M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning decision pending]

kiwipower · 13-11-2009 12:47pm

Chris_533976 wrote: »

Would this work in Galway? If they put some rental things in the suburbs and made it practical to commute on them then this would be more successful than any bus expansion.

Although the Seamus Quirke road bus lanes will be the single most important public transport development in Galway ever. It'll hugely increase the reliability and attractiveness of the Red Buses and the 4 and 5 BE buses.

Bikes could work in Galway but need Irish Rail on board! I want to commute from Limerick to Galway by train then cycle to the hospital. But guess what I cant bring my bike on the train! (Thats if the train ever makes it from the limerick station to the galway station!) Also on street parking would need to be looked at. Some roads (like Marys Road, where I was knocked of my cycle last year and spent 6weeks on sick leave) should have a ban on on street parking during peek hours. (Ie 0745 to 1000 and 14:30 to 19:00 week days.) This would allow for cycle lanes during these times and make it safer around the schools and local residents could still park there vehicles over night and on weekends! Also stop them parents parking on the curb. Why cant the local schools use the Boys school as a drop and go point?

?Cee?view · 13-11-2009 12:53pm

1. Before Irish Rail "upgraded" their rolling stock, you could bring your bike. Now that they've no guard's carriage, you can't. I agree completely, a little joined up thinking is needed.

2. There needs to be significantly more Clearways in Galway (properly enforced) and those that are already in exitense need to be strenuously enforced. I suspect that most drivers don't even know what a Clearway is! Taxis seem to stop in them at any time.

Sponge Bob · 01-12-2009 12:13pm

Things were quite for a while but we now have one of the premier Galway Screechy environmentalists on the case.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/9938-bypass-flood-warning-slammed-premature

Basically it was the M6 motorway what flooded Ballinasloe and not the highest November rainfall on record according to An Taisce .

Mr Hambleton said that there were “lessons to be learned” from the impact of the new M6 motorway as it passed over the River Suck in Ballinasloe and warned of similar effects if the outer bypass project ever went ahead in the city.

As for the Galway Bypass

THE Galway branch of environmental watchdog group, An Taisce, claimed yesterday that the proposed City Outer Bypass could lead to disastrous flooding in the suburbs of the city

Hambleton evidently knows as much about hydrology as a dog does about his father

This new bypass, if ever built, would pass through the flooded village of Menlo, before crossing over the River Corrib to divide and ‘de-water’ the Tonabrocky and Moycullen bog complex.

How can you dewater a bloody bog

KevR · 01-12-2009 12:23pm

Was just going to post about that.

Disgraceful that they are using the recent floods (in which some people's lives were ruined) to try and get people against the bypass.

Sponge Bob · 01-12-2009 12:31pm

KevR wrote: »

Disgraceful that they are using the recent floods (in which some people's lives were ruined) to try and get people against the bypass.

They are essentially sociopathic . Even an taisce itself has not carried the story on their website given the unsound and unfounded accusations made.

Which bit of record November rainfall do these people not understand and that includes thick journos working for the sentinel who normally spend their time covering drunk and disorderlies on a monday morning

An Taisce THEMSELVES carried THIS last week

http://www.antaisce.org/News/AnTaisceRelatedNewsReleases/tabid/262/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/103/Heavy-rains-part-of-new-weather-pattern.aspx

CLIMATE CHANGE: THE SERIES of “massive” rain belts across Connacht this week are a foretaste of new weather patterns due to climate change, an NUI Galway lecturer has said.

Kieran Hickey, lecturer in geography, said it had been at least 20 to 30 years since there had been such a combination of heavy, highly intense and prolonged rainfall in the west.

“Whereas such an occurrence back then would be described as unusual, this is the pattern that we are going to see more of due to climate change,” he said.

Dr Hickey, who is author of Five Minutes to Midnight? Ireland and Climate Change, said warmer atmospheres tend to hold more moisture.

Over the past century, the north and west have recorded more days with heavier rain but there has been no clear pattern of change elsewhere on the island.

He quoted a recent study which found that there were 15 to 20 per cent increases in rainfall along the west coast, with smaller increases elsewhere and no marked change in Dublin’s rainfall over the past 40 years.

“An exacerbating factor in terms of how we cope is the number of housing estates built on flood plains since the last serious flooding in this region,” Dr Hickey said. “Flood plains by their nature relieve excess water, and we’ve built on them in spite of the evidence,” he added.

Weather expert Frank Gaffney said this week’s rainfall, with just over 60mm falling in Galway on Tuesday alone, is the heaviest for November since he began keeping records in 1966.

?Cee?view · 01-12-2009 1:03pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Even an taisce itself has not carried the story on their website given the unsound and unfounded accusations made.

Have you some inside knowledge that that's true?

