Sky+HD now available without HD Sub

enfant terrible · 28-01-2010 08:52PM

gtg60 wrote: »

Look guys, they're never going to drop it completely in one go, what we'll see first is free HD subs for those with Premium channels and then maybe a year or two later free for all, this is the way Sky+ was priced a few years back, remember?

Don't think they have any plans to drop it, the HD sub is one of their big success stories.

Zonda999 · 28-01-2010 09:58PM

redout wrote: »

Sky have said that the 3D channel launching in april will be initially free of charge to existing HD customers. That obviously sounds like there will be a charge brought in for 3D at some time.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11096_5889013,00.html

Cant see there ever being a separate charge for 3D, people probably have some tolerance to pay 15€ extra for HD so i think anything on top of that is milking it too far, there could possibly be an extra charge for 3D if the HD sub was dropped and i guess that is'nt beyond the bounds of possibly judging by this move today but i think a drop to maybe €10/month is a more likely move in the not too distant future..

BArra · 28-01-2010 10:12PM

i was an existing sky+ customer and i upgraded skyHD recently with the hd pack, installed on the 16th jan, so still within my 30 days right to cancel

i paid 49e for the box and 60e for the install, so 109e total

im a little sickened to see today that they are now offering a free sky+ hd box with the hd pack for new and existing customers :mad:

i rang cancellations there and got through to a chap in ireland, I said is there any possibility i could be refunded the 49e price paid for the box, but he said he didnt have the authority to do that and just gave me a postal address if i wanted to cancel the service, i said id think about it

am i wasteing my time or what do ye think?

Calibos · 28-01-2010 11:38PM

Won't be getting Sky till we move back into renovated house in about 5 months at which point its Bye Bye to UPC.

Firstly this is great news just in time for me. Was going to get 2 HD boxes and Subs and 2 Standard boxes. ie. 4 boxes in total. Now I don't need scart to HDMI converters to hook up to two of those TV's. I'll just get 4 HD boxes and only take two HD subs for the time being. I'll now get the electrical contractor on the renovation to run 2 CT100 to those SD locations. Which leads me on to the other thing being discussed which is the value or lack thereof of the HD sub itself.

I actually have no problem paying the €15 HD sub. I don't expect this to ever disappear in reality. Sure, once they reach a critical mass of HD subscribers they may say they are getting rid of it but in reality they'll will probably just increase the regular sub to compensate. Then it'll be the remaining SD subscribers that'll be getting the raw deal, de facto paying for HD without receiving it. This'll push everyone over to HD eventually.

What does annoy me though is the fact that you have to pay the Full €15 HD sub again for every mirror sub on top of the mirror sub itself.

If anything is changed in relation to HD subs I imagine this will be the first thing to change....fingers crossed.

Liam Byrne · 29-01-2010 12:45AM

Wizard007 wrote: »

Upgrades are always more expensive Liam, now that they won't get it out of the €209 they were getting for Sky+ upgrade anymore so they've shoved up the HD upgrade without the Sub.

OK - so the initial line of the post is for new customers ? It's odd, because they won't be getting a HD sub from them either.

Would it be worth suggesting a possible cancellation ? I was actually thinking of it, given the woeful amount of repeats, but the discussion re DTT and the hassle to get DTT to every TV made me rethink it.

Wizard007 wrote: »

1 - Yes, the EPG works perfectly on a non HD TV.

Cool - heard it was much better. I assume that it still has a SCART connection ?

Wizard007 wrote: »

2 - Yes, existing eyes work fine but you need a HD remote control ( but you do not get HD reception through a magic eye )

No problem - no HD TVs in the house. The main thing was that the EPG and the recording would work. So from the sound of it would just involve a new remote or two.

Wizard007 wrote: »

3 - I don't really understand this one. What do you want to do, replace the eye with the sky box? You can do this but the cable will have to come directly from the dish, not rf2.

You might have indirectly answered it. I was wondering that if I keep the eye/RF from the new box to the 2nd TV, but put the old box directly on that 2nd TV (via a new cable to the dish) whether the 2 remotes (the "local" one to the 2nd TV and the Sky+ remote via magic eye) would interfere with or confuse each other.

Wizard007 wrote: »

4 - Yeah, if the magic eye is comming from rf2 then all Sky+ functions will work on the second TV.

Great.

If it weren't for the differential in how they treat existing and new customers, I'd be on for it - €79 would be worth it. But €159 is pushing it.

