Do you believe in aliens?

lugha · 02-01-2010 08:13PM

king-stew wrote: »

Why not???

Well there are only two options, defo yes and defo no. Definitely yes is definitely silly so all that's left me is no.

Whether there definitely is or is not other life, they definitely don't come a calling the way many folk think they do and they don't kidnap us to perform intergalactic hanky panky with us either.

julien05 · 02-01-2010 08:13PM

wheres the proof and the youtube videos all i can find on youtube is youngones strutting their stuff. whats the big secret where are the aliens?

My name is URL · 02-01-2010 08:29PM

Definitly not.

king-stew wrote: »

Why do you doubt that? I wouldnt be surprised if theres hundreds of different civilisations much more advanced than us! If you need any proof humans are the perfect example, if we can produce what we have with only the things we have found on this planet why couldnt anything else? And their planets probably have different substances and elements on it so therefore the potential for completely different technologies!

Well if they do exist and are more advanced than us then the chances of them contacting us increases exponentially, as do the chances of them destroying themselves, yet SETI have not detected any signal from alien sources in over 50 years of 'listening'.. surely if other civilizations existed we'd have had some degree of evidence by now..

then there's the Fermi Paradox...

jd007 · 02-01-2010 09:01PM

This proves aliens are real!

/thread

jd007 · 02-01-2010 09:02PM

julien05 wrote: »

wheres the proof and the youtube videos all i can find on youtube is youngones strutting their stuff. whats the big secret where are the aliens?

Child porn?

ScumLord · 02-01-2010 09:14PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Oh course there is alien life. It quite probably is just micro-organisms, but there is little doubt it exists.

I don't know why this would be the assumption considering all the set backs life on earth has had. If there was a planet out there that developed at the same rate as ours but didn't get hit by giant asteroids they could be seen to be potentially millions of years ahead of life on this planet. Although it's always been the set backs and disasters that drove evolution on.

dannydiamond · 02-01-2010 09:22PM

It makes no sense no to.

julien05 · 02-01-2010 09:26PM

yea child porn at its best and they are making it themselves..sweet maybe theres already a load of aliens living here with us and thats what them hollywood cnts were trying to say ,well we already knew

laugh · 02-01-2010 09:35PM

Definitly not.

We need FTL travel, get to work monkeys.

4leto · 02-01-2010 09:43PM

There is life out there its probably teeming with it, but is there intelligent life I doubt it if so it is rare. This perfect stablish hospitable world of ours perfect for high multi cellular organisms only once in 4.5 billion years was intelligence selected as an evolutionary advantage, but what an advantage.

chopperbyrne · 02-01-2010 09:47PM

Definitly not.

Of course there is more life in the universe and almost certainly there is more intelligent life too.

Quite possibly more advanced than ourselves too.

ashyle · 02-01-2010 09:51PM

Definitly not.

Aliens I don't believe in, not the Hollywood variety anyway. But life on other planets, yeah I do. It seems highly presumptious and unfair to assume Earth is the only planet that can support biological organisms.

4leto · 02-01-2010 09:58PM

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Of course there is more life in the universe and almost certainly there is more intelligent life too.

Quite possibly more advanced than ourselves too.

What gives you that assumption, look at our own planet, billions of species have lived here but only one became intelligent, look at the world away we are from our closest intelligent animal on this planet, our intellect may be very unique. How we got it too is a freakish bunch of coincidence we really should not be here. But the dice rolled and landed all the right conditions, we are freaks of nature. I doubt it could happen again anywhere.

ashyle · 02-01-2010 10:04PM

Definitly not.

4leto, you are right, if any of the conditions had been different at the big bang/creation of the universe (or whatever you call it :P) we wouldn't exist, at least not in the same way! But the universe is pretty much infinite and our knowledge is so little - we know more about the centre of the sun than we know about the deepest part of the oceans on Earth for example! - that it's crazy to think we are alone in existance!!

4leto · 02-01-2010 10:12PM

ashyle wrote: »

4leto, you are right, if any of the conditions had been different at the big bang/creation of the universe (or whatever you call it :P) we wouldn't exist, at least not in the same way! But the universe is pretty much infinite and our knowledge is so little - we know more about the centre of the sun than we know about the deepest part of the oceans on Earth for example! - that it's crazy to think we are alone in existance!!

