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  • #32
    poppyvalley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭poppyvalley


    xsiborg wrote: »
    employees who whinge about their employers not paying the minimum wage should realise that their feet are not stuck with bostik and they can leave the job! :rolleyes:
    there is Absolutely no control on profit which is made on the backs of these workers. hows about a "maximum wage":mad::pac:


  • #33
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    €350 for a 40 Hour week. How could people live on less that this and pay for Health Insurance, Rent, Food, GP etc etc


    Get real.......lots of people I know are now making €1200 a month in retail sector. Employers have cut hours, bonuses and overtime. While still keeping their' employees coming in five days a week and no alternative employment available to them to choose from.

    Slavery has already arrived here months ago, wake youself up if you're that interested. All we had on the bluddy news is is whingin' public sector workers. Not a word about what's really going on.


  • #34
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Mark200 wrote: »
    A single room and food is the basics. If you want more, you can work harder or get an education required for a better paying job.

    Yeah, cos nobody with an education ever had a bad job..... :rolleyes:

    Get real buddy.


  • #35
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    davyjose wrote: »
    Yeah, cos nobody with an education ever had a bad job..... :rolleyes:

    Get real buddy.

    You misunderstood my post. If you know of a job that you want that requires a certain education, then get that education. Hence the "education required for a better paying job.". I don't see why McDonalds should be forced to pay for a house and health insurance for every single one of their employees.


  • #36
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    squod wrote: »
    Get real.......lots of people I know are now making €1200 a month in retail sector. Employers have cut hours, bonuses and overtime. While still keeping their' employees coming in five days a week and no alternative employment available to them to choose from.

    Slavery has already arrived here months ago, wake youself up if you're that interested. All we had on the bluddy news is is whingin' public sector workers. Not a word about what's really going on.

    What are you raving about??

    I state the minimum wage and that's your reply? :rolleyes:


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  • #37
    Bob_Harris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    squod wrote: »
    Get real.......lots of people I know are now making €1200 a month in retail sector. Employers have cut hours, bonuses and overtime. While still keeping their' employees coming in five days a week and no alternative employment available to them to choose from.

    Slavery has already arrived here months ago, wake youself up if you're that interested. All we had on the bluddy news is is whingin' public sector workers. Not a word about what's really going on.

    Rabble rabble rabble.


  • #38
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Mark200 wrote: »
    You misunderstood my post. If you know of a job that you want that requires a certain education, then get that education. Hence the "education required for a better paying job.". I don't see why McDonalds should be forced to pay for a house and health insurance for every single one of their employees.

    I still don't agree. If McDonald's want people to "work" for them, i.e. give up their own time, and effort, to help McDonald's turn a profit, then said people to be reimbursed in a manner that allows them to live in a certain (but not particularly high) degree of comfort.

    If McDonald's have a problem with that, then fcuk off and see how much money you make with no employees.


  • #39
    The Pontiac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    It'd be more the government's business to have a look at outrageous prices for goods and services in this country. The obvious lack of of competition in the legal profession, where bizarrely all solicitor's fees are the exact same within the same regions. Where's the free market in operation? The same can be said of doctors, and to a lesser extent the dentists.

    How can you expect an honest working person on the minimum wage to pay these silly prices?

    They should take a look a social welfare fraud as well - they'd probably save in the region of €500,000 per annum at their ease.

    Cut the minimum wage anymore and it really won't be worth one's while working for it. It'd just too easy to draw the dole then.

    I agree we're not a competitive country, and wages fall under this category too. But ask any manufacturing employer what their biggest cost is, and I'm sure they'll tell you energy costs (the highest in Europe)..

    They should have a look at a few hundred others things before the minimum wage is looked at. I wouldn't hold my breath though..


  • #40
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    What are you raving about??

    I state the minimum wage and that's your reply? :rolleyes:


    The battle for minimum wage has already been lost. Get yourself a calculator and wok out what €1200 a month is per hour. €5/hour will never appear on a payslip, however some employers are using 'tatics' like reducing hours, overtime & bonuses to get to a point where the employee is paid the equivalent of €5/hour. Even though these employees are still working five days a week.

    I can guarantee some of the purchases you're making are supporting these dodgy employers. It's your choice to support these employers or not IMO.


  • #41
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Bob_Harris wrote: »
    Rabble rabble rabble.




    Rabble rabble rabble


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  • #42
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Mark200 wrote: »
    If you know of a job that you want that requires a certain education, then get that education.

    your ignorance as to how dynamic the labor market is is astounding. i am in a masters which i imagined would provide me with the type of job i wanted.now almost overnight those jobs have dissapeared and my chances of landing that job are slim to none. it requies a lot more than just the education.you must be a right half wit if you think it's that simple


  • #43
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    It boils my blood to hear people say "lower the minimum wage".

    Effectively they're saying that even though these people get up early, work hard, and pay taxes, they deserve to suffer because they didn't go to college, or didn't catch the same breaks in life that I did.

    That's fcuking disgusting tbh.


