only assume that you are unaware of the Fermi Paradox.

    You'd assume wrong.
    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    I admit that I'm unaware of the size of the universe...but then again, who is?

    No, but we have a good estimate for the size of the observable universe. And given that - we can assume that the possibility for extremely intelligent life existing outside of the Earth is very high.

    I'm not making the proposal that we have for certain been visited. But I'm certainly not the one either using my own limited understanding as a mold for what can or cannot occur.

    The first problem is suggesting that life cannot visit earth, because of the distance between Earth and other star systems. The idea being that because we cannot go beyond the speed of light, that other civilizations would not have conquered long-distance travel. By doing that - you are placing our limited understanding of time and space as the context of what's possible, and that's very ignorant to do.

    The second problem that's suggested is that - If they have visited, why don't we have concrete evidence?

    The could be disputed in a number of ways. One, they may not have visited us recently. Secondly, they may not have visited us at a close proximity and studied us from further afield. Thirdly, one of the thousand's of sightings seen around the world every year might actually be valid.

    Maybe they haven't visited us - I'm not saying either way. But to reject the possibility that they "could" is extremely ignorant IMO.


  • #41
    Red Hand
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    Xluna wrote: »
    Well,the basic reason is distance-sheer distance. You really need to have a grasp on how vast the Universe actually is.So when people say "teeming" they mean in respect to the size the Universe. The most likely reason we hav'nt heard from them is due to this huge distance,though it's not hugh when you consider the size of the Universe itself, between them and us. A species would have to evolve to a level of civilisation where we would almost mistake them as Gods to traverse the distance. In fact if we are ever visited by aliens it would most likely be their technolgy,Robots,rather than the aliens themselves.

    Well, our system has been about for 5 billion years. The universe is 15 billion years old. You would think a God civilsation would have evolved in that time somewhere in order to traverse the whole lot and hold everything it's grasp.


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  • #42
    Red Hand
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    dlofnep wrote: »

    Maybe they haven't visited us - I'm not saying either way. But to reject the possibility that they "could" is extremely ignorant IMO.

    Oh, I'm not rejecting it at all. I'm just curious as to why they aren't here strip-mining and making the sun go nova for their energy needs.

    Maybe they have reached the level of Gods and don't see the point for travelling or exploring or colonising. Maybe when you get to that level, there is no point in doing anything if you know all there is to know.


  • #43
    pablomakaveli
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    I'd say its quite likely that there is intelligent life somewhere out there in the universe. We know that our solar system isn't the only one with planets thanks to recent discoveries and we know some of those planets may be similar to ours and may meet the conditions to support life.

    However that does not mean there are aliens visiting us. Even if there are aliens who have the capability to travel to earth why should they. If they are aware we exist they might not consider us important or interesting enough to visit because in the grand scheme of things we are of little importance.

    I also hate it when people say things like "the aliens built the pyramids/stonehenge etc" because it is probably untrue and it also takes away from the achievement of the people who did build them.


  • #44
    dlofnep
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    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    I also hate it when people say things like "the aliens built the pyramids/stonehenge etc" because it is probably untrue and it also takes away from the achievement of the people who did build them.

    People from Cork? :D


  • #45
    dlofnep
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    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    Oh, I'm not rejecting it at all.

    Didn't you state in a previous post "If they exist, they would be here"?
    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    I'm just curious as to why they aren't here strip-mining and making the sun go nova for their energy needs.

    Why would the travel millions of lights years (assuming they have fuel problems), when they could probably travel someone much closer, probably even within their own solar system to satisfy those requires?

    That's even if you are making the assumption that even have fuel deficiencies. Who's to say they haven't mastered alternative energy sources? Too much "assuming" is going on tbh.
    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    Maybe they have reached the level of Gods and don't see the point for travelling or exploring or colonising. Maybe when you get to that level, there is no point in doing anything if you know all there is to know.

    I'm not sure what the level of gods is - but they might not have any vested interest in earth and have no reason to come here. Or, they may be like we are - a very curious species and want to investigate as much as possible.


  • #46
    Red Hand
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Didn't you state in a previous post "If they exist, they would be here"?

    I did, the Fermi Paradox. Should have referenced it in my post.

    Why would the travel millions of lights years (assuming they have fuel problems), when they could probably travel someone much closer, probably even within their own solar system to satisfy those requires?

    That's even if you are making the assumption that even have fuel deficiencies. Who's to say they haven't mastered alternative energy sources? Too much "assuming" is going on tbh.

    Your initial post of "I can only assume that you are unaware of the size of the universe" riled me up a little, making it out as if I don't know jack sh*t.

    This is more an extention of that riling...I am purposefully wasting your time in making you argue against somebody who doesn't really care one way or the other, and has seen arguments for and against before.

