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Is films with very young kids using guns/weapons a step too far?

  • 28-01-2010 01:58AM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭


    Question: Is films with very young kids using guns/weapons a step too far?

    There is a film coming out in April (Kick Ass) that is going to cause a serious crap load of debate. Why? Just see these two clips below!
    Watch them then tell me what you think.
    Seriously, it looks like a kick ass film (no pun intended) and according to some early reviews, the acting by most (especially the young girl) is outstanding.
    See this review here for example:
    Hit-Girl is going to make the Daily Mail schit kittens.

    The British tabloids will most likely have a field day with the character. They'll ignore the fact that her depiction is as much of a challenge to the sexualisation of any female icon by society, or that that she has the films' best scenes with her on-screen father Damon Macready (played lovingly by Nicolas Cage), which manage to be sweet, endearing and blackly comic.
    I'd already heard that Chloe Moretz is a revelation as Hit-Girl/Mindy Macready, but I had no idea exactly how fantastic her performance would be. She plays the young daughter with the same adeptness that she portrays the superhero assassin and, my god, is ‘assassin' the word. The problem is she's 12. Just her age raises an issue, but her performance is a work of perfection, never feeling mawkish or twee, and will call upon a thousand comparisons (and rightly so) to Natalie Portman in Leon. There's still going to be quite a debate arising from her performance, though.
    Source: HERE

    Anyway, the trailer...





    Is this a step too far, just in the name of entertainment?

    Poster: dfvy1w.jpg


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    kids swearing is so funny


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    kids swearing is so funny

    "Aaa... I'm just fcuking with you daddy"
    and
    "Ok you cnuts, lets see what you can do now!"
    Now that in a trailer from a supposedly appearing sweet 12 year old, I wasn't expecting! :pac:

    ...but still, the gun/weapons issue has me uneasy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Kid dressed up as super hero, swearing, using guns, fights bad guys.



    EPIC WIN!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    It already has "sequel" running through it! :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Local-womanizer


    Inevitably their will be people who will give out sh1te about it,how it will have kids out on the streets with hand-guns and stuff.

    But it is a black comedy,intended for adults. Cant really see a problem with it.

    At first I thought it would be highlighting the plight of child-soldiers around the world,but I was way off!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Captain_Generic


    The kid getting shot was a bit disturbing, but hey, its just a movie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    i am disturbed after watching that. but yes, kids swearing is funny.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    like bad santa, but for adults


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Biggins wrote: »
    Is films with kids using guns a step too far?

    .........her on-screen father Damon Macready (played lovingly by Nicolas Cage),

    To be honest I'd be more concerned about Nicolas Cage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭ToniTuddle


    Only problem I have is the whole purple hair thing. Don't like it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    kids swearing is so funny

    +1


    Me, Myself and Irene; when that little chick tells Charlie to fuck off...



    That was pretty cool.























    Way cooler when he stuck her face in a fountain though


    *eyelashes*

    :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    ToniTuddle wrote: »
    Only problem I have is the whole purple hair thing. Don't like it.

    Just think of it like lazytown with swearing...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ToniTuddle wrote: »
    Only problem I have is the whole purple hair thing. Don't like it.

    The characters are based on a series of comics and how they were portrayed in them.

    15fqf6p.jpg

    14ca98j.jpg

    and in the film (when not in disguise):

    sd1sut.jpg

    2ebebnb.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭ToniTuddle


    Biggins wrote: »
    The characters are based on a series of comics and how they were portrayed in them.


    Ahhh I get you now.

    What rating will this film have when it hits the cinemas?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    Abigayle wrote: »
    +1


    Me, Myself and Irene; when that little chick tells Charlie to fuck off...



    That was pretty cool.























    Way cooler when he stuck her face in a fountain though


    *eyelashes*

    :pac:


    yeah forgot about me, myself and irene

    'the names hank, fuckface':D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ToniTuddle wrote: »
    Ahhh I get you now.
    What rating will this film have when it hits the cinemas?
    In Ireland, I'm assuming/guessing 16+ (very open to be wrong).