  • #44
    Bigdeadlydave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Bigdeadlydave


    The minimum wage will get reduced soon enough.


  • #45
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    squod wrote: »
    The battle for minimum wage has already been lost. Get yourself a calculator and wok out what €1200 a month is per hour. €5/hour will never appear on a payslip, however some employers are using 'tatics' like reducing hours, overtime & bonuses to get to a point where the employee is paid the equivalent of €5/hour. Even though these employees are still working five days a week.

    I can guarantee some of the purchases you're making are supporting these dodgy employers. It's your choice to support these employers or not IMO.

    And how exactly would me saying that Minimum Wage should be enough to afford people some basics like rent, food, health etc negate your point.

    I don't see why your having a pop at me and the 'calculator' jibe is just unwarranted attitude.

    I want fairness for all, please don't put me on one side over the other when it's the last thing I'm about.


  • #46
    adamshred
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭adamshred


    Mark200 wrote: »
    It's one of the highest, if not the highest, in Europe.

    And we have one of the highest, if not the highest costs of living in Europe.


  • #47
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    davyjose wrote: »
    It boils my blood to hear people say "lower the minimum wage".

    Effectively they're saying that even though these people get up early, work hard, and pay taxes, they deserve to suffer because they didn't go to college, or didn't catch the same breaks in life that I did.

    That's fcuking disgusting tbh.

    If you imagine that going to college will save you from the minimum wage then think again. Anyone can be outsourced/subcontracted for less money now. People need to wake the fuhk up.


  • #48
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Mark200 wrote: »
    You misunderstood my post. If you know of a job that you want that requires a certain education, then get that education. Hence the "education required for a better paying job.".
    Just want to come back to this:
    So if we all had PHD's there'd be no need for a minimum wage, we'd all be rich, right. We'd have nowhere to buy food or clothing, but we'd be rich. Sounds like an awesome society.
    Mark200 wrote: »
    I don't see why McDonalds should be forced to pay for a house and health insurance for every single one of their employees.

    Why not?


  • #49
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    squod wrote: »
    If you imagine that going to college will save you from the minimum wage then think again. Anyone can be outsourced/subcontracted for less money now. People need to wake the fuhk up.

    I don't imagine it - i was merely trying to simplify the point I was making. Clearly it wasn't simplified enough for you.


  • #50
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    squod wrote: »
    The battle for minimum wage has already been lost. Get yourself a calculator and wok out what €1200 a month is per hour. €5/hour will never appear on a payslip, however some employers are using 'tatics' like reducing hours, overtime & bonuses to get to a point where the employee is paid the equivalent of €5/hour. Even though these employees are still working five days a week.

    I can guarantee some of the purchases you're making are supporting these dodgy employers. It's your choice to support these employers or not IMO.
    Do you even know how minimum wage is worked out? For an adult with two years relevant work experience it's 8.60 an hour, before bonuses, bonus overtime, commission, or anything else is taken into account.
    If they're paying less than that, without a binding agreement ruled on by the Labour Court, then the employee has a case to take, for which they can't be fired for taking. And if they are fired for spurious reasons within a relatively short period of time after taking the case, odds are they'll win the unfair dismissal case as well.


  • #51
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    And how exactly would me saying that Minimum Wage should be enough to afford people some basics like rent, food, health etc negate your point.

    I don't see why your having a pop at me and the 'calculator' jibe is just unwarranted attitude.

    I want fairness for all, please don't put me on one side over the other when it's the last thing I'm about.


    Really I'm not disrespecting you. Honestly if you do have an interest then think twice and then think again about where you spend your money. The boss, the landlord and the taxman take way more priority in this state than working peoples lives do.

    Think before you spend, or have a country full of unscrupulous fat-cats.

    .


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  • #52
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Nevore wrote: »
    Do you even know how minimum wage is worked out? For an adult with two years relevant work experience it's 8.60 an hour, before bonuses, bonus overtime, commission, or anything else is taken into account.
    If they're paying less than that, without a binding agreement ruled on by the Labour Court, then the employee has a case to take, for which they can't be fired for taking. And if they are fired for spurious reasons within a relatively short period of time after taking the case, odds are they'll win the unfair dismissal case as well.


    Read the post again, tatics my friend. Tatics.


  • #53
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    smurgen wrote: »
    your ignorance as to how dynamic the labor market is is astounding. i am in a masters which i imagined would provide me with the type of job i wanted.now almost overnight those jobs have dissapeared and my chances of landing that job are slim to none. it requies a lot more than just the education.you must be a right half wit if you think it's that simple
    I don't think it's that simple, but do you not think that those with a higher education DO generally earn more? Because they do. And they deserve to. Obviously not all those with an education will always get paid more, you must be a right half wit if you did not understand my generalisation.
    davyjose wrote: »
    It boils my blood to hear people say "lower the minimum wage".

    Effectively they're saying that even though these people get up early, work hard, and pay taxes, they deserve to suffer because they didn't go to college, or didn't catch the same breaks in life that I did.

    That's fcuking disgusting tbh.