An Taisce at one time was quite a reputable organisation in Galway, but now it's gone beyond a joke. If something could be done to get an Taisce to silence or remove Hambleton it would do a lot of good for Galway and, incidentally, for An Taisce.

It's like he's hardwired just to object to everything. There is a total lack of feeling or empathy for the effect that statements and actions have on others.

I also cannot understand how he chooses to ignore that Galway would have been completely cut off were it not for the section of the M6 which was opened temporarily. He also conveniently ignored that the M6 has specifially designed to deal with flooding issues. Attenuation resevoirs are specically provided and would quite clearly have to be provided on the bypass.

As usual, Hambleton never lets facts get in the way of his hysteria.

Sponge Bob · 01-12-2009 1:08pm

churchview wrote: »

Have you some inside knowledge that that's true?

Hysterical and ill founded statement issued to tribune monday , not on an taisce website tuesday.

Chris_533976 · 01-12-2009 7:01pm

Funny how none of them mention that it was the unfinished M6 that stopped Galway from getting completely cut off from the rest of the country??

If the roads from South, North and East flooded (which they did) and the M6 wasnt there, how long would it take for Galway to run out of food? Sounds crazy and armageddonish, but where would Galway get its food from if it cant be brought in by truck or rail?

?Cee?view · 01-12-2009 7:06pm

It's not a bit crazy.

There was a short while, before the M6 opened, that the only way out or in was by air. Now, I don't know where the flooding was at Carnmore, but maybe the airport was blocked as well?

I really believe that the people/company who arranged that the M6 open at such short notice deserve great credit.

Sponge Bob · 01-12-2009 7:07pm

Chris_533976 wrote: »

where would Galway get its food from if it cant be brought in by truck or rail?

Tea Clippers , if the morons in Galway an taisce were to get their way

?Cee?view · 01-12-2009 7:11pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Tea Clippers , if the morons in Galway an taisce were to get their way

They'd object to Tea Clippers on the basis that allowing them into the docks would be a change of use requiring planning

Hambleton is already objecting to the redevelopment of Galway Docks (very badly needed) and one of his grounds is that Galway lacks the appropriate road infrastructure.

And the Galway Bypass?....is that a road?....is that Infrastructure?:rolleyes:

veryangryman · 21-12-2009 4:48pm

Just been lookin at the plans for the bypass

No N17 junction? What the flip? :eek:

Someone enlighten me?

L1011 · 21-12-2009 5:25pm

veryangryman wrote: »

Just been lookin at the plans for the bypass

No N17 junction? What the flip? :eek:

Someone enlighten me?

It'll be the R3xx by the time the GCOB gets built; thats the justification.

Is it sensible? No.

Chris_533976 · 21-12-2009 7:06pm

Is it sensible? No. But the only reason its not there is to stop people coming off the bypass and ploughing north to Claregalway. The aim is to force them to use the M17.

Now if the M17 was closer to Galway rather than out by Athenry it mightnt be so bad.

kiwipower · 23-12-2009 12:52pm

Am a bit confused. Is the Galway bypass going ahead? If so when? Where can you find the plans for it?

kiwipower · 23-12-2009 1:14pm

Also wondering is there any plan to increase the size of the Seamus Quirke Road to DC standard as far as the Western Distributor? I would think if they done this with a overbridge were it crosses the Newcastle Road and an upgrade of the Terrylands and Headford roundabout you could easy Galway traffic considerable.

Would personally remove lights on Terryland or replace with orange and red arrows only at the enterence to the roundabout. Not physically within the roundabout!

Also think the lanes on and off the roundabout could be better designed for ease of use!

dubhthach · 23-12-2009 1:23pm

kiwipower wrote: »

Also wondering is there any plan to increase the size of the Seamus Quirke Road to DC standard as far as the Western Distributor? I would think if they done this with a overbridge were it crosses the Newcastle Road and an upgrade of the Terrylands and Headford roundabout you could easy Galway traffic considerable.

Would personally remove lights on Terryland or replace with orange and red arrows only at the enterence to the roundabout. Not physically within the roundabout!

Also think the lanes on and off the roundabout could be better designed for ease of use!

It was planned to widen the Seamus Quirke road to dual carriageway, they basically got planning permision for it from what i recall. However it's never going to happen apart from maybe widening it to have seperate bus lanes each way.

kiwipower · 23-12-2009 1:53pm

dubhthach wrote: »

It was planned to widen the Seamus Quirke road to dual carriageway, they basically got planning permision for it from what i recall. However it's never going to happen apart from maybe widening it to have seperate bus lanes each way.

