Is films with very young kids using guns/weapons a step too far?

starbelgrade · 28-01-2010 04:01AM

Do kids get I-ded (how do you say that?) at cinemas?

Piste · 28-01-2010 04:35AM

Yes, used to piss me off so much when I was younger and didn't want to go carrying my passport around with me.

Victor · 28-01-2010 05:19AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Do kids get I-ded (how do you say that?) at cinemas?

IDed? Now half as much as they should.

homerun_homer · 28-01-2010 12:41PM

Who gives a crap, this film looks like it's going to be one of the best of 2010. Hit Girl is cool.

Kids with guns, who is at fault - the parents/society? Films are just an easy target. A kid can't go buy a gun, but if they can easily pick one up in their home because their parents have it in a drawer then there is noone else to blame but the parents.

"Oooooh the Matrix is at fault for the Columbine shootings!!" - Shag off.

Asmodean · 28-01-2010 12:50PM

Ah look now to be honest if a kid is 'Motivated' by a film to grab a handgun and run onto the streets shooting people chances are they were always going to do it no matter what media 'influenced' them. I grew up watching violent films / playing violent computer games etc etc ( I know technically I shouldn't have because I was underage ) and I grew up absolutely fine! TBH I think it actually helped my imagination / mind to develop more because I wasn't blinkered with an oversaturation to 'Kid friendly' sources of media.

The laughably ironic outcome of the PC brigade kicking up a storm over these things means that the product in question is getting millions of pounds of free publicity with all these shenanigans.

In all fairness a hell of a lot of people aren't going to see this trailer and think " Oh good Lord how terribly impressionable on the youth of today to have children portrayed as crime fighting vigilantes." They are going to say " Wow that looks sort of unique and interesting, gotta go see it when it comes out."

pickarooney · 28-01-2010 02:17PM

Films like Blood Diamond, you mean?

CrazyRabbit · 28-01-2010 06:02PM

Anyone who has a problem with this movie has a hard time telling the difference between reality and fantasy.

The same people who won't go swimming in the ocean for months after seeing a Jaws movie, or who won't go into dark rooms for fear of a serial killer lurking in the shadow.

Who cares what this fictional character does in a fictional universe created for entertainment. It's not real.

TPD · 28-01-2010 06:19PM

For some people, it's a step too far. For others, it's not. Whoever thinks it is a step too far, don't watch it. Problem solved

xsiborg · 28-01-2010 06:23PM

what next?

"three men diddle a little lady", because its funny, in name of "entertainment"?

children with guns is not any way "funny" in any respect, much less a father taking pot shots at his daughter!

i hope this doesn't even go straight to DVD, but any hopes of en masse distribution are dashed thanks to the internet and video sharing sites!

im in no way a mary whitehouse advocate but is there no line we won't cross in the name of "entertainment"?

citizen_p · 28-01-2010 06:36PM

no its a movie ffs.....
get over it.

AnonoBoy · 28-01-2010 06:41PM

xsiborg wrote: »

what next?

"three men diddle a little lady", because its funny, in name of "entertainment"?

There's no mention of sexual abuse in the film so your jumping to that as the next step is just you being sensationalist.

children with guns is not any way "funny" in any respect, much less a father taking pot shots at his daughter!

In those clips, yes it is quite funny. It's called black comedy.

i hope this doesn't even go straight to DVD

Hope away. This film is going to do huge business.

im in no way a mary whitehouse advocate but is there no line we won't cross in the name of "entertainment"?

Some lines we shouldn't cross. Depicting a kid with a gun in a film for adults isn't one of those lines though.

The film will definitely get at least a 16+ and most likely a 18+ cert.

The kid uses the c word in one of those clips, that alone will probably guarantee a 16+ cert. And then there's the violence....

But yes I expect a Joe Duffy programme devoted to this as some idiot parents will ignore the certs and take their kids to it on the basis that it's a superhero film and "Joe, aren't all superhero films for the kids? And sure I'm too thick and f*cking lazy to do my job as a parent and supervise the films my kid watches so instead I'm going to be outraged after the fact and make a non-sensical argument using whatever sh*te logic comes into my head. Won't somebody think of the children????!!!!!"

