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DTT Commercial Multiplexes (was OneVision, Boxer etc...)

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  • #722
    scath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭scath


    Elmo wrote: »
    Does TV3 have any interest in this project?

    A nominal interest...it seems, judging by the recent shareholding. If it goes well they get a return on small investment, if it doesn't then they wouldn' lose too much. Setanta have more of an interest than TV3 it seems. Arquiva also. Eircom have a big interest. It reflects priorities I suppose. Programming investment is more important than platform I think. Just DTT is good for 3e. For RTÉ its different, its about the country and NL having best use of resources ie DTT provides better return than ATT over time.

    Later today or tomorrow we hear from the BAI?


  • #723
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,361 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Elmo wrote: »
    Does TV3 have any interest in this project?

    As scath said previously
    Eircom move lifts hope of ending digital TV impasse
    By Laura Noonan
    Tuesday December 22 2009

    ...

    The changes, notified to the Broadcasting Authority last week, would see Eircom take a 65pc stake in the venture, while Arqiva takes 25pc, Setanta takes 10pc and TV3 assumes a "nominal" shareholding.

    ...

    It is understood that TV3's slimmed down One Vision stake reflects the broadcaster's doubts about whether the project is commercially viable enough to convince owners Doughty Hanson to cough up a multi-million euro cash injection.

    Both Eircom and TV3 declined to comment on the ownership changes, as did a spokesman for One Vision. A spokeswoman for the Broadcasting Authority confirmed changes had been notified, but said the authority would not announce a decision on the new structure until the New Year.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/eircom-move-lifts-hope-of-ending-digital-tv-impasse-1984365.html
    scath wrote: »
    Later today or tomorrow we hear from the BAI?

    I wouldn't hold my breath, communicating with the public is not their best strength.:rolleyes: Their last press release was over two months ago.


  • #724
    scath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭scath


    Agreed the Cush! Its back to the security deposit again lol. Will RTE play ball or will they say, No, no. Take it or leave it again lol. If they do will Eircom swallow or not? Or will they invite RTÉ into the consortium in exchange for getting over this problem? I'm sure if Liberty are not keen now, they could be persuaded to. If Liberty are keen, then they'd have no reason to budge. End of day, NL should have that sounded out already.


  • #725
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The Cush wrote: »
    As scath said previously.

    That report was a while ago AFAIK TV3 had reduce their shareholding down to near 0%.
    The changes, notified to the Broadcasting Authority last week, would see Eircom take a 65pc stake in the venture, while Arqiva takes 25pc, Setanta takes 10pc and TV3 assumes a "nominal" shareholding.

    Eircom move lifts hope of ending digital TV impasse

    Will RTE play ball or will they say, No, no.

    Again why should public funds be used to support a private company? The security should be given, RTÉ are obviously worried that the private company won't be their for long. Only problem for RTÉ is that it makes them a scapegoat when the private company decides to move on. And it is only a security, RTÉ want it to make their books look good after investing so much money into the network, IMO this is only fair.


  • #726
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,361 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Elmo wrote: »
    That report was a while ago AFAIK TV3 had reduce their shareholding down to near 0%.

    Its the most recent information we have on the shareholding (Dec)-
    Eircom - 65%, Arqiva - 25%, Setanta - 10%, TV3 - nominal

    In Sept the shareholding changed as follows
    Eircom - 40%, Arqiva - 40%, Setanta - 10%, TV3 - 10%

    Initially (May 2008) the shareholding in OneVision was
    Eircom - 25%, Arqiva - 25%, Setanta - 25%, TV3 - 25%

    Elmo wrote: »
    Eircom move lifts hope of ending digital TV impasse
    Link posted in my previous post.


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  • #727
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The Cush wrote: »
    Link posted in my previous post.


    Just reiterating your point. Sorry I thought you were referring back to the 10% owned by TV3.


  • #728
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭Apogee


    The Cush wrote: »
    Two recent articles on today's BAI monthly meeting relating to OneVision.
    Sunday Business Post wrote:
    The board of the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland meets for the first time tomorrow with the much delayed contract negotiations over Digital Terrestrial Television (DTT) among the main items on its agenda.

    A proposed levy on broadcasters to help fund the BAI’s activities is not expected to arise.

    A BAI spokesman said the efforts to finalise a contract with the OneVision consortium to provide DTT services were ‘‘at a critical stage’’, but he could make no further comment.