Wizard007 wrote: »

If I've misunderstood what you're asking, apologies in advance

You got 99% of it right - much appreciated!

beer enigma · 29-01-2010 10:17AM

Wizard007 wrote: »

That's 40 lashes for you Andip

Please

JDxtra · 29-01-2010 11:24AM

BArra wrote: »

i was an existing sky+ customer and i upgraded skyHD recently with the hd pack, installed on the 16th jan, so still within my 30 days right to cancel

i paid 49e for the box and 60e for the install, so 109e total

im a little sickened to see today that they are now offering a free sky+ hd box with the hd pack for new and existing customers :mad:

i rang cancellations there and got through to a chap in ireland, I said is there any possibility i could be refunded the 49e price paid for the box, but he said he didnt have the authority to do that and just gave me a postal address if i wanted to cancel the service, i said id think about it

am i wasteing my time or what do ye think?

If you bought a TV before Christmas, but it was reduced in the sales can you go back for a refund of the difference? I don't think so.

BArra · 29-01-2010 03:55PM

well yes you could if you had your receipt? still within your stat rights

return tv, get refund, purchase lower priced TV?

am i missing something here?

JDxtra · 29-01-2010 04:52PM

From http://www.consumerconnect.ie/eng/Hot_Topics/Guides-to-Consumer-Law/Shopping/changing-your-mind.html...

Remember that you have no rights under consumer law if you simply change your mind and decide you don't want to keep the goods that you have bought.

Morrisseeee · 29-01-2010 08:03PM

Maybe a stupid Q, but........if I've already got a Sky+ box, and now I get a new HD box, am I right in thinking there's fcek all to setting it up (using same connectors, wires, etc), ie. not paying the €60 'install' fee ?!?!

redout · 29-01-2010 08:42PM

Morrisseeee wrote: »

Maybe a stupid Q, but........if I've already got a Sky+ box, and now I get a new HD box, am I right in thinking there's fcek all to setting it up (using same connectors, wires, etc), ie. not paying the €60 'install' fee ?!?!

The only difference is that you use a hdmi cable instead of a scart lead. Sky wont give you the box but and require an installer to do it. Complete ripoff if you know what your doing especially if its only a swap out though someone on here mentioned Sky have started to allow self installs in the UK so hopefully that will be brought in here.

JDxtra · 29-01-2010 09:04PM

They may need to run a new phone cable, or realign your dish, then there are transport costs and the engineers time. Not to mention that the box will be yours to keep. Not bad for €60. Would be better of course if the monthly HD sub was less than €15 though.

Reganovski · 29-01-2010 09:39PM

I rang sky yesterday and they told me they're not doing standard boxes anymore but these HD boxes for new customers. What am I gonna do now as the apartment block we are moving into is only wired for standard sky as they don't have the second wire!!

John mac · 30-01-2010 01:40AM

Reganovski wrote: »

I rang sky yesterday and they told me they're not doing standard boxes anymore but these HD boxes for new customers. What am I gonna do now as the apartment block we are moving into is only wired for standard sky as they don't have the second wire!!

It will still work but no recording another channel while watching one.

Minstrel27 · 30-01-2010 02:09AM

Reganovski wrote: »

I rang sky yesterday and they told me they're not doing standard boxes anymore but these HD boxes for new customers. What am I gonna do now as the apartment block we are moving into is only wired for standard sky as they don't have the second wire!!

The Sky HD box will still work on one cable. You wont be able to record one channel while watching another one though.

AntiRip · 30-01-2010 02:14AM

One-off box cost - Existing Customers
€99 or €49 with Multiroom

Standard set-up - Existing Customers
€60 or €30 with Multiroom

Just a quick question, I currently have sky+ and one multiroom sub, so does this mean if I was to get a HD box it would cost me €49 plus €30 installation because I already have multiroom or do I have to take out an extra multiroom card?

Thanks

redout · 30-01-2010 02:19AM

AntiRip wrote: »

One-off box cost - Existing Customers
€99 or €49 with Multiroom

Standard set-up - Existing Customers
€60 or €30 with Multiroom

Just a quick question, I currently have sky+ and one multiroom sub, so does this mean if I was to get a HD box it would cost me €49 plus €30 installation because I already have multiroom or do I have to take out an extra multiroom card?

Thanks

I think it means were you to ask for 2 Sky+ HD boxes to replace your current boxes then it would cost 49+49+30= €128

AntiRip · 30-01-2010 02:25AM

redout wrote: »

I think it means were you to ask for 2 Sky+ HD boxes to replace your current boxes then it would cost 49+49+30= €128

Sounds too good for 2 HD boxes though

Reganovski · 30-01-2010 11:12AM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

The Sky HD box will still work on one cable. You wont be able to record one channel while watching another one though.

Is that the only use for the second wire to record a second channel?
The fella at sky hadn't a clue.

So could I still get HD channels without the second wire?