    For the record, I'm looking forward to seeing it myself - but as a parent of four young kids, am I compromising my ethical and moral principles for the sake of sheer entertainment?
    Its a (daft?) internal battle that keeps knocking at the door of my conscience.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Biggins wrote: »
    In Ireland, I'm assuming/guessing 16+ (very open to be wrong).

    For the record, I'm looking forward to seeing it myself - but as a parent of four young kids, am I compromising my ethical and moral principles for the sake of sheer entertainment?
    Its a (daft?) internal battle that keeps knocking at the door of my conscience.
    Understandable. :) You hardly want you're daughter turning around and laughingly saying "ah I'm just fúcking with you daddy"

    Then again it depends on how you're own are influenced really with swear words being seen as funny and what not :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭lizardfudge


    The whole thing seems to be a sort of a piss take on the super hero genre.

    It's highlighting how strange it is for a characters like Batman to take on an orphan kid and train him to punch muggers in the face because of his own screwed up childhood.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I used to love Bugsy Malone as a kid and I turned out all right...


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    i am disturbed after watching that

    Nicolas cage has that affect on a lot of people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    WTF! was that? Totally unbelievable of course but I'd say it's a laugh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Is it just me or when the girl is in her costume did anybody get the impression of the riddler/joker/trent all in one :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    Dudess wrote: »
    I used to love Bugsy Malone as a kid and I turned out all right...

    so did gary glitter and look what happened to him


    i cant wait to see this, looks hilarious.
    i remember when bad santa came out it got a (then) 15's accompanied cert, there was murder when parents brought their kids to see it.

    favourite line from bad santa: 'what your my mom now, once you shat me out of your fucking womb'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    'City of God' features a lot of kids with guns. It's a harrowing story but well worth watching.. one of the best films I've ever seen - the documentary that comes with the DVD is even more disturbing as it's a 100% real life look at the gangland sh*t that still goes on in Rio de Janeiro to this day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    so did gary glitter and look what happened to him
    Oh well I... eh... hate it now.







    /throw out Bugsy Malone DVD


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    shes an actress, in an acting role, in a movie

    i fail to see the issue here?

    its pretend, and its for adults


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    That film looks like a load of rubbish. Nicolas cage is in it ffs.

    Kids using profanities and guns in films? I see nothing wrong with it to be honest, as long as other kids don't get to see it, as in the certificate should be 15.

    Many kids do swear and some do use guns. Good producers/directors will portray this on screen to achieve realism etc. With regards this film? There is no realism. The kid is swearing and using a gun as purely a novelty. It's a gimmick.

    Shows like the Wire show youngsters swearing and shooting each other dead to convey reality, the reality of many youngster's lives in American inner cities. I have no problem with it occuring here at all. It's not simply being done as a gimmick to get people to watch the show but rather to as I said, convey realism and create a realistic tv show.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    The trailer looks good - very Japanese. Shame about Cage being in it though.. he past his sell by date after "Raising Arizona".

    As for kids with guns? If they can shoot that well, bring it on!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,926 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    K4t wrote: »
    Kids using profanities and guns in films? I see nothing wrong with it to be honest, as long as other kids don't get to see it, as in the certificate should be 15.
    A 15 cert is "15 accompanied".

    http://www.ifco.ie/website/ifco/ifcoweb.nsf/web/15pgguidelines?OpenDocument&type=graphic
    15A

    Films classified in this category are considered to be suitable for those of fifteen and upwards. They may also be seen by younger children provided a parent or adult guardian accompanies them.

    Depending on the actual content of the rest of the film, I would think at least 16.

    http://www.ifco.ie/website/ifco/ifcoweb.nsf/web/16guidelines?OpenDocument&type=graphic
    16

    Films classified in this category are considered to be suitable for persons of sixteen or over. Children under this age cannot be admitted to cinemas.


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