    OneVision, which includes Eircom and TV3, has been seeking flexibility on the financing of DTT, which is due to take over free-to-air broadcasting here when analogue transmission ends across Europe in 2012. RTE, itself under financial pressure, has asked for a guarantee of €20 million from OneVision to ensure that the commercial partners will stick with DTT if RTE builds the network at a projected cost of more than €100 million.

    The meeting will also discuss framing the BAI’s strategy document for the next three years. This is due for publication in September, and a number of internal issues will also be discussed.

    The new BAI board was formally appointed on October 1.

    Eventually, it will have nine members, but so far, just five members of the board have been confirmed and will attend the meeting. They are chairman Bob Collins and journalists John Waters, Maria Maloney, Paula Downey and Michelle McShortall.

    The board members who have been proposed by an Oireachtas committee, but who have not yet been approved by the government, are Larry Bass, managing director and chief executive of Screentime Shinawil, Michael Moriarty, general secretary of the Irish Vocational Educational Authority, Colum Kenny, professor of communications and journalism in DCU, and producer Siobhán Ní Ghadhra.
    Evening Herald wrote:
    Talks start on digital future

    The Broadcasting Authority of Ireland board meet for the first time today and have listed discussions on contract negotiations over Digital Terrestrial Television (DTT).

    OneVision, which includes Eircom and TV3, has been seeking flexibility on the financing of DTT.

    RTE have asked for a guarantee of €20m from OneVision to ensure that the commercial partners will stick with DTT if the state broadcaster builds the network at a projected cost of more than €100m.

    The 3 most important buttons on the keyboard of an Evening Herald "journalist".

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  • #729
    scath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭scath


    :D hehe...Apogee...love that pic...that article restated the history rather than saying much new...wonder what outcome of BAI meet was


  • #730
    John Dough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭John Dough


    It seems to me Eircom would be better off running a tv service on there existing phone network as new compression methods are making this possible now with very little startup costs in comparison to DTT.


  • #731
    scath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭scath


    Interesting response by Minister Ryan on http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2010-01-26.416.0 He is to hear from the ASO Switchover Group within weeks and, consider than and then give DTT launch and ASO switchoff. Quarter 4 2012 seems to be switchoff. That would be in line with NI. I suspect we'll have a joint NI-ROI ASO campaign which would be good!

    Also: http://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2010-01-26.39.0, so it seems Saorview will definitely be launched officialy by end of next year 2011 but could be before that. End of 2012 is apparently absolute for ASO. The Minister won't step into the middle of negotiations with One Vision & the BAI & RTÉ NL. It is the BAI who will set the deadline for Commercial DTT. Therefore Pay DTT may or not be licensed but definitely FTA DTT will launch by or before end of 2011.


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  • #732
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,361 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    scath wrote: »
    Also: http://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2010-01-26.39.0, so it seems Saorview will definitely be launched officialy by end of next year 2011 but could be before that. End of 2012 is apparently absolute for ASO. The Minister won't step into the middle of negotiations with One Vision & the BAI & RTÉ NL. It is the BAI who will set the deadline for Commercial DTT. Therefore Pay DTT may or not be licensed but definitely FTA DTT will launch by or before end of 2011.

    This is from Priority Questions for the Minister yesterday in the Dáil. Question 92 the position regarding the progress made in securing commercial digital television services following ongoing negotiations between a consortium (details supplied), RTÉ and the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland.

    The video recording of priority questions is available here, Question 92 is about 56 mins. in.


  • #733
    SPDUB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    What an idiot .Allowing DTT to possibly drift to end of 2011 and then trying to shut down analogue after 1 year .

    Not unless they give out free boxes

    Still from what I have heard about him it's what I would expect .


  • #734
    mrdtv2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭mrdtv2010


    Now this is interesting. If it isn't launched till the end of 2011 then they should switch to DVB-T2 to align with NI. By that time the prices of DVB-T2 will have come down. As I thought at the end of last year its going to be delayed yet again, but no surprise at all.


  • #735
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,361 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    mrdtv2010 wrote: »
    Now this is interesting. If it isn't launched till the end of 2011 then they should switch to DVB-T2 to align with NI. By that time the prices of DVB-T2 will have come down. As I thought at the end of last year its going to be delayed yet again, but no surprise at all.

