Eamon Lillis guilty of Manslaughter

kraggy · 29-01-2010 07:29PM #1

Suitable conviction in my humble opinion. Didn't sound like murder.

Majority decision 10-2.

dlofnep · 29-01-2010 07:30PM

Don't really know the facts.

What was the basis for it being considered manslaughter?

My name is URL · 29-01-2010 07:33PM

I had a feeling that would be the verdict. My own thought is that he just lost it and then panicked, but didn't intend to kill her

not that that makes it any more excusable

xoxyx · 29-01-2010 07:36PM

Taking all else away, he could have been convicted of manslaughter for his negligence in failing to get his wife medical attention. That's aside from the (:rolleyes:alleged:rolleyes:) brick/head smashing.
I think he's guilty as sin and hope he never forgets it. Scumbag!

kraggy · 29-01-2010 07:36PM

No further details at present, but the judge offered the jury the possibility of finding manslaughter as the result if:

1. They felt Lillis had been provoked
2. If the State “proves an unlawful killing, but fails to prove intent,
3. Lillis was grossly negligent i.e. she could have been saved had he intervened and got help.
4. Lillis acted in self-defence.

While I type, I have just heard that the basis for their finding of manslaughter was that the State did not prove INTENT.

herya · 29-01-2010 07:37PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Perhaps she fell on the brick?

sure, three times.

kraggy · 29-01-2010 07:37PM

z_topaz wrote: »

Taking all else away, he could have been convicted of manslaughter for his negligence in failing to get his wife medical attention. That's aside from the (:rolleyes:alleged:rolleyes:) brick/head smashing.
I think he's guilty as sin and hope he never forgets it. Scumbag!

He is guilty. Of Manslaughter.

ilovelamp2000 · 29-01-2010 07:37PM

What did he intend to do to his wife with a brick ?

Just bruise her ? How many times did he hit her with it ?

This sounds like a cop out by the jury.

bad2dabone · 29-01-2010 07:38PM

a lucky verdict for him in my opinion.

kraggy · 29-01-2010 07:38PM

caseyann wrote: »

That's the thing( didn't sound like;)) You weren't there nor was anyone else so all they have is what he says:rolleyes:

How many Irish men have murdered their wives and children also in some cases.Its becoming shocking

Plenty of men have been victim of domestic abuse at the hands of women too. Don't be so naive/feminist as to think otherwise.

rubensni · 29-01-2010 07:40PM

Murder is where someone dies and the attacker intended to to kill or intended to cause serious injury.

I think he was very lucky today.

celticbest · 29-01-2010 07:40PM

It was always going to be murder or manslaughter. It was just a matter of the jury coming to a majority decision.

Hopefully this gives her family some closure. May she now rest in peace.

ilovelamp2000 · 29-01-2010 07:41PM

kraggy wrote: »

Plenty of men have been victim of domestic abuse at the hands of women too. Don't be so naive/feminist as to think otherwise.

And for that reason it's okay to beat your wife around the head with a brick ?

Or am I missing the point of your post ?

kraggy · 29-01-2010 07:42PM

caseyann wrote: »

Come on seriously think about it honest accident you would straight away ring ambulance if you give a **** about the person:rolleyes:

She might have lived therefore he is guilty of murder

Incorrect.

The initial physical actions were most probably just trying to hurt her not kill her.

The gross negligence of leaving her there without getting help also qualify as manslaughter.

Correct result if you ask me.

caseyann · 29-01-2010 07:42PM

kraggy wrote: »

Plenty of men have been victim of domestic abuse at the hands of women too. Don't be so naive/feminist as to think otherwise.

I am far from it my friend was stabbed by a woman who was stalking him.Just because i made a comment such as that doesn't make me feminist.It is fact

kraggy · 29-01-2010 07:45PM

Rosco1982 wrote: »

And for that reason it's okay to beat your wife around the head with a brick ?

Or am I missing the point of your post ?

Don't be ridiculous. That's not what I meant. How could you even pick that up from my post.

CaseyAnn's post suggested that it's men that do all the beating/killing. They don't.

markok84 · 29-01-2010 07:45PM

did they find scuff marks on his hands that would prove he used the brick as a weapon? I'm pretty sure if you used a brick to beat someone's head in it'd leave scratch marks on your hands. Were the web of lies he concocted after the "manslaughter" taken into account? Should he not also be tried for obstruction of justice. He'll probably be out in 3 years anyway, that's the Irish judicial system for ya, we don't punish the middle class. :mad:

ilovelamp2000 · 29-01-2010 07:46PM

kraggy wrote: »

Incorrect.

The initial physical actions were most probably just trying to hurt her not kill her.

The gross negligence of leaving her there without getting help also qualify as manslaughter.

Correct result if you ask me.

If I wanted to hurt someone I'd punch them.

If I wanted to seriously injure them or kill them I'd use a hard heavy object to hit them with. And intent to seriously injure someone is enough intention to convict for murder.

caseyann · 29-01-2010 07:47PM

Rosco1982 wrote: »

And for that reason it's okay to beat your wife around the head with a brick ?