Herbal Deity · 28-01-2010 06:51PM

xsiborg wrote: »

im in no way a mary whitehouse advocate but is there no line we won't cross in the name of "entertainment"?

No, there are no lines that shouldn't be crossed.

Fuck censorship.

Everyone has the choice not to view any film they think they might find distasteful.

The movie looks pretty crap tbh. And pretty tame compared to the likes of Battle Royale, which features gratuitous and gruesome children-on-children violence.

Oh, and if parents are going to get outraged over this movie, why, on the other hand, do they insist on giving their children (mainly their sons) toy knives, guns, soldiers etc.?

Nevyn · 28-01-2010 07:59PM

Child soliders do exist, child assains and child terrorists.
This is nothing new.

As for the movie being made of the anime Gunslinger girls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunslinger_Girl
I am looking forward to it.

minidazzler · 28-01-2010 08:04PM

That film looks AWESOME!! Thanks for showing it Biggins, I hadn't heard of it yet! Can't wait until it comes out!!!

xsiborg · 28-01-2010 08:05PM

ok, honestly i hadnt meant to be sensationalist, we obviously dont share the same sense of humor...

the movie looks a bit like spy kids with guns, the dialog is terrible, the acting looks like it was ripped from a manga movie plot, it's really just not my kind of film.

it will only be big business depending on how many people pay to choose to watch it, which remains to be seen. me personally im sure it'll have it's cult following but among mainstream movie go-ers? i couldn't imagine avatar or titanic proportions.

interview with the films starlet here:

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1630006/story.jhtml

interviewer made me cringe tbh!

and reading through this article made me feel like this film was made for the emo 4chan generation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick-Ass

i have nothing to worry about methinks...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1250777/

RIODEJ · 21-02-2010 11:32PM

I believe the media in europe are very irresponsible

I love a good action film but all this content isnt suitable for kids, thats why the world has got so violent, many people are very disrespectful to others in general.

Many films have content such as sex, bad language, sadistic acts, horror, rape. all done with intense special effects to make them look 100% real and often 100% acceptable.

Kids of 10/12 are watching this even when its rated 18. This has negative effects on the minds of kids and adults too. Kids and people learn new things from what they see

In sweden tv ads targeted at kids are not allowed. i think this is great, ads brainwashing kids with silly toys and sweets etc is unhealthy, then they go into a shop and drive their parents mad when they see a lolly pop that was glamourised on a tv ad. The media and adults in general need to be more responsible and not be always embracing the pollution of capitalism and greed

DamoDLK · 21-02-2010 11:41PM

Kinda like Stephanie from lazy town - well just gone a bit nuts..

TPD · 21-02-2010 11:47PM

RIODEJ wrote: »

I believe the media in europe are very irresponsible

I love a good action film but all this content isnt suitable for kids, thats why the world has got so violent, many people are very disrespectful to others in general.

Many films have content such as sex, bad language, sadistic acts, horror, rape. all done with intense special effects to make them look 100% real and often 100% acceptable.

Kids of 10/12 are watching this even when its rated 18. This has negative effects on the minds of kids and adults too. Kids and people learn new things from what they see

In sweden tv ads targeted at kids are not allowed. i think this is great, ads brainwashing kids with silly toys and sweets etc is unhealthy, then they go into a shop and drive their parents mad when they see a lolly pop that was glamourised on a tv ad. The media and adults in general need to be more responsible and not be always embracing the pollution of capitalism and greed

So the media are failing because the adults ignore the films age rating? Everyone should only be able to watch childrens films?

GTFO

Midnight_EG · 21-02-2010 11:55PM

Biggins wrote: »

Question: Is films with very young kids using guns/weapons a step too far?

There is a film coming out in April (Kick Ass) that is going to cause a serious crap load of debate. Why? Just see these two clips below!
Watch them then tell me what you think.
Seriously, it looks like a kick ass film (no pun intended) and according to some early reviews, the acting by most (especially the young girl) is outstanding.
See this review here for example:

Source: HERE

Anyway, the trailer...

Is this a step too far, just in the name of entertainment?

