2010

SRFC90 · 22-12-2009 1:50am #1

Could this be the year that electronic/dance music pushes to the forefront of mainstream music? With hip-hop already beginning to walk the green mile, and artists like Lady Gaga wetting the mainstream's appetite for electronic music (albeit horribly cheap and generic), will the release of the big three's (Daft Punk, The Chemical Brothers, and Justice) new albums early next year be enough to push the genre into the spotlight?

Just wanted to hear some thoughts about this as this is a question that has been dancing around my mind for a while. I really think that this upcoming decade is going to be more important to the genre than even the 90's were.

gavkm27 · 22-12-2009 8:10am

With all the new Indie Dance/Nu Disco and some of the commercial Dubstep it is becoming more accessaible to alot of folk

stomprockin · 22-12-2009 10:40am

If 2009 is anything to go by,i would say yes.09 has been so healthy right across the board in all types of dance music so roll on 2010!!:D

insert-gear · 22-12-2009 11:00am

Whether its a good thing or not I'd say it's definitely heading that way. It might be nice for people to have a little more of a clue and not assume that I listen to dush dush dush drug music

Four-Percent · 22-12-2009 11:58am

insert-gear wrote: »

Whether its a good thing or not I'd say it's definitely heading that way. It might be nice for people to have a little more of a clue and not assume that I listen to dush dush dush drug music

Yeah exactly! Nothing worse than hearing someone declare an interest in the Daft Punk's remix of Harder Better Faster Stronger when I say I like electronic music...

jonny68 · 22-12-2009 12:27pm

SRFC90 wrote: »

Could this be the year that electronic/dance music pushes to the forefront of mainstream music? With hip-hop already beginning to walk the green mile, and artists like Lady Gaga wetting the mainstream's appetite for electronic music (albeit horribly cheap and generic), will the release of the big three's (Daft Punk, The Chemical Brothers, and Justice) new albums early next year be enough to push the genre into the spotlight?

Just wanted to hear some thoughts about this as this is a question that has been dancing around my mind for a while. I really think that this upcoming decade is going to be more important to the genre than even the 90's were.

I can only speak for myself but i hate the mainstream and commercialism in general and i wouldn't like to see dance music in the charts, tripe like "Lady Ga Ga" shouldn't even be considered as dance music, it's rubbish pop music with a few clicks and some beats, i cringe when i hear this type of crap!!

If some people want to see dance music in the charts then that is their perogative, but i always have and will always remain into dance music that is underground and not commercial.

Dance music needs to reinvent itself totally, the late 80's a lot of the 90's were the catalyst for what is around today but they are running out of ideas IMO.

Daroxtar · 23-12-2009 12:46am

Dance has had a few big explosions into the mainstream but it has always drifted back a bit again. We had the acid house/summer of love, we had the 90's/superstar Djs and all that happens is the record companies then push out a pile of sh!te that sounds similar to whatever hit captured peoples attention and in 6 months time people get sick of it and go back to listening to Shania fuking Twain or whatever pish they listen to and we wait for the next big thing.

Lady GaGa is just Madonna for people who are still young enough to be adopted by Madonna. As for LaRoux, Little Boots, Beyonce, Black Eyed Peas, Shakira, Britney and anyother sh!tebag who thinks they are producing Dance music...Just fuk off would ye? Its pop, nothing more. No edgieness, no rumbling bass lines, no bollock bursting kick drum, no breakdown that leaves you flailing like a photoepileptic in a thunderstorm, just cheezy muck with a well rehearsed dance routine. Its the fukin Marcarena or Whigfield.

So called dance music, i.e music that is deemed dance by mainstream audiences may be a bigger comercial success in the next year but i cant see how thats going to do anything to improve the quality of music we get to hear. It just means the radio gets filled with dung. Proper high quality electronic music will not get airplay and conversely those of us who want to listen to it will seek it outside of the airwaves.

The other big contributing factor to the explosions of dance music in the past was the drugs. Acid house got the first wave of ectasy and everyone was on the same buzz. The late 90's got Mitzis and everyone was on the same buzz. The drugs and music complimented each other. It was the same with acid and Psychadelic rock. It was probably the same with Speed and Jiving. Now theres cocaine and a vast array of designer drugs but its just pick'n'mix and a whole load of different vibes clashing. Until the next single drug emerges above the rest and inspires musicians in the same way then we'll be stuck with coked up fukwits dancing to David Guetta.

