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Fear of Islam: Justified or a phobia?

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  • #32
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Xluna wrote: »
    I would have thought the morality of the religion would have had a lot to do with whether it deserved to be fear or not.

    You haven't made any point to that effect. It's all about interpretation of religion.
    Xluna wrote: »
    We are. Look at how terrified women ect must be in their societies.

    I know a couple of Muslim women, they seem to getting along just fine. You're making sweeping generalisations.


  • #33
    Red_Marauder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Red_Marauder


    Xluna wrote: »
    We are. Look at how terrified women ect must be in their societies.
    Must be? By whose account?


  • #34
    Xluna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Xluna


    robinph wrote: »
    That is probably because people are reading the question more like "Are you scared of people with beards?".

    A bit dismissive,no?


  • #35
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    robinph wrote: »
    That is probably because people are reading the question more like "Are you scared of people with beards?".

    Yes, if she really has a big bad one! Ooo :eek:


  • #36
    Xluna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Xluna


    Red_Marauder wrote: »
    Must be? By whose account?

    Would you like to be a woman or a homosexual in a Muslim society? Would you be scared to voice your dissent?


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  • #37
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,042 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    If I lived in the US or the UK I'd be more scared of my own govenrnment.

    Great answer. Whats needed is the U.S lobby to show some balls and not always turn to the side of the Israelis every time they say jump and British just follow suit too.

    This is causing major friction between the States and Arabs and Muslims alike.

    EVENFLOW



  • #38
    Hank_Jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    Red_Marauder wrote: »
    Must be? By whose account?

    Are you kidding? I certainly have problems with how they treat women.

    Any religion that looks down on women who show any sort of skin is just awful,
    especially considering that the majority of islamic countries are in some of the hottest places in the world.
    Xluna wrote: »
    Would you like to be a woman or a homosexual in a Muslim society? Would you be scared to voice your dissent?

    Yeah, to be gay in a muslim society is just terrible, to the point that gay people have to flee these countries for fear of their lives.


  • #39
    robinph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Which of these questions is really being asked in the poll:

    Is being scared of religious people justified? No.

    or

    Is being scared of crazy people justified? Yes.


  • #40
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Xluna wrote: »
    Would you like to be a woman or a homosexual in a Muslim society? Would you be scared to voice your dissent?

    And what religion has promoted the rights of women or homosexuals in western culture?


  • #41
    Red_Marauder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Red_Marauder


    Hank_Jones wrote: »
    Are you kidding? I certainly have problems with how they treat women.

    Any religion that looks down on women who show any sort of skin is just awful,
    especially considering that the majority of islamic countries are in some of the hottest places in the world.
    What about Ireland, a very cold country. [articularly recently, and the social pressures on girls to show as much skin as possible. Are you concerned about that?

    Anyway, the point is the OP referred to how unhappy these women "must be", I wonder what attempt she has made to find out.


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  • #42
    m@cc@
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    Xluna wrote: »
    Would you like to be a woman or a homosexual in a Muslim society? Would you be scared to voice your dissent?

    You're opinions expose a clear lack of understanding. You've clearly never been in contact with anyone of Islamic belief and take your prompts from the Daily Mail or some other tripe.


  • #43
    Red_Marauder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Red_Marauder


    Xluna wrote: »
    Would you like to be a woman or a homosexual in a Muslim society? Would you be scared to voice your dissent?
    I dunno about being gay but I would hate to be a woman in Irish society or Saudi society, either way you're gonna have to deal with periods, inferior pay and be taken less seriously tbh.


  • #44
    Xluna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Xluna


    davyjose wrote: »
    And what religion has promoted the rights of women or homosexuals in western culture?

    I never said other faiths are flawless. But they don't promote the castratation/execution of homosexuals nor do they promote publically torturing rape victims.


  • #45
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Hank_Jones wrote: »
    Any religion that looks down on women who show any sort of skin is just awful,
    especially considering that the majority of islamic countries are in some of the hottest places in the world.

    As opposed to Catholicism which just looks down on women?


  • #46
    Red_Marauder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Red_Marauder


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    You're opinions expose a clear lack of understanding. You've clearly never been in contact with anyone of Islamic belief and take your prompts from the Daily Mail or some other tripe.
    Cue OP insisting all of her friends are unhappy, black, wheelchair bound, lesbian Muslim sisters


  • #47
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Xluna wrote: »
    Would you like to be a woman or a homosexual in a Muslim society?

    Maybe not (although "a Muslim society" can mean a lot of different things) but I can think of a lot of "Christian" societies where it would be (or was until very recently) not a particularly appealing prospect either
    Xluna wrote: »
    But they don't promote the castratation/execution of homosexuals nor do they promote publically torturing rape victims.
    The death penelty existed in Ireland for homosexuals onetime and I seriously doubt it was Muslims who were responsible for lobbying for the introduction of this particular law.

    Even more recently rape victims were enslaved, imprisoned (and sometimes tortured) in "Magdelaine laundries"


  • #48
    robinph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Xluna wrote: »
    I never said other faiths are flawless. But they don't promote the castratation/execution of homosexuals nor do they promote publically torturing rape victims.

    I don't think that Islam does either.

    There are however crazy people that do such things and then claim that some story in a book told them to do it and that everyone else is just misunderstanding the story.


  • #49
    Hank_Jones
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    Red_Marauder wrote: »
    What about Ireland, a very cold country. [articularly recently, and the social pressures on girls to show as much skin as possible. Are you concerned about that?