Wizard007 · 30-01-2010 11:50AM

AntiRip wrote: »

One-off box cost - Existing Customers
€99 or €49 with Multiroom

Standard set-up - Existing Customers
€60 or €30 with Multiroom

Just a quick question, I currently have sky+ and one multiroom sub, so does this mean if I was to get a HD box it would cost me €49 plus €30 installation because I already have multiroom or do I have to take out an extra multiroom card?

Thanks

Anytime you see with Multiroom it means if you're taking an extra room on top of your current package. If you want to swap out one of the boxes for a HD, it's €99 and €60 or if taking the HD Sub the box is free and install €60.

John mac · 30-01-2010 11:57AM

Reganovski wrote: »

Is that the only use for the second wire to record a second channel?
The fella at sky hadn't a clue.

So could I still get HD channels without the second wire?

YES.

Wizard007 · 30-01-2010 12:02PM

Reganovski wrote: »

Is that the only use for the second wire to record a second channel?
The fella at sky hadn't a clue.

So could I still get HD channels without the second wire?

Yes you will.

Wizard007 · 30-01-2010 01:17PM

JDxtra wrote: »

They may need to run a new phone cable, or realign your dish, then there are transport costs and the engineers time. Not to mention that the box will be yours to keep. Not bad for €60.

And also, it's under warranty if anything goes wrong in the twelve months following the install.

redout · 30-01-2010 01:31PM

Wizard007 wrote: »

Anytime you see with Multiroom it means if you're taking an extra room on top of your current package. If you want to swap out one of the boxes for a HD, it's €99 and €60 or if taking the HD Sub the box is free and install €60.

So what is the total cost for replacing 2 Sky+ with 2 Sky+ HD boxes and install with no HD sub.

redout · 30-01-2010 02:17PM

I think this deal is not that good. I just got off the phone with Sky and was quoted €358 to replace 2 Sky+ with 2 Sky+ HD and no HD sub. I asked the guy about the

One-off box cost - Existing Customers
€99 or €49 with Multiroom

and he said that only applies if you take out an additional muti room sub on top of the one I already have!

Wizard007 · 30-01-2010 03:01PM

There are nearly 200 combinations of offers Redout. I don't know where your man in Sky is going with that figure.

Install 2 x HD Boxes without HD subs existing customer €249 & €30 = €279 - That's what we have here. The second HD is subsidised also but not as heavily. And the install is subsidised as a Multiroom install because the customer is having two boxes replaced.

"and he said that only applies if you take out an additional muti room sub on top of the one I already have!"

Anytime you see with Multiroom it means if you're taking an extra room on top of your current package. If you want to swap out one of the boxes for a HD, it's €99 and €60 or if taking the HD Sub the box is free and install €60. That's already explained above.

jaya · 30-01-2010 05:43PM

if multiroom is €7.50 extra for each additional box for the first 12 months, and €15 for each additional box after 12 months.

...and the hd sub is €15,

...how much is a hd sub multiroom sub ?

is it €15 for the main box and €22.50 for each additional box (up to €30 after 12 months) ?

Wizard007 · 30-01-2010 06:02PM

Multiroom sub is €7.50 for one extra box for the first twelve months and €15 for up to 7 additional boxes for the first twelve months ( whole homes offer )

Multiroom sub goes up to €15 per room after the twelve month offer is over.

HD sub is €15 per month indeffinately.

I assume you mean 2 x HD boxes? We're waiting to have it confirmed that the offer of 2 x HD sub for a new customer is €20 per month ( €15 and €5 ). Sky had this offer previously and we don't know yet are they bringing it out feb 1st.

jaya · 30-01-2010 06:49PM

thanks wizard, .... i have sky+, 6 pack + sports, ....theres more options/competition all around now so i have been trying to decide whether to get more sky or less sky

.

Existing Sky digital customers who take up the HD Pack and sign up to Sky TV for another 12 months can receive one Sky+HD box free. Same install fees as above apply.

what is the 12 month contract for here ? can you cancel the hd pack during the 12 months ? what part of your package is locked in ?

Upgrading to Multiroom - €49 for the box & €30 for install

is there a limit to the number of boxes you can get ?
i presume 'whole home' ...1 + 7 ...becomes 1 + 3 with hd boxes, ... max of 4 off an octo ?

+ €60 for install, .... + €30 for install

is this charge for each box installed ?
so for example 2 more multiroom boxes would be (€49+€30) + (€49+€30)
or would it be (€49+€49) + (€30)

Wizard007 · 30-01-2010 07:17PM

No problem

It's the contract to Sky that's locked in. I'm not so sure about dropping the Sky+ HD sub during the first year with this new offer, but I will find out for you.

Yes, you can have 4 x HD off the octo but whole homes offers apply to new customers only.

The €60 and €30 install fee applies once to an order, regardless of how many boxes.

Sky+HD now available without HD Sub

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