BigDaddyCan · 23-12-2009 1:37am

Daroxtar wrote: »

Dance has had a few big explosions into the mainstream but it has always drifted back a bit again. We had the acid house/summer of love, we had the 90's/superstar Djs and all that happens is the record companies then push out a pile of sh!te that sounds similar to whatever hit captured peoples attention and in 6 months time people get sick of it and go back to listening to Shania fuking Twain or whatever pish they listen to and we wait for the next big thing.

Lady GaGa is just Madonna for people who are still young enough to be adopted by Madonna. As for LaRoux, Little Boots, Beyonce, Black Eyed Peas, Shakira, Britney and anyother sh!tebag who thinks they are producing Dance music...Just fuk off would ye? Its pop, nothing more. No edgieness, no rumbling bass lines, no bollock bursting kick drum, no breakdown that leaves you flailing like a photoepileptic in a thunderstorm, just cheezy muck with a well rehearsed dance routine. Its the fukin Marcarena or Whigfield.

So called dance music, i.e music that is deemed dance by mainstream audiences may be a bigger comercial success in the next year but i cant see how thats going to do anything to improve the quality of music we get to hear. It just means the radio gets filled with dung. Proper high quality electronic music will not get airplay and conversely those of us who want to listen to it will seek it outside of the airwaves.

The other big contributing factor to the explosions of dance music in the past was the drugs. Acid house got the first wave of ectasy and everyone was on the same buzz. The late 90's got Mitzis and everyone was on the same buzz. The drugs and music complimented each other. It was the same with acid and Psychadelic rock. It was probably the same with Speed and Jiving. Now theres cocaine and a vast array of designer drugs but its just pick'n'mix and a whole load of different vibes clashing. Until the next single drug emerges above the rest and inspires musicians in the same way then we'll be stuck with coked up fukwits dancing to David Guetta.

i must say i agree with most of this

what i will say, i was watching a review recently with ellie jackson from la roux, and the question was put to her "do you think you are the future for dance/electronic music?" to which she replied "its pop music, thats it, were not super star djs, were just making pop music"

i will agree with all the other artists mentioned, i find it hard to believe that lady gaga will make much of an impact in 2010, people loved her at the start, she dressed like a gob****e, sang about sex but it was sellable to the younger generation, i reckon next year it will be a case of "thats totally 2009"

about "commercial dance music" i think the best electronic music is the underground stuff, where your in a club with people who genuinely love the music, not just there cos they want to be part of the scene...

on the note of drugs, i agree its totally flooded, if you go to any electronic event at the moment you get the group on coke, the group on k, group on MDMA and everyone else then, i reckon we need to decide what we want and stick to it

i think 2010 will be a great year for music though! i have mentioned to many friends recently the scene in Cork has certainly flourished in these recessionary times, people now want more for their buck, also people dont wanna hear about how much money some big black fella has!

xdeletiax · 23-12-2009 8:35pm

SRFC90 wrote: »

Could this be the year that electronic/dance music pushes to the forefront of mainstream music?

i really hope not. and i really dont think its possible. i think more than any other genre the motivation electronic music producers have for making music is non commercial. (apart from obvious, usually awful, exceptions) plus most electronic music is really hard to market. if you were first exposed to say, dubstep, on MTV you wouldnt really like it. a televisions audio system isnt suitable for listening to most dance music. i can definatly see dubstep gaining in popularity as cynical indie bands cash in on dubsteps cultural capital and commission dubstep producers to make dubstep remixs of their tracks. sometimes this works (la rouxs voice was perfect for a jungle/dubstep track) sometimes it doesnt (every remix that crookers guy has done pisses me off). the only way i can see any decent dance artists becoming popular is if they are hyped up by influencial bloggers/websites/ magazines the way animal collective were this year. justice are pretty popular but a lot of thats due to the fact that theyv put a lot of effort into a subtle but complex promotional system.

edbanger and other roudy labels have a nice niche market for boozed up students but thats as far as it will go really.

as for the chemical brothers, and im a huge fan, their fairly past it. their last two albums sounded like failed experiments to sound contempory made worse by hiring favours of the month to callaberate with. they need to retire for a few years until they come up with a few new ideas.

id say 2010 will be exactly like 2009, therel be tonnes of quality tunes being produced by artists who love music and having people show up to their gigs and have fun is a greater reward to them than a chart number or pics in magazines, etc etc. promoters like test industries, bodytonic, and others will continue to bring serious talent over for us to dance to. and bloc will be the best festival EVER.

empirix · 23-12-2009 8:41pm

SRFC90 wrote: »

Could this be the year that electronic/dance music pushes to the forefront of mainstream music? With hip-hop already beginning to walk the green mile, and artists like Lady Gaga wetting the mainstream's appetite for electronic music (albeit horribly cheap and generic), will the release of the big three's (Daft Punk, The Chemical Brothers, and Justice) new albums early next year be enough to push the genre into the spotlight?

