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Have the Dublin 30KPH Zone removed! E-mail this councillor

  • 01-02-2010 11:04AM
    #1
    neutron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭


    Folks,

    This gent Andrew Montague, a Labour councillor on the Dublin City council traffic commitee has been the main propagandist for the ridicoulous and dangerous 30KPH speed limit in Dublin city. Other fools want this speed limit rolled out to all cities across Ireland. Its coming to you unless action is taken now!

    I would suggest to e-mail Andrew at the address below to advise him of your wish to have the ridicoulous and dangerous 30KPH limit removed.

    andrewmontague@eircom.net

    I would also suggest that you advise him of the lack of the law being applied to the all day breaking of red traffic lights throughout Dublin city by law breaking cyclists and request measures be put in place before more pedestrians are injured or killed by cyclists.

    Moderators can we make this a sticky?


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  • #2
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    I suggest something more effective. A go slow "flag man" protest across the city. :)


  • #3
    celticbest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭celticbest


    I've just sent a mail, c'mon people don't let this speed limit stick.

    I tried to do 30 in my car the other day and it's next to impossible.... does cruise control work in second???


  • #4
    Shane732
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,965 ✭✭✭Shane732


    I agree with the OP certainly I think everyone should email this Councilor. After all he supposedly does represent the people

    This is a complete joke. I was on Stephen’s green yesterday morning at about 9 – hardly any traffic around. I decided I’d try the new 30km/h and got caught at every set of traffic lights including the bloody pedestrian lights! I reckon someone could have walked through the green and out the other side in the time it took me to get around it.

    I’ve heard Andrew arguing that there isn’t enough room to build dedicated cycle lanes around the city centre so it’s necessary to slow traffic down. Westmoreland Street is within the new zone. Exactly what size cycle lanes does this guy want to build?

    Personally I really think we should go down the lines of having a go-slow…. We should just block the streets, then Andrew will have his wish – no traffic moving at all.

    Are bus drivers going to receive penalty points for speeding in the new zones? If bus drivers have to keep to the speed limits then all the journey times should be revised to reflect the extra time it’s going to take buses. Hmm… slowing down public transport – the Irish way forward.

    It’s bad enough that we can’t use college green anymore - now we’re limited to 30kmph, it’s a joke. What’s the point in paying road tax when the speed limits are completely unrealistic?


  • #5
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,926 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    neutron wrote: »
    Folks,

    This gent Andrew Montague, a Labour councillor on the Dublin City council traffic commitee has been the main propagandist for the ridicoulous and dangerous 30KPH speed limit in Dublin city. Other fools want this speed limit rolled out to all cities across Ireland. Its coming to you unless action is taken now!

    I would suggest to e-mail Andrew at the address below to advise him of your wish to have the ridicoulous and dangerous 30KPH limit removed.

    andrewmontague@eircom.net

    I would also suggest that you advise him of the lack of the law being applied to the all day breaking of red traffic lights throughout Dublin city by law breaking cyclists and request measures be put in place before more pedestrians are injured or killed by cyclists.

    Moderators can we make this a sticky?
    Is that you Mr. Faughnan?

    Oh, and which particular streets do you want it removed from? Grafton Street? Temple Bar? Moore Street?


  • #6
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,676 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Facebook Group Anyone ??

    We need to broadcast this message, they cant get away with this ridiculous dictatorship. This blanket ban is farcical!! :mad:


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  • #7
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,676 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Victor wrote: »
    Is that you Mr. Faughnan?

    Oh, and which particular streets do you want it removed from? Grafton Street? Temple Bar? Moore Street?

    Get real!

    A blanket ban makes no sense surely you can't argue for that!


  • #8
    Redsoxfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭Redsoxfan


    You could also try contacting him here on Boards!


  • #9
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    neutron wrote: »

    I would suggest to e-mail Andrew at the address below to advise him of your wish to have the ridicoulous and dangerous 30KPH limit removed.

    Can you elaborate further about how it's dangerous?
    neutron wrote: »
    before more pedestrians are injured or killed by cyclists.

    Exactly how many pedestrians have been killed by cyclists in Dublin city?

    neutron wrote: »
    Moderators can we make this a sticky?

    I personally won't be stickying this, if there' enough support and interest in your proposal it'll stay on the front page under its own steam.