Or am I missing the point of your post ?

I know its so PC its beyond real :rolleyes:

ilovelamp2000 · 29-01-2010 07:47PM

kraggy wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous. That's not what I meant. How could you even pick that up from my post.

CaseyAnn's post suggested that it's men that do all the beating/killing. They don't.

I know it's not what you meant, but I think CaseyAnn is correct. The majority of marital murders are carried out by men.

There's no point in trying to pretend otherwise.

Helix · 29-01-2010 07:47PM

walshb wrote: »

what the **** more do you need to do to be guilty of murder?

be proven to have premeditated it

caseyann · 29-01-2010 07:50PM

kraggy wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous. That's not what I meant. How could you even pick that up from my post.

CaseyAnn's post suggested that it's men that do all the beating/killing. They don't.

Incorrect i pointed out the alarming amount of Irish men who have murdered their wives.
If it was about a woman who murdered their husband or bf i would be shocked at that to.But fact is there is not same amount.

walshb · 29-01-2010 07:50PM

Helix wrote: »

be proven to have premeditated it

Well, that stinks. The fact is that the woman was helpless, badly injured and face down, now, you go and smack her twice more with a ****ing brick, then that is as clear cut as you can get, pre or post or whatever meditated
If that isn't intent to kill, then what is?

kraggy · 29-01-2010 07:50PM

Rosco1982 wrote: »

If I wanted to hurt someone I'd punch them.

If I wanted to seriously injure them or kill them I'd use a hard heavy object to hit them with. And intent to seriously injure someone is enough intention to convict for murder.

caseyann wrote: »

So bashing her in head with a Brick he was just trying to hurt her :rolleyes: To much simpsons he watched i think:rolleyes:

It's quite plausible, in a domestic argument where things get heated, that someone could pick up a brick as part of that struggle in order to do damage to the other person, WITHOUT SAYING TO THEMSELVES "I'm going to kill this person right here, right now."

How many times have there been instances in town on a saturday night where drunken brawls have got to the stage where one guy kicked another guy in the head, full swing? That's worse than a brick but you wouldn't try to put him down for murder, and chances are he wouldn't.

thebiglad · 29-01-2010 07:52PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Perhaps she fell on the brick?

3 times???

ilovelamp2000 · 29-01-2010 07:53PM

kraggy wrote: »

It's quite plausible, in a domestic argument where things get heated, that someone could pick up a brick as part of that struggle in order to do damage to the other person, WITHOUT SAYING TO THEMSELVES "I'm going to kill this person right here, right now."

How many times have there been instances in town on a saturday night where drunken brawls have got to the stage where one guy kicked another guy in the head, full swing? That's worse than a brick but you wouldn't try to put him down for murder, and chances are he wouldn't.

And if the person knows the can do serious damage to a person with a brick then that's all the proof that's needed for the crime of murder.

You don't need evidence that there was an intention to kill, an intention to seriously hurt someone is enough.

walshb · 29-01-2010 07:53PM

kraggy wrote: »

It's quite plausible, in a domestic argument where things get heated, that someone could pick up a brick as part of that struggle in order to do damage to the other person, WITHOUT SAYING TO THEMSELVES "I'm going to kill this person right here, right now."

How many times have there been instances in town on a saturday night where drunken brawls have got to the stage where one guy kicked another guy in the head, full swing? That's worse than a brick but you wouldn't try to put him down for murder, and chances are he wouldn't.

How would you know that it's worse than a brick? A brick is a deadly weapon, 5- 7 lbs in weight and solid. BTW, he didn't hit her once, it was three times, twice whilst she was completely defenceless and NO threat at all. He then had a chance to save her, and didn't. That is despicable.

All one can hope for is a stiff manslaughter sentence, and yes, pigs will fly

The_Kew_Tour · 29-01-2010 07:54PM

Its the daughter I feel most sorry for in this.

She is the loser in all this.

I hope the media give her the privacy she deserves now.

Dan Chipowski · 29-01-2010 07:55PM

Just shows what a joke this country is becoming, I don't care whether he woke up that morning planning to kill her or not...anyone smashing their wife to death with a brick should be locked up for life. And in any other country he would be.

Hope he dies in jail.

bad2dabone · 29-01-2010 07:56PM

I think what happened was, the wife was an overbearing sort, maybe a bit of a bully,
and they had no real relationship to speak of. He meets this girl and begins an affair, the wife finds out about it or has a go at him about being useless, emasculates him, pushes his buttons and he snaps, bashes her head in with a brick, concocts a series of ridiculous tales and dodgy explanations. Murder in my opinion.

Reginald P. DuM · 29-01-2010 07:56PM

Regardless of verdict I'm just glad it's all over. The most mundane murder trial in history. I'm aware they are not there for our entertainment but it was all over the news for weeks and I had the words "Eamon Lillis" up to my eyeballs.

Eamon Lillis guilty of Manslaughter

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