how many reservists/pdf play airsoft?

tonyj_mc · 24-01-2010 11:04pm

just to steer back on topic two on our team and i know of at least three other who play regularly

dazo · 24-01-2010 11:42pm

2 active reservists
1 ex reservist
1 ex swiss soldier

Leftyflip · 24-01-2010 11:46pm

Inari wrote: »

@MacAonghusa: If I've missed the point, which by your post I celarly have, would you mind explaining it to me? From what I read of yours and lefty's replies was that if everyone bought GBB's, counted how much ammo they were using that the game would be more skillfull and interesting. My point was that you can already do that, without the need of buying equipment. And that the thing that limits the skillful interesting play is peoples own individual mindsets, and to combat that you just need to organise your own event/gathering/skirmish.

Apologies for off topic post

Please tell me where I said that you should buy a GBBr and count your ammo.

dazo · 24-01-2010 11:47pm

thermo wrote: »

There is IMO no need the know how many DF members are players,
the reality is there are a few. most real world tactics don't apply as airsoft is a different kettle of fish to real war.

and surely in milsim army tactics such as movement and handsignals from the military can be used for this why even in large skirmish sites movement of an arrow head formation is ideal.

thermo · 25-01-2010 3:14am

dazo wrote: »

and surely in milsim army tactics such as movement and handsignals from the military can be used for this why even in large skirmish sites movement of an arrow head formation is ideal.

I didn't say field craft and comms didn't translate over.
In 90% of games iv played there is no provision for the likes of;
HMG's
GPMG's
artillery/ mortors
armour
anti-armour weapons
airstrikes
tactics are based (among other factors) on the weapons you have at your disposal. You can't use tactics that rely on equipment you don't have, and some tactics are not usable due to the short engagement distances, and trying to be "fair"........
Imagine trying to do a NATO "T" in airsoft!

Inari · 25-01-2010 3:21am

@Lefty: You said "Then buy a GBB, count your rounds and shut up about it" to Mac, and he said if everyone did then it might be a more interesting and skillfull game. I then posted that it wouldn't because it's the players, not the equipment, was told I missed the point (which clearly I have/had), so then asked the point to be explained...purely because I rather learning than being blissfully ignorant:) Apologies if you feel I put words in your mouth with my paraphrasing

PS: Once again, sorry for off topic-ness.

dazo · 25-01-2010 10:59am

thermo wrote: »

I didn't say field craft and comms didn't translate over.
In 90% of games iv played there is no provision for the likes of;
HMG's
GPMG's
artillery/ mortors
armour
anti-armour weapons
airstrikes
tactics are based (among other factors) on the weapons you have at your disposal. You can't use tactics that rely on equipment you don't have, and some tactics are not usable due to the short engagement distances, and trying to be "fair"........
Imagine trying to do a NATO "T" in airsoft!

ha ha the last time i seen the nato t been done was on recruits doing two star training the enemy where officers but open fire far to soon it turned into the grand national watching recruits charge the officers jumping ditches in the pitch black ha ha aw the n ato t world war 1 tactics only in ireland
but still like the gpmg is a support weapon and organised teams some times carry support weapons so in that case using the term fsg or the hand signals will come into play i know theres no hmg or airstricks in airsoft but you dont have to take in all army warfare into the matchs but i cant hurt to know some of the stuff. and im sure the foxtrot lads have used there own british tactics from time to time on a skirmish or milsim.

extremetaz · 25-01-2010 11:55am

dazo wrote: »

ha ha the last time i seen the nato t been done was on recruits doing two star training the enemy where officers but open fire far to soon it turned into the grand national watching recruits charge the officers jumping ditches in the pitch black ha ha aw the n ato t world war 1 tactics only in ireland
but still like the gpmg is a support weapon and organised teams some times carry support weapons so in that case using the term fsg or the hand signals will come into play i know theres no hmg or airstricks in airsoft but you dont have to take in all army warfare into the matchs but i cant hurt to know some of the stuff. and im sure the foxtrot lads have used there own british tactics from time to time on a skirmish or milsim.

Dude PLEASE - PUNCTUATION!!!

that is damned near impossible to read.

@Inari - that was hivemind dude, not lefty.

@Mac - RoE uses realcap.

dazo · 25-01-2010 12:02pm

Sorry in college teacher watching my screen like a hawk just rushed it.