But we are not alone, we share this world and perhaps the universe with infinite amount of species, but with our level of intellect that would be truly rare. If the laws of physics are the same across the universe so are the laws of biology and evolution, its doubtful it could happen again. This is it and we are it in a universe of evolved radiation.

MaybeLogic · 02-01-2010 10:16PM

4leto wrote: »

What gives you that assumption, look at our own planet, billions of species have lived here but only one became intelligent, look at the world away we are from our closest intelligent animal on this planet, our intellect may be very unique. How we got it too is a freakish bunch of coincidence we really should not be here. But the dice rolled and landed all the right conditions, we are freaks of nature. I doubt it could happen again anywhere.

Or Aliens came down during one of our last evolutionary phases to give us a helping hand.
A possibility.

Agricola · 02-01-2010 10:17PM

Definitly not.

4leto wrote: »

What gives you that assumption, look at our own planet, billions of species have lived here but only one became intelligent, look at the world away we are from our closest intelligent animal on this planet, our intellect may be very unique. How we got it too is a freakish bunch of coincidence we really should not be here. But the dice rolled and landed all the right conditions, we are freaks of nature. I doubt it could happen again anywhere.

Well considering the mind boggling number of galaxies that exist and the multiply mind boggling number of stars that they each contain, id say its far from an impossibility that another species on another planet could develop to the level of humans, or even surpass them.

Personally I think Gene Roddenberry is onto something. The universe is probably a vast, largely empty place but here and there where the right conditions for life exist, there are numerous lifeforms present. Everything from planets of primordial soup like early earth, right up to species who are possibly much more technologically advanced than ourselves. The great distances involved probably mean we'll always believe ourselves to be unique.

unreggd · 02-01-2010 10:20PM

Definitly not.

The way I see it, the sun is a star, so every star in the sky could be a sun, all with their own solar systems

I agree that its a bit of a fluke that earth > humans were formed, but as space is infinite
[something I just can't comprehend :P]
several human-like species would still be an irrelevant
0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000000000001 chance

ya-ba-da-ba-doo · 02-01-2010 10:21PM

Definitly not.

The universe contains millions and millions of galaxies, inside of them there's billions of stars which mostly contain a set of planets. chances are theres more than one of the billions of planets out there that has suitable conditions for life.

Lets say 1 in every billion stars has a planet with suitable conditions for life, that still leaves hundreds, even thousands, of planets with suitable conditions for life. Out of these planets i highly doubt it's just us. I'd say it's a near certainty that there's other intellegent life out there and it's only a matter of time until we, or they, come accross eachother.

MaybeLogic · 02-01-2010 10:21PM

unreggd wrote: »

I agree that its a bit of a fluke that earth > humans were formed, but as space is infinite [something I just can't comprehend :P] several human-like species would still be an irrelavant 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 chance

I think you missed a zero,there.

opinion guy · 02-01-2010 10:24PM

king-stew wrote: »

*lets assume that all the sh1t after hours jokes have been said already, my ma has been insulted and the 2nd poster got loads of thanks and perhaps we can have a real discussion now, woohoo!*

**Ahem**

Mary Harney.

That is all

ashyle · 02-01-2010 10:27PM

Definitly not.

4leto wrote: »

But we are not alone, we share this world and perhaps the universe with infinite amount of species, but with our level of intellect that would be truly rare. If the laws of physics are the same across the universe so are the laws of biology and evolution, its doubtful it could happen again. This is it and we are it in a universe of evolved radiation.

Oh yea, by 'we' I mean earth and its creatures :P I didn't mean that I believe there's human-like organisms out there, I mean like bacteria, stuff on a cellular level maybe!

Hal1 · 02-01-2010 10:32PM

Definitly not.

It's arrogant and ignorant to think we are the only lifeforms in the vacuum of space, it doesn't appear to end you know

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bleg · 02-01-2010 10:33PM

I have no evidence that ETs exist.

I do think however that it is statistically probable that they do.