    2011 was an amendment to the current Broadcasting Act, then Broadcasting Bill. It was added after the collapse of Boxer last Jun/Jul region in case OneVision/EasyTV also failed so that another amending Bill would not be required if the process dragged on. We'll have DTT before that.


  • #736
    tretle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭tretle


    Irish and UK Governments sign digital TV switchover pact
    01.02.2010
    The Irish Government and the British Government have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) aimed at ensuring a smooth transition to digital switchover and the switch-off of analogue services in Northern Ireland.

    The MoU provides a framework for continuing co-operation on broadcasting issues on the island of Ireland.

    It was signed by Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Eamon Ryan TD and Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport Ben Bradshaw.

    The Memorandum commits the two Governments to facilitating the widespread availability of RTÉ services in Northern Ireland and BBC services in Ireland on a free-to-air basis. It will also ensure the continuing widespread availability of the Irish language channel TG4 in Northern Ireland following the digital switchover.

    “This agreement is the culmination of a very successful period of co-operation on broadcasting issues between the Governments of Ireland and the UK and its benefits will be manifold,” Ryan said.

    “It will help to ensure a smooth transition to digital television, the availability of TG4 throughout the island of Ireland and will facilitate RTE availability on an all-island basis. The agreement will also help the delivery of broader economic and social benefits which are to be gained by all our citizens from the release of digital dividend spectrum following the closure of the analogue TV services.”

    Ireland-Northern Ireland Memorandum of Understanding on digital switchover
    The Memorandum of Understanding provides a framework for the changes that are taking place in Ireland and Northern Ireland to the technologies used in the reception of television services.

    Switchover in Northern Ireland is planned for 2012 with digital TV roll out being planned for Ireland on a similar timescale.

    Both the Good Friday Agreement and the St Andrews Agreement recognised the important role television plays with regard to the diverse cultural and linguistic identities that exist on the island.

    “The Irish Government is acutely aware of the huge cultural importance of RTÉ and TG4 for so many people in all parts of Northern Ireland,” Minister for Foreign Affairs Micheál Martin TD said.

    “We are very pleased that today’s agreement will help facilitate their enjoyment of Irish television services long into the future. The Irish Government is committed to assisting the development of the Irish language in Northern Ireland and the implementation of outstanding commitments made in the St Andrews Agreement including an Irish Language Act. We look forward to early agreement on an Irish-language strategy.”

    By John Kennedy
    Thats an article from silicon republic

    Does this mean that the bbc service will be offered to all Irish citizens via the free dtt service or not? Thats what it sounds like to me and it makes sense seeing as RTE and TG4 services will be provided in the north but just want to see how others interpret this.


  • #737
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    tretle wrote: »
    Thats an article from silicon republic

    Does this mean that the bbc service will be offered to all Irish citizens via the free dtt service or not? Thats what it sounds like to me and it makes sense seeing as RTE and TG4 services will be provided in the north but just want to see how others interpret this.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055815871&page=2

    We don't know it is a bit of a political spin at the moment. I am guessing that BBC 1 and 2 might be avialable on SaorView with RTE 1, 2 and TG4 on FreeView in the north. Or as point out BBC 1 and 2 on One Vision :( which was always the plan.


  • #738
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    Elmo wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055815871&page=2

    We don't know it is a bit of a political spin at the moment. I am guessing that BBC 1 and 2 might be avialable on SaorView with RTE 1, 2 and TG4 on FreeView in the north. Or as point out BBC 1 and 2 on One Vision :( which was always the plan.

    will be interesting to see... my reading is that it will be available fta as part of the rte mux.... but utv and c4 will not be as they are commercial broadcasters.


  • #739
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    will be interesting to see... my reading is that it will be available fta as part of the rte mux.... but utv and c4 will not be as they are commercial broadcasters.

    Yeah but it could also mean that the BBC is made available on DTT which could mean One Vision.

    Ditto TV3 in the North. C4 is a PSB more so than ITV/UTV/STV as it is a semi-state body.


  • #740
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭slegs


    Elmo wrote: »
    Yeah but it could also mean that the BBC is made available on DTT which could mean One Vision.

    Ditto TV3 in the North. C4 is a PSB more so than ITV/UTV/STV as it is a semi-state body.

    Ulnikely, why would there be a public service channel exchange agreement and then charge for them. The only rational interpretation is that BBC1 and BBC2 Ni will be FTA on terrestrial in Ireland.