Just wanted to hear some thoughts about this as this is a question that has been dancing around my mind for a while. I really think that this upcoming decade is going to be more important to the genre than even the 90's were.

Chemical brothers are well passed it, last few albums were terrible
Justice!!!! big three??
Daft Punk - cockmunchers
The prodigy - are the biggest and again last years album was rubbish
Perhaps Orbital might come up with something - again no decent albums in the last decade
Aphex Twin one be somebody i would keep an eye out for - usually releases original quality albums and he is now becoming more and more known!
Bring back Kraftwerk!

electrogrimey · 23-12-2009 8:56pm

vermonaman wrote: »

Daft Punk - cockmunchers

This statement makes me thing that either you're a troll, or you've no idea what you're talking about.

empirix · 23-12-2009 9:46pm

no their the trolls!

electrogrimey · 23-12-2009 11:29pm

vermonaman wrote: »

no their the trolls!

Scubadevils · 24-12-2009 12:10am

I would have thought that it did push to the front of mainstream music many years ago? Maybe with Madonna or someone singing over what would otherwise have been a strictly underground dance track, but the difference is the vocals and the singer.

brianc27 · 24-12-2009 10:32am

electrogrimey wrote: »

This statement makes me thing that either you're a troll, or you've no idea what you're talking about.

i agree with him, what exactly have daft punk done since about 1997, a couple of really **** albums, that marley park gig was complete sh*te as well, the pyramid looked class but musically it was horrendous, i think all that justifies a "cockmuncher" tag.

anyway 2010 will exactly the same as 2009, sh!t music in the charts, mediocre to really bad tracks being released in any specific genre with a couple of brilliant tracks to compensate

SteveDon · 24-12-2009 2:54pm

Have to agree, Daft Punk are crappppp, I despise Justice aswell, I just hate that French sound.

Really hope dance music stays underground, the amount of posers in techno clubs these days is baffling. Asking the dj for the latest Deadmau5 number and what not. I fear further popularity will only serve to evoke more of these types of punters.

electrogrimey · 24-12-2009 3:39pm

brianc27 wrote: »

i agree with him, what exactly have daft punk done since about 1997, a couple of really **** albums, that marley park gig was complete sh*te as well, the pyramid looked class but musically it was horrendous, i think all that justifies a "cockmuncher" tag.

I dunno what you were watching at Marley Park, because their Alive tour won Grammies, and it was the best gig I've ever seen. Your posts give the impression that you've no clue how to respect music.

SteveDon wrote: »

Have to agree, Daft Punk are crappppp

:rolleyes:

jonny68 · 24-12-2009 5:26pm

Daft Punk are brilliant and the filter French house sound is the business, some absolute quality over the years like, Dimitri From Paris too is brilliant.

djfilthmonger · 24-12-2009 5:40pm

cant believe ye think Daft punk are crap?:eek:

brianc27 · 24-12-2009 10:21pm

electrogrimey wrote: »

I dunno what you were watching at Marley Park, because their Alive tour won Grammies, and it was the best gig I've ever seen. Your posts give the impression that you've no clue how to respect music.

:rolleyes:

i respect good music, daft punk havent produced anything good since homework FACT

so what if they won a grammy, coldplay won a grammy and they are really sh!t

your posts give me the impression that you like sh!t music

electrogrimey · 24-12-2009 10:24pm

brianc27 wrote: »

i respect good music, daft punk havent produced anything good since homework FACT

How is that fact? Saying fact doesn't make it fact, it's still opinion. Because I respect Daft Punk I like shit music? Nice logic.

brianc27 · 24-12-2009 10:26pm

electrogrimey wrote: »

How is that fact? Saying fact doesn't make it fact, it's still opinion. Because I respect Daft Punk I like shit music? Nice logic.

its just as logical as........