Poster:

Rarely is the question asked 'Is our kids learning?'. In this case, grammar.

Thanks Jorg Dubya!

kowloon · 22-02-2010 12:08AM

The film reminds me of the below clip. It's a little dodgy. You know there are people who look on it all in a different light.

Clip has NSFW language so I'm not embedding it.

RIODEJ · 22-02-2010 12:09AM

The Perfect Drug wrote: »

So the media are failing because the adults ignore the films age rating? Everyone should only be able to watch childrens films?

GTFO

I refer to the content kids have access/exposure to, tv, mags, porn, internet, violent films etc. It aint healthy for them.Its only in the last 10-20 years and is getting worse. Kids imitate what they see, kids see wrestling on tv, they try wrestling their classmates. so were does it end, teenagers see rape on tv, some of them may thing its acceptable, not only kids learn through imitation and what they see and read. The media are irresponsbile and are driven by money orientated greed. thats a fact

DamoDLK · 22-02-2010 12:19AM

RIODEJ wrote: »

I refer to the content kids have access/exposure to, tv, mags, porn, internet, violent films etc. It aint healthy for them.Its only in the last 10-20 years and is getting worse. Kids imitate what they see, kids see wrestling on tv, they try wrestling their classmates. so were does it end, teenagers see rape on tv, some of them may thing its acceptable, not only kids learn through imitation and what they see and read. The media are irresponsbile and are driven by money orientated greed. thats a fact

I agree in theory, but kids are very resourceful these days, if they want something, or want to see anything they will find a way! By the way I'm not saying that thats a good thing. Media/Cinema has pushed the boundaries over the years, the shock factor plays a major role in that, otherwise cinema would never have had developed over the last 50 years.

TPD · 22-02-2010 12:22AM

RIODEJ wrote: »

I refer to the content kids have access/exposure to, tv, mags, porn, internet, violent films etc. It aint healthy for them.Its only in the last 10-20 years and is getting worse. Kids imitate what they see, kids see wrestling on tv, they try wrestling their classmates. so were does it end, teenagers see rape on tv, some of them may thing its acceptable, not only kids learn through imitation and what they see and read. The media are irresponsbile and are driven by money orientated greed. thats a fact

Were you really that easily influenced as a child?

Anyway, the point is: There is a rating system in place, for parents to censor what their kids see. If a parent isn't up to the task of saying no to a child, the child will have more problems than any caused by watching unsuitable material.

Turtyturd · 22-02-2010 12:47AM

No its not a step too far, I don't think as a result of watching it any child is going to run out and pick up a gun. Children are more intelligent than people give them credit for and can actually tell the difference between what they see on a screen and real life. Kick-Ass is a stupid comic film to sit back and enjoy, hopefully it doesn't get bastardised treatment Wanted did.

kowloon · 22-02-2010 01:05AM

I'm sure even the kiddies though Wanted was crap.

Mushy · 22-02-2010 01:07AM

Is this a step too far?

Put things in context and its not bad, especially if not aimed at kids.

El Siglo · 22-02-2010 01:08AM

Children swearing is pretty funny, Nicholas Cage is alright. Probably won't go to see it in the cinema because I'm a cheap fupper!;)

Pride Fighter · 22-02-2010 01:31AM

I've seen battle royale so kids using weapons is not a step too far IMO.

G_R · 22-02-2010 01:35AM

im not reading through all the replies so apologies if i'm repeating things...

the trailer where Kick-Ass is swearing is a Red Band trailer, meaning not suitable for Kids, so that would suggest it'll be a 16's or 18's movie, so its for adults, not kids, therefore no problem i can see.

And yes Kids swearing and hurting them selves is funny

/thread

Nodin · 22-02-2010 09:53AM

RIODEJ wrote: »

I believe the media in europe are very irresponsible

I love a good action film but all this content isnt suitable for kids, thats why the world has got so violent, many people are very disrespectful to others in general.

Its True. Hitler invaded Poland after watching "Evil Dead". Fact.

RIODEJ wrote: »

Its only in the last 10-20 years and is getting worse

Yep, nothing happened before NOW. Now things happen that never happened before.

Is films with very young kids using guns/weapons a step too far?

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