Poccington · 25-01-2010 6:54pm

dazo wrote: »

ha ha the last time i seen the nato t been done was on recruits doing two star training the enemy where officers but open fire far to soon it turned into the grand national watching recruits charge the officers jumping ditches in the pitch black ha ha aw the n ato t world war 1 tactics only in ireland
but still like the gpmg is a support weapon and organised teams some times carry support weapons so in that case using the term fsg or the hand signals will come into play i know theres no hmg or airstricks in airsoft but you dont have to take in all army warfare into the matchs but i cant hurt to know some of the stuff. and im sure the foxtrot lads have used there own british tactics from time to time on a skirmish or milsim.

Why were Recruits doing a NATO T?

Also if troops in World War 1 were doing deliberate night attacks after being led into position by Recce Platoon's, I'll eat my hat.

As for the Irish DPM carry on, it's illegal to wear it. Simple enough really.

dazo · 26-01-2010 3:28pm

Poccington wrote: »

Why were Recruits doing a NATO T?

Also if troops in World War 1 were doing deliberate night attacks after being led into position by Recce Platoon's, I'll eat my hat.

As for the Irish DPM carry on, it's illegal to wear it. Simple enough really.

The officers taught it would be great laugh for them to do it I was raging was on ed from a training acciedent.

I mean its a world war 1 tactic because of the fact its like 2 sections from the platoon who march face first towards the enemy.

mcko · 28-01-2010 2:35am

Anyone ever see the Army Reserve guys in Cork who dress up as the Waffen SS pretty scary really. Maybe the PAs shouldl look into them.

Leftyflip · 28-01-2010 2:37am

mcko wrote: »

Anyone ever see the Army Reserve guys in Cork who dress up as the Waffen SS pretty scary really. Maybe the PAs shouldl look into them.

How is it scary?

thermo · 28-01-2010 2:50am

mcko wrote: »

Anyone ever see the Army Reserve guys in Cork who dress up as the Waffen SS pretty scary really. Maybe the PAs shouldl look into them.

How is it scary???? An interest in history is evil??

@ dazo you appear to know little of ww1 tactics.

dazo · 29-01-2010 10:43am

so then ww1 tactics wasnt mainly made up of get out of trench and run towards the enemy. till later in the war when tactics was evolved.

Firekitten · 29-01-2010 11:33am

dazo wrote: »

so then ww1 tactics wasnt mainly made up of get out of trench and run towards the enemy. till later in the war when tactics was evolved.

Yes, running was considered dangerous... the pre shelled ground was bumpy, and with the claims culture present in the early 20th century, the war office decided to modify tatics to climb out of the trench and 'walk' towards the enemy. They belived this would reduce the incidences of soldiers having trips and falls at work, and incidences of claims through no win no fee legal agencies. This was a backdoor tactic by the Germans to win as many injury claim cases for Briish soldiers as possible to drain the English govornment dry from the inside.

waclander · 29-01-2010 12:54pm

thermo wrote: »

How is it scary???? An interest in history is evil??

@ dazo you appear to know little of ww1 tactics.

Have to agree that it's a little scary , love learning about WW2 and conflict history in general and every side has interesting stories and personalities but they picked the armed branch(i know their not exclusively Waffen SS) of the Nazi party and a group synonymous with the murder of millions of innocent people in death camps which freaks people out understandably.Lay people just don't 'get it' as everyone in airsoft knows:) and i'm not picking a fight about WW2 and which side done what too whom just saying how some people find it scary.

Firekitten · 29-01-2010 1:00pm

I have no problrm with the Waffen SS in airsoft or reenactment... they were professional soldiers, not politicans. I'm Jewish, and personally feel I want to know as much about history, and that history, as possible. I even read Mein Kampf.... If we dont understand history, or try to, we are doomed to repeat it, and suffer the consiquences. Ignorance, willing or otherwise, is as bad as biggotry in the first place.

I have full respect for ww2 reenactors, infact, I play ww2 airsoft. Its facinating to feel part of history, and I myself have german kit as well as SOE.

waclander · 29-01-2010 1:48pm

Completely agree Firekitten but you know the masses are too busy wondering which d-lister is getting kicked from the celeb big brother house than to actually pick up a book or truly learn about history which is why i think we are destined to repeat our mistakes as we alway's have, people as individual's are fine but on mass their completely different.I personally have no problem with the group in question and would love to see more groups in Ireland of their sort,in fact before airsoft came along i was going to go down that road to get some replica weapons cause it just seemed impossible to get them in this country (although i got a drill version of a M1 garand which i still have) just saying how some people see a deaths head badge and freak even though it originates from before the world ever heard of Nazi's and some people do use the whole 'i'm taking an interest in history' thing too far.