Your posts give the impression that you've no clue how to respect music

electrogrimey · 24-12-2009 10:40pm

brianc27 wrote: »

its just as logical as........

Your posts give the impression that you've no clue how to respect music

Declaring someone as shite with no reasonable basis is quite obviously not respecting good music.

Daroxtar · 24-12-2009 11:48pm

electrogrimey wrote: »

I dunno what you were watching at Marley Park, because their Alive tour won Grammies, and it was the best gig I've ever seen. Your posts give the impression that you've no clue how to respect music.

:rolleyes:

brianc27 wrote: »

i respect good music, daft punk havent produced anything good since homework FACT

so what if they won a grammy, coldplay won a grammy and they are really sh!t

your posts give me the impression that you like sh!t music

electrogrimey wrote: »

How is that fact? Saying fact doesn't make it fact, it's still opinion. Because I respect Daft Punk I like shit music? Nice logic.

brianc27 wrote: »

its just as logical as........

Your posts give the impression that you've no clue how to respect music

electrogrimey wrote: »

Declaring someone as shite with no reasonable basis is quite obviously not respecting good music.

electrogrimey · 24-12-2009 11:51pm

VinylJunkie · 24-12-2009 11:52pm

SteveDon wrote: »

Have to agree, Daft Punk are crappppp, I despise Justice aswell, I just hate that French sound.

Really hope dance music stays underground, the amount of posers in techno clubs these days is baffling. Asking the dj for the latest Deadmau5 number and what not. I fear further popularity will only serve to evoke more of these types of punters.

Agreed they are rubbish, I would also love dance music to stay underground, really don't want a situation where all the electro pop folk flock to the techno nights because the see it as the done thing.

VinylJunkie · 24-12-2009 11:55pm

Oh in my opinion of course, in case anyone gets sand in their vagina and starts giving out

brianc27 · 25-12-2009 7:50am

electrogrimey wrote: »

Declaring someone as shite with no reasonable basis is quite obviously not respecting good music.

i have got reasonable basis, both discovery and human after all are not good electronic music albums, discovery is riddled with cheap cheesey 80's sounding synth pop tracks, it is nothing more then a pop album, Human after all is dull and soulless, it was like daft punk trying to be daft punk in 1997 and forgetting to inject some soul into the music, no dept or originallity just very repetitive irritating noise. daft punk rose up and fell again around the mid-ninties, they have done absolutely nothing respectful since then, now dont get me wrong homework is a fantastic album, some great really raw sounding tracks on it and the Alive 1997 mix from birmingham is great as well

JackKelly · 25-12-2009 7:58pm

so much musical snobbery here. Whether "dance music" will go commercial or not isn't really the question, and hoping that it stays "underground" for the sake of belonging to a niche market is retarded.

I hate this "I listen to bands no one knows/All your DJs are shíte/It was better in the old days" attitudes that infect music fans across all genres. As long as the bands/artists/groups/Djs I like keep producing great tunes (whether they are the latest Deadmau5 tune or not) I'm happy. If millions of other people happen to like that sound all the better. There's been a massive popularization in House/Electro etc. over the last few years, and I've certainly latched onto it having not been a particular fan before hand. I don't see why that illegitimizes my opinion on it though.

Plumpynutt · 26-12-2009 11:37am

SteveDon wrote: »

Have to agree, Daft Punk are crappppp, I despise Justice aswell, I just hate that French sound.

Really hope dance music stays underground, the amount of posers in techno clubs these days is baffling. Asking the dj for the latest Deadmau5 number and what not. I fear further popularity will only serve to evoke more of these types of punters.

i completely agree with this. i used to go to a lot of electro nights, but i just got too pissed off with the scenesters and posers and hipsters that have no love or respect or love for the music, and are only there because its the latest trend. BASTARDS!

seriously though ive started going to dnb nights and the people there are amazing. nobody cares what you wear, who you are, or your age(im a youngun'-just 18) everyone there loves the music, and are just there for the music, no posing etc.
electronic music belongs in the underground IMO

Plumpynutt · 26-12-2009 11:40am

jonny68 wrote: »

Daft Punk are brilliant and the filter French house sound is the business, some absolute quality over the years like, Dimitri From Paris too is brilliant.

etienne de crecy:D. ****s all over justice etc imo.

as for daft punk, its not that i don't like them, they are amazing there's no denying that, im just bored of their sound. ive heard their songs so many times and their sound wears thin on my ears nowadays unfortunately. its a shame, but i just cant listen to them anymore

JackKelly · 26-12-2009 7:27pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29rwyuKVQ0

projectmayhem · 26-12-2009 7:54pm

It's ironic people are moaning about Daft Punk when, like them or not, they're a gateway band for people to get into dance & electronica.

