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Have the Dublin 30KPH Zone removed! E-mail this councillor

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  • #62
    ectoraige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    wexican wrote: »
    Well obvious answer to that is the fact the limit applies even in the dead of night when there is but a small percentage of the vehicles on the city streets in comparison to rush hour.

    Also, visibility is poorer and there is a greater chance of drunken pedestrians stepping out onto the road unexpectedly. More accidents involving pedestrians occur in darkness hours than in daylight.


  • #63
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wexican wrote: »
    Well obvious answer to that is the fact the limit applies even in the dead of night when there is but a small percentage of the vehicles on the city streets in comparison to rush hour.
    And a high percentage of drunks stumbling about the place. Anyway in the dead of night, I mean like 4am-6am, how many people obey the 50kph limits?


  • #64
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ectoraige wrote: »
    Also, visibility is poorer and there is a greater chance of drunken pedestrians stepping out onto the road unexpectedly. More accidents involving pedestrians occur in darkness hours than in daylight.

    oooh snap


  • #65
    ectoraige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    neutron wrote: »
    Yes but strategic voting was used very effectively by myself and colleagues to eliminate FF/Green and other councillors who failed to carry out the wishes of the majority in the last local elections

    Use your vote wisely!

    That clearly worked out well for you so, glad you like the councillors you did elect.


  • #66
    wexican
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭wexican


    ectoraige wrote: »
    Also, visibility is poorer and there is a greater chance of drunken pedestrians stepping out onto the road unexpectedly. More accidents involving pedestrians occur in darkness hours than in daylight.

    I refuse to believe that motorists should be forced to drive slower in order to protect drunken pedestrians.

    I don't know the statistics, and wouldn't claim to either, but I'd be interested in finding out how many pedestrians have been killed in the hours of darkness on the streets in question.


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  • #67
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wexican wrote: »
    I refuse to believe that motorists should be forced to drive slower in order to protect drunken pedestrians.

    I don't know the statistics, and wouldn't claim to either, but I'd be interested in finding out how many pedestrians have been killed in the hours of darkness on the streets in question.

    Are you telling me you've never been a drunken pedestrian yourself? Do drunken pedestrians deserve the death penalty? Cos there's a 50% chance that that's what they'll get if struck at 50kph.


  • #68
    wexican
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭wexican


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you telling me you've never been a drunken pedestrian yourself? Do drunken pedestrians deserve the death penalty? Cos there's a 50% chance that that's what they'll get if struck at 50kph.

    Of course I'm not claiming that. I'm saying that a 30kmph speed limit is utterly utterly ridiculous if it's in place to prevent drunks from being killed by their own stupidity.


  • #69
    ArphaRima
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭ArphaRima


    Cos there's a 50% chance that that's what they'll get if struck at 50kph.

    Sorry I didnt know we set speed limits based on the probability of fatal injury.

    What is it at 120kph?


  • #70
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    ectoraige wrote: »
    You do know there aren't any Green Party councillors on DCC, right? That it's dominated by Labour and Fine Gael, yeah? Just checking.

    Yep.

    Just making a general point.


  • #71
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fluffer wrote: »
    Sorry I didnt know we set speed limits based on the probability of fatal injury.

    What is it at 120kph?

    We didn't before, but we are now, hence the 30kph limit. Dismemberment can happen above 90kph, so I imagine that at 120kph the fatality rate must be almost 100%

    source: http://www.springerlink.com/content/167fveh06ggpuaxg/


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  • #72
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    celticbest wrote: »
    I've just sent a mail, c'mon people don't let this speed limit stick.

    I tried to do 30 in my car the other day and it's next to impossible.... does cruise control work in second???

    again it's a very backward and braindead idea. only in ireland.
    this 30kph is going to cause more accidents and i will bet 200 euro this will be the case. where did these idiots get this idea from i've seen it all now.