    Was there something wrong with the minimum wage 5 years ago? The cost of living has gone down, the minimum wage has not. So they're effectively getting paid more than they were 5 years ago. I'm just saying the minimum wage should both decrease AND increase just as inflation does.


  • #54
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    adamshred wrote: »
    And we have one of the highest, if not the highest costs of living in Europe.
    Mark200 wrote: »
    They're not mutually exclusive - prices of goods and services become higher as the cost of the labour to produce these goods and services becomes higher.
    .


  • #55
    Bob_Harris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    squod wrote: »
    Rabble rabble rabble

    Touché


  • #56
    deadhead13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭deadhead13


    A relatively small number of workers in the economy are on the minimum, less than 1 in 20. Any job creation as a result of lowering it would be minimal and wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to our economic rate of recovery.

    There is already an option for a business who claims to no longer be able to afford to pay it to go to the Labour Court. I can't see any justification for a reduction.


  • #57
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    davyjose wrote: »
    Just want to come back to this:
    So if we all had PHD's there'd be no need for a minimum wage, we'd all be rich, right. We'd have nowhere to buy food or clothing, but we'd be rich. Sounds like an awesome society.

    There will always be the most educated and the least educated in a society.
    davyjose wrote: »
    Why not?

    Ok using a huge multi-national corporation might have been a bad example. What if I decided I wanted to start a business? Should I have to buy someone a house and health insurance to work for me when my business is just starting off so not even making a profit yet?


  • #58
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    The balance of living in all European countries is at a rate so that you don't feel to happy in your life.So it is adjusted accordingly :D If there was no poor or middle class how could the wealthy feel wealthy :D


  • #59
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Nevore wrote: »
    Strangely enough, when you tax rich people excessively, they decide they don't really like this working lark all that much and retire onto their nest eggs.

    Ask your parents what it was like in the eighties for an idea of how badly the idea can go.

    Anyway, we need a high minimum wage to incentivise working. If anything we should slash the "jobseekers allowance" (and yes, by commas, I'm implying a lot of claimants are spurious) and put whatever money is saved into cancer vaccines.

    That's the problem. People don't want high taxes, want a high enough minimum wage and high Social Welfare payments, all while having good public services.
    d22ontour wrote: »
    What % of the workforce are actually on minimum wage though ? Am sure it must be more than 50% if a decrease is needed... :rolleyes:

    Last Revenue figures I see were about 7/8% but I think about 20% in total didn't earn that much over it. About 50% didn't pay any tax at all. People then assume that means we have a lot on minimum wage but we have a lot of part time workers and also 1 income families not paying tax. The Income levy is in now though.
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    It's €8.60 an hour I think and that's around 6th in Europe, could be wrong.

    The Tax rate is lowered now also so I think Minimum wage is not as good as it was a few years back.

    We're about 2nd highest I think, Luxembourg highest. You'd pay the Income Levy of 2% on it.
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    I am of the firm belief that everyone should have their own home.

    You might be happy to see the citizens of Ireland just renting a room but I wouldn't be.

    Problem is, that belief got us in this current mess. It seems a very Irish thing, this obsession with property.
    OutlawPete wrote: »
    I'm not saying the should raise it to €20 an hour or something but there should be enough to have the basics and I believe a Health Insurance policy in this country is needed what with the state of the public system.

    Yep, but we don't want to pay for it! We really should pay Northern Ireland rates of NIC. Would be about €20 on our minimum wage. Then again you get free doctors and subsidised prescriptions.

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  • #60
    Rented Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    davyjose wrote: »
    I still don't agree. If McDonald's want people to "work" for them, i.e. give up their own time, and effort, to help McDonald's turn a profit, then said people to be reimbursed in a manner that allows them to live in a certain (but not particularly high) degree of comfort.

    If McDonald's have a problem with that, then fcuk off and see how much money you make with no employees.

    No....McDonald's fcuks off and takes a few thousand jobs with them when they leave the country.

    Loss of Jobs
    Loss of Corportae tax
    Loss of Vat

    The employees are now making nothing, spending less and dependent on the government for their weekly dole.

    How many thousands of outsourced positions have already left Ireland due to the higher costs to do business in the country ?

    There is an incredible sense on entitlement with the younger population of Ireland at the moment that seems to have sprung up during the Tiger years. Times are tough at the moment, but they are going to get far worse in the upcoming years. Emmigration has helped absorb the overall shock, but it won't for very much longer.

    There was an article that I read five or six years ago that said 70% of Irish people would be 'un-hireable' in the next 15 years if they didn't re-train themselves.

    There is a ****storm on the horizon but people are too busy complaining about the smell on the breeze to realise they need to re-invent themselves.


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  • #61
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    K-9 wrote: »
    Problem is, that belief got us in this current mess. It seems a very Irish thing, this obsession with property.

    It wasn't that attitude that got us in the mess.

    I believe in state run housing and homes should be sold at cost.

    What got us in the mess was letting Contractors make 700% profit by building housing estates and apartment blocks with little or no infrastructure.


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