Well thats pure narrow mindedness for your! would there not be enough room for DC and a single bus lane? They could always be very cleaver and bring busess around the back of the westside shopping centre. It would be closer to the estates as well that way!

dubhthach · 23-12-2009 4:03pm

kiwipower wrote: »

Well thats pure narrow mindedness for your! would there not be enough room for DC and a single bus lane? They could always be very cleaver and bring busess around the back of the westside shopping centre. It would be closer to the estates as well that way!

Well I'm in favour of dual carriageway thankfully when I was living in Galway I hardly ever had to go that way during rush hour. As regards dual carriageway and extra bus lane each way. Well I don't know if they have enough land. The widening was to be done in the land the corpo already own (the strip along the Dunnes stores side). Wether they be able to fit a dual-carriageway plus 2 bus lanes into this I don't know.
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DanielI · 23-12-2009 7:22pm

The Bye-Laws will be implemented from 1st February 2010.

antoobrien · 24-12-2009 4:42pm

kiwipower wrote: »

Am a bit confused. Is the Galway bypass going ahead? If so when? Where can you find the plans for it?

The plans that APB have ruled on are available on the Galway City Council Bypass project website. I believe that there are plans to put the eastern half (including the bridge) to tender next year(2010).

There were 4 proposed alternate routes outlined for the second half (I believe they have been discussed earlier in the thread).

And as far as I'm aware there's an appeal to Europe on at least part of it (which hopefully Máire Geoghegan-Quinn will have some influence on and get it and get it quashed so we can start to have a suitable infrastructure in the west).

?Cee?view · 25-01-2010 6:03pm

This (below) is on the Galway News website, and it cites Galway Bay FM as the source. Granted, neither are exactly Reuters! but does anyone have any detail on this news? It seems that the nutter Sweetman is still pushing ahead.

SUPREME COURT APPEAL LIKELY AGAINST OUTER CITY BYPASS

January 22, 2010 - 12:30pm A supreme court appeal is anticipated against An Bord Pleanala's decision to grant part of the outer city bypass in Galway.
Peter Sweetman lost a High court challenge last October against the bypass.
An order on the High Court judgement is expected to be made next week, before the decision can be appealed.

ei.sdraob · 25-01-2010 8:07pm

http://www.galway.ie/en/Services/RoadsTransportation/RoadProjects/n6_outer/intermap.htm

thanks for the link, very interesting i hope we get a proper road around galway...

mysterious · 25-01-2010 8:51pm

Can't they not just build another bridge upstream and tie it onto the exiting bypass. The existing bypass seems pointless if the other bypass goes ahead. The problem is the Headford road and all traffic funnelling onto the Quisential bridge however you spell it, cant be bothered to find the correct spelling.

Sponge Bob · 25-01-2010 9:10pm

mysterious wrote: »

Can't they

No!

?Cee?view · 25-01-2010 9:22pm

mysterious wrote: »

Can't they not just build another bridge upstream and tie it onto the exiting bypass. The existing bypass seems pointless if the other bypass goes ahead. The problem is the Headford road and all traffic funnelling onto the Quisential bridge however you spell it, cant be bothered to find the correct spelling.

Ever hear of Kingston Road, Bishop O'Donnell Road, Knocknacarra, Barna, Spiddal, Cois Fharraige? All of these need the bypass now.

And what "existing bypass" are you talking about? If you mean the road of which the Quincentennial bridge is part, how exactly is it a bypass if it goes through residential areas of the City, the vast majority of which were already well settled when the bridge was built?

L1011 · 25-01-2010 9:44pm

mysterious wrote: »

The existing bypass seems pointless if the other bypass goes ahead.

The "existing bypass" is S4, and infested with roundabouts. Its effectively a distributor road. It hasn't functioned as a bypass for as long as I've been legally old enough to drive.

The bridge isn't the problem - its the undersized and overly frequent roundabouts which are the cause of the up to hour long delays to go from one side of the city to the other. More than once I've spent 90 minutes getting from Barna to Oranmore.

murphaph · 25-01-2010 10:06pm

I think you can only appeal to the Supreme court on points of law, ie, they can say the High Court was legally wrong to do x, but cannot just overturn a decision of the High Court unless it was a legally incorrect thing to do.

mysterious · 26-01-2010 2:37am

MYOB wrote: »

The "existing bypass" is S4, and infested with roundabouts. Its effectively a distributor road. It hasn't functioned as a bypass for as long as I've been legally old enough to drive.

The bridge isn't the problem - its the undersized and overly frequent roundabouts which are the cause of the up to hour long delays to go from one side of the city to the other. More than once I've spent 90 minutes getting from Barna to Oranmore.

Well the New N6 link removes a few.

Sponge Bob · 26-01-2010 2:56am

mysterious wrote: »

Well the New N6 link removes a few.

Between Oranmore and Barna it removes 1 or 0 (depending), buy a map willya

M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning decision pending]

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