  • #10
    Driver driver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭Driver driver


    Well I would email his website. He's a Labour party councillor and a website designer. I'm sure google could also bring up his website address and phone numbers if people really wanted to congratulate him further. Personally speaking if his own website is an example of his skills then I would steer well clear.

    I heard on Newstalk that only three councillors voted against the proposal, one of them being Vincent Jackson. I wonder who else voted against it? Is there a publically available ist of who voted for this motion?

    The minutes of the meeting show that the councillors attending were:
    Paddy Bourke
    Tom Brabazon
    Gerry Breen
    Christy Burke
    Eric Byrne
    Julia Carmichael
    Aine Clancy
    Joan Collins
    Michael Conaghan
    Pat Crimmins
    Dessie Ellis
    Mary Fitzpatrick
    Declan Flanagan
    Mannix Flynn
    Killian Forde
    Mary Freehill
    John Gallagher
    Apologies:
    Oifigigh
    John Tierney
    Philip Maguire
    Kathy Quinn
    Michael Phillips
    Michael Stubbs
    Deirdre Heney
    Kevin Humphreys
    Vincent Jackson
    Sean Kenny
    Dermot Lacey
    John Lyons
    Ray MacAdam
    Paul McAuliffe
    Ruairí McGinley
    Séamas McGrattan
    Marie Metcalfe
    Louise Minihan
    Andrew Montague
    Rebecca Moynihan
    Eoghan Murphy
    Críona Ní Dhálaigh
    Catherine Noone
    Clare Byrne
    John O‟Shee
    Vincent Norton
    Seamus Lyons
    Victor Leonov
    Hugh Fitzpatrick
    Jim O‟Callaghan
    Damian O‟Farrell
    Naoise Ó Muirí
    Claire O‟Regan
    Aodhán Ó‟Riordáin
    Mary O‟Shea
    Larry O‟Toole
    Maria Parodi
    Ciaran Perry
    Oisín Quinn
    John Redmond
    Nial Ring
    Brid Smith
    Bill Tormey
    Henry Upton
    Edie Wynne
    Eamonn Farrelly
    Ciaran McNamara
    Conor O‟Leary
    Oonagh Casey
    Oliver Douglas
    Carmel Walsh

    People may be interested to contact their local councillor to see if they voted in favour of this amendment:

    14. Submitted Report No. 432/2009 of the Chairperson of the Transportation and Traffic Strategic Policy Committee (Councillor Andrew Montague) – With reference to proposal to make Bye-Laws entitled Dublin City Council Special Speed Limit Bye-Laws 2009. It was proposed by Councillor A. Montague and seconded by Councillor C. Burke “That Dublin City Council notes the contents of Report No. 432/2008 and hereby to make Bye-Laws entitled Dublin City Council Special Speed Limit Bye-Laws 2009”. The motion was put and carried. It was further agreed by the City Council to postpone introduction of these Bye Laws until 31st January 2010 and review after 6 months.

    I'm sure people could google and find contact details for all of the above to see where they stand.

    There is all this talk of a "mayor with power" being directly elected by Dubliners later on this year. Perhaps a pressure group could ask all candidates to state publicly whether they support this blanket speed limit?

    I'd like to see something like this put directly to the people in a plebiscite, and then we can see exactly where things stand. But this is Ireland, we don't do direct democracy.

    Remember to get an idea of the mindset of these junket monkeys, just look at the motto of Dublin city council just to get an idea of where these "councillors" are coming from. Obedientia Civum Urbis Felicitas in other words shut up citizens and do what you're told.


  • #11
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    neutron wrote: »

    andrewmontague@eircom.net

    I would also suggest that you advise him of the lack of the law being applied to the all day breaking of red traffic lights throughout Dublin city by law breaking cyclists and request measures be put in place before more pedestrians are injured or killed by cyclists.

    Moderators can we make this a sticky?

    Couldn't agree more, pedestrians jaywalking (especially diagonally without regard to traffic) & cyclists hammering through lights & generally not obeying the rules of the road - that's where the Gardai's attention should be focused to reduce accidents. This move will also affect business in the city and probably the income of taxi drivers too (if they can only make x trips per hour @ 18mph instead of x+z trips per hour).


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  • #12
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,476 ✭✭✭markpb


    neutron wrote: »
    I would also suggest that you advise him of the lack of the law being applied to the all day breaking of red traffic lights throughout Dublin city by law breaking cyclists and request measures be put in place before more pedestrians are injured or killed by cyclists.