    There's a big difference between having the choice to wear what you want and deciding to wear very little and being forced to wear clothes that cover your entire body every time you leave the house.


  • #50
    Xluna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Xluna


    Red_Marauder wrote: »
    What about Ireland, a very cold country. [articularly recently, and the social pressures on girls to show as much skin as possible. Are you concerned about that?

    Anyway, the point is the OP referred to how unhappy these women "must be", I wonder what attempt she has made to find out.

    FYI, I'm a guy and I'm not particulary concerned with how a woman chooses to dress herself. You might be interested to read this website from a former Muslim.


    In response to ongoing abuses of women's rights in the name of fundamentalist Islam, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and her supporters established the AHA Foundation in 2007 to help protect and defend the rights of women in the West against militant Islam.
    Through education, outreach and the dissemination of knowledge, the Foundation aims to combat several types of crimes against women, including female genital mutilation, forced marriages, honor violence, and honor killings.



    http://www.theahafoundation.org/


  • #51
    davyjose
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    The most naive statement one can possibly make : "It's just a religion, what harm does it do?"
    *Searches for another planet to live on*

    Be my guest Malty. You've taken one aspect of the point I've made and used it against me. The simple fact of the matter: most religious people are not to be feared; they are just religious.
    What happens is, extremists take their religion as an excuse (or qualification) to do behave pretty much as they wish.
    Culture might stem from religion to an extent, but it's a coin-flip as to how that might turn out. Again, not a direct result of islam. If the puritans had it their way, we'd be cursing Christianity more than we do now.


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  • #52
    ddef
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    Islam wouldnt mess with me. Im a ferocious muslum eating christian.


  • #53
    Sandvich
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    Wow, another rational reason to hate the Irish people.


  • #54
    Red_Marauder
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    Hank_Jones wrote: »
    There's a big difference between having the choice to wear what you want and deciding to wear very little and being forced to wear clothes that cover your entire body every time you leave the house.
    The practice seems to vary from country to country. I've spent time in 'Islamic' countries, and it varies from very normal clothes to shawls to loose headgear to burqas. Even in Iran there isn't always uniformity of dress.

    Ironically, my old apartment was beside a closed order of nuns who dress in similiar clothes to some Iranians and I've never heard of anyone expressing concern for them or the stress they might be under.


  • #55
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Xluna wrote: »
    FYI, I'm a guy and I'm not particulary concerned with how a woman chooses to dress herself. You might be interested to read this website from a former Muslim.


    In response to ongoing abuses of women's rights in the name of fundamentalist Islam, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and her supporters established the AHA Foundation in 2007 to help protect and defend the rights of women in the West against militant Islam.
    Through education, outreach and the dissemination of knowledge, the Foundation aims to combat several types of crimes against women, including female genital mutilation, forced marriages, honor violence, and honor killings.



    http://www.theahafoundation.org/

    I don't need to read it, I've highlighted the words in bold that you need to pay attention to. Notice how it doesn't say 'Islam' but rather 'militant Islam'. That's a similar difference to a Nationalist and a member of the IRA.


  • #56
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Any religion who's 'prophet' is a paedophile is deserving of my hatred for it.

    Among many other reasons.. Like their culture in general and beliefs.. Nah it's definitely justified.


  • #57
    Antbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Antbert


    Extremeists are scary, regardless of their religion. There are probably even extreme vegetarians who'd scare me.

    I s'pose Islam is singled out in Ireland because it's in a minority so we know very little about it. While I'm scathing towards all religion, ironically i'm more scathing towards Catholocism because I know more about it, not less.


  • #58
    Antbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Antbert


    Xluna wrote: »
    FYI, I'm a guy and I'm not particulary concerned with how a woman chooses to dress herself.
    I've often encountered you on the religion forums and... You're a guy?! I don't mean you type in a feminine way, I just always thought... Your name seemed... *trails off*

    Now I know!


  • #59
    robinph
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    Until their revolution in Iran it would have been mostly indestingishable from any western European country at the time, Afganistan was also very westernised around the same time I belive.


  • #60
    Red_Marauder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Red_Marauder


    robinph wrote: »
    Until their revolution in Iran it would have been mostly indestingishable from any western European country at the time,
    Absolutely not. People dressed more casually certainly, people drank at parties...but state security was intense and the Shah's regime was brutal in its authority and its meting out of torture - sometimes religion doesn't change much.

    edit: it's also worth pointing out that the pro-western Shah's regime prior to the 1979 revolution used early teen/ adolescent teenage boys to detonate landmines with their bodies to protect soldiers coming behind. The boys wore their mother's winter coats to prevent their limbs being scattered too far away from the scene.


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  • #61
    DazMarz
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    Islam is one very, very screwed up religion, it has to be said.

    -Their main prophet was a paedophile.

    -They think it normal to circumcise boys from infancy to adolescence WITHOUT painkillers/anaesthesia

    -It is written in the Koran that the ultimate goal will be to spread Islam across the face of the Earth and Islamic law will prevail across the world (ie. no non-religious music, no alcohol etc.)

    -I know of no other religion where its followers (extremist or not) will gladly blow themselves to kingdom come, purely for their religion

    and so on.

    Yes I am prejudiced against them; several relatives of mine were killed in either 9/11 or while serving in the American Armed Forces.

    I cannot help it, but I see it that they have no problem foisting their beliefs upon the world (forcibly if need be). Yes, the Catholic Church did the same in the middle ages with a little thing called the Inquisition, but that was an unenlightened time, when the Earth was still supposedly flat.

    In this modern day and age, religion should be taking a back seat to logic, reason and common sense.


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