Firekitten · 29-01-2010 1:52pm

On a reenactor... I dont find it an issue... but theres a man that wears a cap with it on randomly in town, he rides the same bus as me... on him i find it offensive... because he likely doesnt know what the heck it means... The reenactors do, and represent history.

waclander · 29-01-2010 2:00pm

Just as a matter of interest where do the WW2 airsoft games take place and where's a good place to get the uniform's and kit,might build a WW2 loadout when i get more experience and more money:)

thermo · 30-01-2010 9:27pm

waclander wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest where do the WW2 airsoft games take place and where's a good place to get the uniform's and kit,might build a WW2 loadout when i get more experience and more money:)

depends on the uniforms your looking for! we (our group) get our uniforms tailor made in india for the ww1 & 1812 period stuff. excellent quality.

just a thought for people reading, maybe people who do the ww2 german stuff only portray certain units purly because the uniforms and kit look cool, and not because they are nazi's, IMO the german gear looks far better than any of the allied stuff.

Firekitten · 31-01-2010 12:03am

thermo wrote: »

depends on the uniforms your looking for! we (our group) get our uniforms tailor made in india for the ww1 & 1812 period stuff. excellent quality.

just a thought for people reading, maybe people who do the ww2 german stuff only portray certain units purly because the uniforms and kit look cool, and not because they are nazi's, IMO the german gear looks far better than any of the allied stuff.

No... its mostly because the german armed forces themselves were NOT nazis... there was a lot of feeling amunst the german forces of being first and foremost, germans, and being professional soliders... not politicians. The vast majority of units had no political alegiances, the Waffen SS even, were still just a highly professional force, although more tenuous.

I'd say theres an element of apearance, but its also the fact people can recognise that not everyone was evil.... and to remember the deaths of good men and women on both sides...

Waclander: Lots of games in the uk... plenty of weekenders this year actually with some amazing locations.

thermo · 31-01-2010 1:08am

WTF firekitten?

Firekitten · 31-01-2010 1:20am

thermo wrote: »

WTF firekiddin?

I'll say it slower...

The vast, majority, of German, soldiers, were not, nazis. One famous example was the komandant of the german Navy.... Famous for never using the nazi salute, only the prewar german naval salute. Many joined the German miliary because at the time, it was the fastest growing source of jobs after the recession, and While yes, a number were nazis, or indoctrinated, a huge portion of the german population truely belived Hitler and the National Socialist Party would save Germany... Hitler's retention of emergency power and the outbreak of war was the start of a lot of troubles and disolusionment for the German people. Including the Military. A lot of German soliders fought because it was thier job, and because it was in defence of Germany and her Assets. A lot of propoganda kept people away from the truth. Sure there were Nazi units of the SS... well, most of it, but The Waffen SS themselves prided themselves on being professional soldiers... not politicans.

Firekiddin... love that

Can I call you Slomo?

ED E · 31-01-2010 1:48am

Psychology 101 gives another reason, authority[Milgram, no matter how you criticize the tests they still hold some weight]. You dont disobey your boss, who doesnt disobey his, and so forth all they way to German High Command. You trust that he knows what he's doing and as long you are doing what you have been instructed to do you're doing nothing wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Anyways, we is going a little OT here methinks.

Firekitten · 31-01-2010 1:52am

The topic was ON at some point?

thermo · 31-01-2010 2:38am

Eh,,,,,, no missus let's not resort to name calling we are not 8 anymore:rolleyes:
Just to clarify, there was referance made to RDF members who portray waffen ss, I beleive I know the persons in question and the reason they go with the German stuff is down to the kit and equipment, what other people are posting about other stuff is beyond me as to it's relivence.

So back on topic Now kids...... I don't think the op will ever get an exact answer to his question.

Firekitten · 31-01-2010 3:00am

thermo wrote: »

Eh,,,,,, no missus let's not resort to name calling we are not 8 anymore:rolleyes:
Just to clarify, there was referance made to RDF members who portray waffen ss, I beleive I know the persons in question and the reason they go with the German stuff is down to the kit and equipment, what other people are posting about other stuff is beyond me as to it's relivence.

So back on topic Now kids...... I don't think the op will ever get an exact answer to his question.

Slomo was a play on your typo of my name

just a joke.

Gatling · 31-01-2010 3:10am

train wreck ,chooooo choooooo

how many reservists/pdf play airsoft?

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