    How do you propose the traffic authority enforce the law when it comes to cyclists and pedestrians? Keep in mind that the Gardai do not take instruction or priorities from local/traffic authorities.
    Shane732 wrote: »
    I’ve heard Andrew arguing that there isn’t enough room to build dedicated cycle lanes around the city centre so it’s necessary to slow traffic down. Westmoreland Street is within the new zone. Exactly what size cycle lanes does this guy want to build?

    The two are completely different points. The amount of bus activity on Westmoreland makes it difficult dangerous for cyclists and very difficult to construct cycle facilities. What solution would you propose? On the other hand, the width of roads at pinch points like the Dart bridge supports on Amiens St also make it difficult to construct cycle facilities.

    We both know that if DCC proposed removing a lane from traffic from city centre streets to provide safe, properly constructed cycle facilities, motorists would scream blue murder at their road being removed, their rights being infringed, etc.
    Morlar wrote: »
    Couldn't agree more, pedestrians jaywalking (especially diagonally without regard to traffic) & cyclists hammering through lights & generally not obeying the rules of the road - that's where the Gardai's attention should be focused to reduce accidents.

    There has been no statement from the Gardai that they will intensify their efforts or dedicate any extra resources towards policing the addition 30kph zones. Yes, you're right that the law needs to be enforced for all road users but that has nothing at all to do with the new speed limits.
    Driver driver wrote: »
    Personally speaking if his own website is an example of his skills then I would steer well clear.

    Wow, personal abuse, classy argument!


  • #13
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,212 ✭✭✭Patser


    -Chris- wrote: »
    Exactly how many pedestrians have been killed by cyclists in Dublin city?

    No numbers available for injured, but it's not unheard of for cyclists to kill pedestrians. Didn't happen in Dublin, but are you willing to take the risk. Think of the children, Man, think of the children!;)

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23420042-city-chief-dies-after-being-hit-by-cyclist.do


  • #14
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    markpb wrote: »
    Yes, you're right that the law needs to be enforced for all road users but that has nothing at all to do with the new speed limits.

    To clarify (as you appear to have misinterpreted) what I posted meant that to reduce accidents the Gardai's efforts should be focused on pedestrians jaywalking and also on cyclists not obeying the rules of the road etc.

    ie the problem to be solved not by dcc introducing draconian speed limits penalising drivers for poor pedestrian and cyclist behaviours.


  • #15
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,476 ✭✭✭markpb


    Morlar wrote: »
    To clarify (as you appear to have misinterpreted) what I posted meant that to reduce accidents the Gardai should focus on pedestrians jaywalking and also on cyclists not obeying the rules of the road etc.

    Absolutely and I'm not disagreeing. What I am saying is that it has nothing to do with the new speed limit areas which is what this thread is about.

    Lets be clear:

    - Local authorities set the speed limits and road restrictions (one way, bus lane, etc)
    - AGS enforce the law.

    There is no link between the two. If AGS can't be bothered to enforce the law for cyclists, pedestrians or motorists, there's nothing DCC can do about it. DCC changing the speed limit in some areas has impact on AGS.


  • #16
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,212 ✭✭✭Patser


    markpb wrote: »
    Local authorities set the speed limits and road restrictions (one way, bus lane, etc)
    - AGS enforce the law.

    There is no link between the two. If AGS can't be bothered to enforce the law for cyclists, pedestrians or motorists, there's nothing DCC can do about it. DCC changing the speed limit in some areas has impact on AGS.

    But if the AGS decide to come down heavy and have 2 speed checkpoints set up on the 1st morning of a publicised reduction in speed limits, that's coincidence.


  • #17
    neutron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭neutron


    Victor wrote: »
    Is that you Mr. Faughnan?

    Oh, and which particular streets do you want it removed from? Grafton Street? Temple Bar? Moore Street?

    Thank you for your genuine questions

    Yes I do want law breaking, pedal and cranking cyclists removed from Grafton St and Temple Bar pedestrian areas.

    Er, no, I am not Mr Faughan nor am I a politically appointed civil servant in the inept "Traffic Department" in DCC either!


  • #18
    neutron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭neutron


    Driver driver wrote: »
    Well I would email his website. He's a Labour party councillor and a website designer. I'm sure google could also bring up his website address and phone numbers if people really wanted to congratulate him further. Personally speaking if his own website is an example of his skills then I would steer well clear.