    Toodles!


  • #47
    dlofnep
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    Good talk.


  • #48
    KeithAFC
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    NothingMan wrote: »
    I'd love you to. Please describe how every orphus was violated. How over the months of being repeatedly sodomised you came to enjoy the experiences and turned to a life of renting your body in an attempt to find a man with a probe shaped penis with which to relive your alien fantasies.

    How it eventually lead to you abandoning all your worldly possessions and friends and family to pursue a life of worship to your alien masters, wandering the country side converting the masses to your religion. Re-enforcing a belief that one day they will return and place you in a high position as chief sodomiser to the Jaki race. Rising through the ranks to become a chieftain of your clan and one day traverse the universe to probe and ultimately convert the entire universe to your way of life.
    I feel you are mocking my experiences. It was actually a nice experience. A lot of people make them out to be nasty but they are actually very nice people.

    They have technology far beyond our imagination. They showed me how they pin point planets and other life forms. They aren't actually alien grays but a lot like humans.

    They can control the minds of people with simply brain power. It's like mediumship skills but they have developed milleniums past that stage of brain power.

    This is why they adbuct people and work experiments on them to find out the stage of development the human brain is in and all major governments around the world are well aware of this and allow this to happen.

    They aren't that bigger than actual humans but speed wise and strength, different league completely.


  • #49
    the_syco
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    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    Likewise, the structures you tell us to google. This von Daeniken guy has alot to answer for...he put this sh*te out there that it can only have been lasers that carved the rock so precisely...whatever happened to good ole human gumption and toil?;)

    His research makes good toilet paper though, very absorbant.
    Dunno about the von Daeniken guyat all. Meh. As for the laser, and stuff, I doubt it for one reason: the link I gave is to a book printed in 1911 that states the measurements aren't right angles, etc. I still like it. That and the epic Peruvian desert runways.

    =-=

    It's a pity man didn't learn to write stuff down at an earlier age. Would love to know how they got the schematics of some of the pyramids correct, when they are aligned with the stars...


  • #50
    pablomakaveli
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    KeithAFC wrote: »

    They aren't actually alien grays but a lot like humans.

    This kind of dissproves your experience as real. The idea that intelligent aliens will be humanlike is unrealistic given that they would evolve in a planet with different conditions to ours and thus would probably follow a different evolutionary path.


  • #51
    dlofnep
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    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    This kind of dissproves your experience as real. The idea that intelligent aliens will be humanlike is unrealistic given that they would evolve in a planet with different conditions to ours and thus would probably follow a different evolutionary path.

    Actually it doesn't disprove his experience. There is nothing to cancel out the possibility of human-like life elsewhere. While the likes of Carl Sagan suggested that life elsewhere was probably not human-like, it would be ignorant to rule out it totally.

    In any case, I don't believe a word of what the poster claimed. But just wanted to highlight the flaw in your argument.


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  • #52
    pablomakaveli
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Actually it doesn't disprove his experience. There is nothing to cancel out the possibility of human-like life elsewhere. While the likes of Carl Sagan suggested that life elsewhere was probably not human-like, it would be ignorant to rule out it totally.

    I never said it was impossible but unrealistic. Given the size of the universe a race of intelligent human like races is possible but there would be far more un-humanlike ones and we'd probably be more likely to encounter these ones.

    If you look at a lot of abduction reports people cite the aliens as humanlike. This is because in popular culture (films, stories etc) the aliens are always humanlike.


  • #53
    dlofnep
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    I didn't dispute the possibilities of human-like aliens. I was calling on your use of it as disproving the poster's claims. It doesn't disprove it. It calls it into question, but does not disprove it.


  • #54
    caseyann
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    Jeremiah 33 3 wrote: »
    If they exist, they would be here.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA if they exsist they would be smarter to not be here:P
    Not like humans would treat them good is it.

    Maybe they are here;)


  • #55
    KeithAFC
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Actually it doesn't disprove his experience. There is nothing to cancel out the possibility of human-like life elsewhere. While the likes of Carl Sagan suggested that life elsewhere was probably not human-like, it would be ignorant to rule out it totally.

    In any case, I don't believe a word of what the poster claimed. But just wanted to highlight the flaw in your argument.
    Well im sorry you think that. I hope one day the world makes contact with them and you can all see for yourself. I will never forget it.


  • #56
    dlofnep
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Well im sorry you think that. I hope one day the world makes contact with them and you can all see for yourself. I will never forget it.

    I hope we make contact too. But you're going to have to forgive us if we don't take every claim of abduction on the internet as a fact.

    Name 3 unique things that you feel would help us believe your story. I'll give you an example.


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