4leto · 02-01-2010 10:36PM

Our sun is a star but a remarkable stable one it give very much a constant output we have 4 gas giants to protect us from meteor impacts we should not have any. The universe is 14 billion years old Life on Earth is about from its onset 4 billion year old. Our level of intellect probably happened after the Toba eruption when art start to appear 75 thousand years ago. So our very hospitable planet got an intelligent capable of tele comms once, even if the equation is infinite the chance are still very much zero we may be alone.

This the drake equation which suggests life exists elsewhere does not factor in evolution because that equation would be to complex. As for aliens giving us a helping hand now why would they do that.

N = N[SIZE=+1]*[/SIZE] f[SIZE=+1]p[/SIZE] n[SIZE=+1]e[/SIZE] f[SIZE=+1]l[/SIZE] f[SIZE=+1]i[/SIZE] f[SIZE=+1]c[/SIZE] f[SIZE=+0]L
[/SIZE]

ashyle · 02-01-2010 10:37PM

Definitly not.

you're bringing too many smarts into this :P

4leto · 02-01-2010 10:45PM

ashyle wrote: »

you're bringing too many smarts into this :P

I apologise I shall dumb it down do you think the aliens will appreciate gods only son dying here on a cross to save us. Or will they Independence day us for that.

ashyle · 02-01-2010 10:51PM

Definitly not.

4Leto - Ah here have I said anything like that?? I find this type of discussion about the infinite scope of our Universe enthralling so bringing formulae into it to disprove stuff is no fun for me!!

Pineapple_Boi · 02-01-2010 10:54PM

I always lol at Atheists who believe in aliens. These same guys who dismiss God on lack of evidence

Sure there might be aliens since we havn't looked everywhere in the universe but there's not a single shred of evidence that they actually exist.

the only 'proof' is grainy edited videos of a few burnt crash-test dummies.

as for intelligent life, i dont believe there is any worth mentioning on this planet so what hope does any other planet have?

NoQuarter · 02-01-2010 11:02PM

Definitly not.

My name is URL wrote: »

Well if they do exist and are more advanced than us then the chances of them contacting us increases exponentially, as do the chances of them destroying themselves, yet SETI have not detected any signal from alien sources in over 50 years of 'listening'.. surely if other civilizations existed we'd have had some degree of evidence by now..
..

I wouldnt agree with that, I think in the short span of time that humans will exist for, the universe is far too vast for us to be contacted, it is possible but highly unlikely in my opinion. That would call on a need for a civilisation a fair bit more advanced than ourselves to be in a close proximity to our planet, which could still be light years away!

Good point on destroying themselves though!

4leto wrote: »

There is life out there its probably teeming with it, but is there intelligent life I doubt it if so it is rare. This perfect stablish hospitable world of ours perfect for high multi cellular organisms only once in 4.5 billion years was intelligence selected as an evolutionary advantage, but what an advantage.

Id like to think there is a higher chance than you think! If there are 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone, with(just to take any number) 5 planets orbiting each star, and then who knows how many galaxies, I think there is a VERY good chance of AT LEAST 1 (and im being conservative) race as advanced as our own. Very exciting to imagin what they could be like! But a pity humans probably wont be around to find out! (and i certainly wont

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ashyle wrote: »

Aliens I don't believe in, not the Hollywood variety anyway. But life on other planets, yeah I do. It seems highly presumptious and unfair to assume Earth is the only planet that can support biological organisms.

I agree, but why not go so far as to say there could well be the hollywood variety out there?? Its quite possibly looking at the statistics or the universe, ie, the sheer number of suns out there perhaps with their own planets! Anyone seen avatar lately? Possible... probable?

ya-ba-da-ba-doo wrote: »

I'd say it's a near certainty that there's other intellegent life out there and it's only a matter of time until we, or they, come accross eachother.

I agree, but I dont think humans have that much time, not enough to advance to the stage where we can exit our solar system, much less enter others and search, and find, others! Pity though.

4leto wrote: »

I apologise I shall dumb it down do you think the aliens will appreciate gods only son dying here on a cross to save us. Or will they Independence day us for that.

Oh damn youve gone and said it!

Do you believe in aliens?

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