    I heard on Newstalk that only three councillors voted against the proposal, one of them being Vincent Jackson. I wonder who else voted against it? Is there a publically available ist of who voted for this motion?

    The minutes of the meeting show that the councillors attending were:
    Paddy Bourke
    Tom Brabazon
    Gerry Breen
    Christy Burke
    Eric Byrne
    Julia Carmichael
    Aine Clancy
    Joan Collins
    Michael Conaghan
    Pat Crimmins
    Dessie Ellis
    Mary Fitzpatrick
    Declan Flanagan
    Mannix Flynn
    Killian Forde
    Mary Freehill
    John Gallagher
    Apologies:
    Oifigigh
    John Tierney
    Philip Maguire
    Kathy Quinn
    Michael Phillips
    Michael Stubbs
    Deirdre Heney
    Kevin Humphreys
    Vincent Jackson
    Sean Kenny
    Dermot Lacey
    John Lyons
    Ray MacAdam
    Paul McAuliffe
    Ruairí McGinley
    Séamas McGrattan
    Marie Metcalfe
    Louise Minihan
    Andrew Montague
    Rebecca Moynihan
    Eoghan Murphy
    Críona Ní Dhálaigh
    Catherine Noone
    Clare Byrne
    John O‟Shee
    Vincent Norton
    Seamus Lyons
    Victor Leonov
    Hugh Fitzpatrick
    Jim O‟Callaghan
    Damian O‟Farrell
    Naoise Ó Muirí
    Claire O‟Regan
    Aodhán Ó‟Riordáin
    Mary O‟Shea
    Larry O‟Toole
    Maria Parodi
    Ciaran Perry
    Oisín Quinn
    John Redmond
    Nial Ring
    Brid Smith
    Bill Tormey
    Henry Upton
    Edie Wynne
    Eamonn Farrelly
    Ciaran McNamara
    Conor O‟Leary
    Oonagh Casey
    Oliver Douglas
    Carmel Walsh

    People may be interested to contact their local councillor to see if they voted in favour of this amendment:

    14. Submitted Report No. 432/2009 of the Chairperson of the Transportation and Traffic Strategic Policy Committee (Councillor Andrew Montague) – With reference to proposal to make Bye-Laws entitled Dublin City Council Special Speed Limit Bye-Laws 2009. It was proposed by Councillor A. Montague and seconded by Councillor C. Burke “That Dublin City Council notes the contents of Report No. 432/2008 and hereby to make Bye-Laws entitled Dublin City Council Special Speed Limit Bye-Laws 2009”. The motion was put and carried. It was further agreed by the City Council to postpone introduction of these Bye Laws until 31st January 2010 and review after 6 months.

    I'm sure people could google and find contact details for all of the above to see where they stand.

    There is all this talk of a "mayor with power" being directly elected by Dubliners later on this year. Perhaps a pressure group could ask all candidates to state publicly whether they support this blanket speed limit?

    I'd like to see something like this put directly to the people in a plebiscite, and then we can see exactly where things stand. But this is Ireland, we don't do direct democracy.

    Remember to get an idea of the mindset of these junket monkeys, just look at the motto of Dublin city council just to get an idea of where these "councillors" are coming from. Obedientia Civum Urbis Felicitas in other words shut up citizens and do what you're told.

    Thank you for the excellent post

    Any electoral gain these parties made in the last local elections will be destroyed by their imposition of the 30kph zone.


  • #19
    Bluetonic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    neutron wrote: »
    Any electoral gain these parties made in the last local elections will be destroyed by their imposition of the 30kph zone.
    The majority of people couldn't care less about the 30kph zone one way or the other so it will have little effect at the local elections.


  • #20
    celticbest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭celticbest


    I think that DCC should be more worried about Pot Holes on there roads than this silly speed limit.

    If there roads were maintained to a higher standard drivers would not have to spend half there time dodging them and could instead concentrate purely on driving, which in turn should lead to less accidents occurring.


  • #21
    LostinBlanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    Well Bluetonic, if it does have the effect of losing business in the city centre then they will begin to care once they or their families, friends get thrown on the dole.

    I would like to see a group get together to pressure these councillors for a reversal of this.


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  • #22
    LostinBlanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    celticbest wrote: »
    I think that DCC should be more worried about Pot Holes on there roads than this silly speed limit.