I also happen to enjoy them (shockingly) and believe that 2010's electronic scene will be entirely dominated by DP and remixes of their stuff. Material will be their own new album due as well as an epic Tron2 soundtrack (which is shaping up nicely, much much darker sound then previous DP records).

On top of this there's a lot of momentum behind Soulwax releasing a pile of stuff, which will also help draw fans in.

These types of acts might not be to everyones tastes, but they get people started, it's up to the newer acts to make decent music that people can hear. And outlets need to come, too. Radio Soulwax seems like an interesting project in that respect.

I don't think 2010 will be the mega year people want it to be for dance music, but it'll get the ball rolling in a really good way

electrogrimey · 26-12-2009 8:12pm

It could be a good year for dubstep, so far a lot of dubstep has been people jumping on the bandwagon and throwing out cheesy remixes, so hopefully next year it will get a bit more refined, and we might see a few good albums come out.

Executive Steve · 27-12-2009 3:34pm

VinylJunkie wrote: »

Agreed they are rubbish, I would also love dance music to stay underground, really don't want a situation where all the electro pop folk flock to the techno nights because the see it as the done thing.

Clearly you've never tried to be a promoter so, I'd be absolutely delighted if all the electro pop folk flocked to our night because they saw it as the done thing... I'd never in a million years change the nature of what we do to please them or to attract them, but surely a club packed to the rafters with people is better than a half empty one?

g5fd6ow0hseima · 27-12-2009 6:34pm

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

Clearly you've never tried to be a promoter so, I'd be absolutely delighted if all the electro pop folk flocked to our night because they saw it as the done thing... I'd never in a million years change the nature of what we do to please them or to attract them, but surely a club packed to the rafters with people is better than a half empty one?

personally id rather being at a gig with 100 genuinely interested people as opposed to 400 and the majority of them tossers, there for the scene.

If your worrying about numbers from the point of view of being a promoter, there are other, more accessible genres to promote.

Massive Muscles · 28-12-2009 5:38pm

I'm not too familiar with this board but is this guy Jonny a known troll?

If some people want to see dance music in the charts then that is their perogative, but i always have and will always remain into dance music that is underground and not commercial.

1- Axwell – I Found U (Remode)
2- Rui Da Silva – Touch Me
3- Roger Sanchez - Another Chance
4- The Shapeshifters – Chime
5- Basement Jaxx – Where’s Your Head At
6- Moby – Raining Again (Steve Angello Remix)
7- Kemal Feat Foxxee – City Street walking
8- Fish Go Deep featTracy K – The Cure & The Cause
9- Spiller – Groovejet
10-Mark Knight & Funkagenda - Man With The Red Face

jonny68 · 28-12-2009 5:56pm

Massive Muscles wrote: »

I'm not too familiar with this board but is this guy Jonny a known troll?

you are the troll, 17 posts mmmmm i wonder eh :rolleyes:

brianc27 · 28-12-2009 6:04pm

he has a point though, you completely contradict yourself

jonny68 · 28-12-2009 6:08pm

brianc27 wrote: »

he has a point though, you completely contradict yourself

not at all, as i said previously all of those tunes started off underground and most became so popular some entered into the charts,should i just suddendly not like or disown these tunes because they became so popular?

jtsuited · 28-12-2009 6:14pm

jonny68 wrote: »

not at all, as i said previously all of those tunes started off underground and most became so popular some entered into the charts,should i just suddendly not like or disown these tunes because they became so popular?

hahaha. they're clearly very commercial tracks jonny, but let's all have another one of these arguments where everyone points out why you're wrong and you tell them it's their 'perogative' to disagree with you.

3...2....1....go!

PHONiC.ie · 29-12-2009 4:11am

Hopefully not! Going mainstream is never good for quality!

Executive Steve · 29-12-2009 12:40pm

Sullivan Enough Hairpin wrote: »

If your worrying about numbers from the point of view of being a promoter, there are other, more accessible genres to promote.

Not sure i get your point?

PHONiC.ie · 29-12-2009 5:36pm

He means, sell out, and you'll make loads more money. I hear R'n'B attracts big numbers? LOL

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