  • #73
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,740 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    -Chris- wrote: »
    If you can say hand-on-heart that you're ok reading another newspaper report about someone's dad being crushed by some random vehicle on the south quays so that you can get to your destination quicker, fair play to you.

    ...of course we're not ok with anyone getting hurt, but it's a falsehood to link speed with those accidents. In Dublin in particular, a huge, if not the majority, are crush injuries from left-turning trucks, buses, etc. As a pedestrian, or cyclist, you will be killed stone dead at 1km/h. And the truck/bus won't even notice.
    -Chris- wrote: »
    .....but if I honestly think back to all my Dublin City journeys and wonder how different they'd be if the speed limit was 70KMph, I doubt I'd see a difference.
    The volume of traffic is a natural throttle to the speed of the traffic, the speed limit make damn all difference imho.
    ...so, if that's true, why impose a ridiculous mandatory limit ?

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #74
    ArphaRima
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭ArphaRima


    We didn't before, but we are now, hence the 30kph limit. Dismemberment can happen above 90kph, so I imagine that at 120kph the fatality rate must be almost 100%

    Fantastic.
    I now propose we reduce all motorway limits to 18mph.
    Just in case little the local drunk/a toddler wanders onto the motorway god forbid.

    Every single life is to be cherished. We must think of the children.

    Wont someone please think of the children??


  • #75
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    zenno wrote: »
    again it's a very backward and braindead idea. only in ireland.
    this 30kph is going to cause more accidents and i will bet 200 euro this will be the case. where did these idiots get this idea from i've seen it all now.

    Can I take you up on that bet? I could use the 200 euro.


  • #76
    TomTom
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭TomTom


    I got two penalty points on the quays two weeks ago for doing 88kph in an 80kph zone, down near Guinness. It drove me mad as driving it the next day I noticed there were no signposts anywhere to inform of the legal limit, I just always did about 80kph as it seems like a sensible speed. I got the points and a fine for was was in essence trying to avoid a lunatic driver coming up the inside lane, I sped up to cross lanes as it looked like this guy was not going to stop and from the way he passed me I'd say I was correct.

    This incident has made me very aware of traffic limits and speed limits in Dublin but I had no clue about today's changes. No signs, an electronic one on the n4 to tell your there is a change and it is sign posted but then to meet a garda with a speed camera on the quays followed by a gatso van and still no sign posts its a bit stupid and unfair on drivers. The amount of people 'chancing' a run across the road this morning due to lower speeds was crazy. The majority were doing it in full view of garda on the beat who were more concerned with watching slow moving cars full of people watching speedometers instead of the road to ensure they do not get 2 points and a fine. I got stopped at EVERY set of lights from pierce street to Heuston this morning and was stuck in heavier than normal traffic for that hour of the morning. My average MPG dropped from 42mpg to 31mpg. I drive a lot and drive through Dublin nearly everyday are different hours and today was the most uncomfortable, unusual, unsafe and unproductive experince driving in the city.

    I understand that safety is paramount on our roads and anything that spares another death on the road is great but I do not believe these steps will help that. A guy ran off the ha'penny bridge this morning and across the road without looking, the little man was red and the lights were green for cars to go ahead, neither myself or the car beside me at the lights did not pull off as I am so used to looking up the arches and onto the bridge as this happens all the time. In the interest of safety of pedestrians I think they are looking at and trying to restrict the wrong group of people.


  • #77
    Mary Freehill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭Mary Freehill


    neutron wrote: »
    Thank you for the excellent post

    Any electoral gain these parties made in the last local elections will be destroyed by their imposition of the 30kph zone.
    not sure what I should do, I am just trying to reply to the issue of the speed limit

    I am a councillor who voted against the 30kph. Got agreement to-night that it will be reviewed. Is it permissable to put this type of message?


  • #78
    ectoraige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    fluffer wrote: »
    Sorry I didnt know we set speed limits based on the probability of fatal injury.

    What is it at 120kph?

    A lot higher, which is why we only allow people to drive at that speed on single-direction multiple-lane motorways.