    If there roads were maintained to a higher standard drivers would not have to spend half there time dodging them and could instead concentrate purely on driving, which in turn should lead to less accidents occurring.

    Look Celtic, you're missing the point. This is a populist measure aimed at gaining popularity with the anti motoring fundamentalists and allowing most of the junket monkeys in DCC to look like they are doing something. Maintaining the roads is real work and something to be avoided at all costs.


  • #23
    celticbest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭celticbest


    LostinBlanch wrote: »
    Well Bluetonic, if it does have the effect of losing business in the city centre then they will begin to care once they or their families, friends get thrown on the dole.

    I would like to see a group get together to pressure these councillors for a reversal of this.
    LostinBlanch wrote: »
    Look Celtic, you're missing the point. This is a populist measure aimed at gaining popularity with the anti motoring fundamentalists and allowing most of the junket monkeys in DCC to look like they are doing something. Maintaining the roads is real work and something to be avoided at all costs.

    I agree with you on both above points, maybe I just didn't put my points across as clearly as I thought I did.......sorry about that.


  • #24
    LostinBlanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    markpb wrote: »
    [Driver driver] Personally speaking if his own website is an example of his skills then I would steer well clear. [/Driver driver]
    Wow, personal abuse, classy argument!

    After taking a look at his site I'd tend to agree with Driver driver. It doesn't impress me and on that basis I would also steer clear. So for me that would be more fair comment than personal abuse. Still if you are attempting to negate the argument by claiming Driver driver is involved in personal abuse then go ahead.

    Getting back to the speed limit, why not go the whole hog and have those dastardly car drivers employ a man / or woman to walk in front with a red flag? Look at the employment possibilities :rolleyes:


  • #25
    Fergus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Fergus


    Motorists should voluntarily take the spirit of the new law to heart and drive at 20 kph around the city.. or why not 10 kph. After all, the logic of the 30 kph limit would seem to imply even slower would be even better.


  • #26
    P.C.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭P.C.


    I was listen to this being discussed on the radio as I drove home.

    There was a man from some cyling group, saying that cars have to slow down, cars this, cars that, etc...

    When he was asked what is going to be done to get cyclists to obey the rules of the road, and not break red lights, etc. He answered:
    'The days of the honour system are over, it is up to AGS to enforce th law'

    What I heard was:

    There is one rule for motorists, and...

    no rules for pedestrians or cyclists.


    Now, I am not having a go at cyclists, but this fella had some strange arguments. :confused:


  • #27
    LostinBlanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    Welcome to Ireland PC. There are a number of factors at play here IMO.
    1. Anti - car ideologues who want to ban cars everywhere (or so it seems)
    2. Populist local politicians who will jump on a band wagon to be seen to do something
    3. A revenue / target driven AGS who have no compunction about shooting fish in a barrel

    They should have picked on the real target - them pesky motorcyclists ;)


  • #28
    P.C.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭P.C.


    LostinBlanch wrote: »

    They should have picked on the real target - them pesky motorcyclists ;)

    Back up there barbie - you were doing sooooo well and then that^^^

    :D:D

    I am waiting for them to come up with something like banning bikes from town. They have already removed the bike parking from Prince's Street. :mad:


  • #29
    neutron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭neutron


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    The majority of people couldn't care less about the 30kph zone one way or the other so it will have little effect at the local elections.

    Yes but strategic voting was used very effectively by myself and colleagues to eliminate FF/Green and other councillors who failed to carry out the wishes of the majority in the last local elections

    Use your vote wisely!


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    celticbest wrote: »
    I've just sent a mail, c'mon people don't let this speed limit stick.

    I tried to do 30 in my car the other day and it's next to impossible.... does cruise control work in second???

    my cruise control wont work below 30 MILES per hour


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  • #31
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Councillors only understand one thing.

    if they don't get voted in next time they lose out on €€€€€€€€€€

    I would like to think that a well orchastrated campaign could black list this guy so bad that he would be at risk of losing his seat during the next elections.

    From what I can tell, this kind of governence is the kind where the elected rulers are doing what they think is best. What of course they should be doing is representing the people who voted them in.

    The Green Party in particular think they know whats best for the rest us, something similar to what the Soviet Politburo did. Just like the Soviet Politburo, I feel the Green's could be in for a big fall.


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