  • #741
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    slegs wrote: »
    Ulnikely, why would there be a public service channel exchange agreement and then charge for them. The only rational interpretation is that BBC1 and BBC2 Ni will be FTA on terrestrial in Ireland.

    I am going air on the side of Maybe.

    Maybe BBC 1 NI and BBC 2 NI will be made available on SaorView or maybe it will be made available on One Vision. The statement by the two government does not make that clear.

    As I said in the other forum the BBC or whom ever owns the network in NI could turn around and charge RTE and TG4 for their use of the service, while the BBC optS to allow BBC 1 + 2 NI on One Vision for a carriage fee. This scenario would suit the statement IMO. But that is politics for you.


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  • #742
    craoltoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭craoltoir


    I go with slegs on this one. Public service channels, BBC and RTÉ/TG4 as outlined in the statement, to be available on Public Service Mux throughout the island. OneVision if they ever get off the ground to sell other services if people want them.

    I presume the authorities considered the question of an objection from commercial interests but that they are happy that this won't affect the plan.


  • #743
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭slegs


    Elmo wrote: »
    I am going air on the side of Maybe.

    Maybe BBC 1 NI and BBC 2 NI will be made available on SaorView or maybe it will be made available on One Vision. The statement by the two government does not make that clear.

    As I said in the other forum the BBC or whom ever owns the network in NI could turn around and charge RTE and TG4 for their use of the service, while the BBC optS to allow BBC 1 + 2 NI on One Vision for a carriage fee. This scenario would suit the statement IMO. But that is politics for you.

    You wouldnt need a government agreement for Onevision to pay BBC to retransmit in Ireland. That would be a commerical agreement between Onevision and BBC.


  • #744
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    slegs wrote: »
    You wouldnt need a government agreement for Onevision to pay BBC to retransmit in Ireland. That would be a commerical agreement between Onevision and BBC.

    No but the agreement looks good doesn't it.


  • #745
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭slegs


    Elmo wrote: »
    No but the agreement looks good doesn't it.

    Yes, very positive. Who knows UTV may want to jump aboard also now that BBC have made the first move.


  • #746
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    They actually mention that BBC and RTE will be FTA. Carriage and rights issues to be sorted out later.

    Likely, is that RTE carries carriage costs of BBC on SOARview, and BBC carries cost in NI. Rights te swallowed by the originator.


  • #747
    sesswhat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭sesswhat


    Elmo wrote: »
    Maybe BBC 1 NI and BBC 2 NI will be made available on SaorView or maybe it will be made available on One Vision. The statement by the two government does not make that clear.

    The proposed One Vision would be just another subscription service and would seem irrelevant to this document. The BBCs/RTEs are already on subscription services on both side of the border.

    To me, this reads as being all about FTA DTT. The best thing about it is it may spark a bit of publicity and get RTE's head out of the sand.


  • #748
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,067 ✭✭✭slegs


    Was there ever any indication from Onevision as to which encryption they would use? Most STBs come with Conax built in.


  • #749
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    sesswhat wrote: »
    The proposed One Vision would be just another subscription service and would seem irrelevant to this document. The BBCs/RTEs are already on subscription services on both side of the border.

    To me, this reads as being all about FTA DTT. The best thing about it is it may spark a bit of publicity and get RTE's head out of the sand.

    But as I say it just makes politicians look good.

    RTÉ's head isn't in the sand, it is the BAI and the Government holding things and even One Vision. RTÉ have had to force things along for the past 10 years.


  • #750
    sesswhat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭sesswhat


    Elmo wrote: »
    RTÉ's head isn't in the sand, it is the BAI and the Government holding things and even One Vision. RTÉ have had to force things along for the past 10 years.

    Regardless of all the commercial service nonsense, RTE are in a position to, and should be obliged to, keep all their FTA viewers informed on the impact of the planned changes. Instead they have chosen to let everyone find the information for themselves, perhaps after spending €700 on an mpeg2 IDTV.


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  • #751
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    sesswhat wrote: »
    Regardless of all the commercial service nonsense, RTE are in a position to, and should be obliged to, keep all their FTA viewers informed on the impact of the planned changes. Instead they have chosen to let everyone find the information for themselves, perhaps after spending €700 on an mpeg2 IDTV.

    I am not sure but I don't think it was totally RTÉ's decision to change to MPEG4.


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