  • #79
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can I take you up on that bet? I could use the 200 euro.

    well that was a figure of speech no real figures im afraid.

    welcome to dublin city and to be extended to all other irish city's soon.

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  • #80
    TomTom
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭TomTom


    Mary Freehill wrote: »
    not sure what I should do, I am just trying to reply to the issue of the speed limit

    I am a councillor who voted against the 30kph. Got agreement to-night that it will be reviewed. Is it permissable to put this type of message?

    Hi Mary

    Thanks for posting, is there a time frame for this review yet?


  • #81
    ectoraige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    zenno wrote: »
    again it's a very backward and braindead idea. only in ireland.
    this 30kph is going to cause more accidents and i will bet 200 euro this will be the case. where did these idiots get this idea from i've seen it all now.

    And England. And Spain. And Switzerland. And Sweden. And Germany. And France. And Belgium. And New Zealand. And Australia. Need I go on?


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  • #82
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    zenno wrote: »
    welcome to dublin city and to be extended to all other irish city's soon.

    I would welcome the introduction of a 30kph city centre limit here in Cork. This whole thing reminds me a bit of the smoking ban, everyone screamed blue murder at first but with time people accepted it as a good move.


  • #83
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    ectoraige wrote: »
    And England. And Spain. And Switzerland. And Sweden. And Germany. And France. And Belgium. And New Zealand. And Australia. Need I go on>

    it doesn't take away the fact that it IS a braindead idea. plus it's a money making scam. do you really think this dopy government has peoples best interests at hand. well they don't it's all about the money.


  • #84
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Mary Freehill wrote: »
    not sure what I should do, I am just trying to reply to the issue of the speed limit

    I am a councillor who voted against the 30kph. Got agreement to-night that it will be reviewed. Is it permissable to put this type of message?

    The only place you will get thanks for this is in the motors forum. Personally I hope the 30 limit stays.

    I wouldnt mind hearing your reason for being one of the three though. It wont get you votes.


  • #85
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,740 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I would welcome the introduction of a 30kph city centre limit here in Cork..

    ...in fairness, 30kph is fast in a canoe.......:D


    Total bollox in a car, though.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #86
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,740 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Mary Freehill wrote: »
    not sure what I should do, I am just trying to reply to the issue of the speed limit

    I am a councillor who voted against the 30kph. Got agreement to-night that it will be reviewed. Is it permissable to put this type of message?

    Absolutley: anything that shows there's a link between Real Life and Politicians is always a Good Thing.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #87
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jumpy wrote: »
    The only place you will get thanks for this is in the motors forum. Personally I hope the 30 limit stays.

    I wouldnt mind hearing your reason for being one of the three though. It wont get you votes.

    Ditto, the complainers tend to be louder than the non complainers, most people I have talked to in real life support the move. Do something about the traffic lights though, it appears they're still timed to give a green wave at 50kph rather than 30.


  • #88
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    zenno wrote: »
    again it's a very backward and braindead idea. only in ireland.
    this 30kph is going to cause more accidents and i will bet 200 euro this will be the case. where did these idiots get this idea from i've seen it all now.

    Ah yes, because we all know that going slower increases the chances of accidents immensely.


  • #89
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,740 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    zenno wrote: »
    again it's a very backward and braindead idea..... i will bet 200 euro this will be the case. where did these idiots get this idea from i've seen it all now...

    ...I'm going with Netherlands on the source of the 30kph thing, oh, and, you can PM me the yo-yo's..... :)

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #90
    fuelinjection
    Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭fuelinjection


    This is going to be law. Accept it, emails and complaining will do nothing.
    There has actually been a 30kph speed limit on O'Connell Street now for years but nobody knows it or drives at that speed there.

    I am not saying its a good idea but its law, and one councillor will not change that.


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  • #91
    evolutionqy7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭evolutionqy7


    emailed him...think this is stupid...might aswell bann the cars...if 30 sticks cyclists will be overtaking all the cars


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