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La Liga Superthread 2009/10

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    eZe^ wrote: »
    Have a feeling I'm going senile. I could have sworn Gudjohnsen was still playing for Barca, he was just completely relegated from the squad. I mean, I've seen him at a good few of our home games this season in the crowd. Never remember him leaving for Monaco.. Oh well.. ;);):p

    Sure you got Ibrahaimovic , you will be fine :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    "CR9" is out for a further month with his ankle injury according to Sky Sports News. I assume this means he is certainly out of El Clasico in a few weeks?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Some good articles here from Sid Lowe and Phil Ball.
    Even the most evil men are capable of beauty once in a while
    Sid Lowe

    It's not supposed to be this way. Carlos Marchena's not supposed to score and he's certainly not supposed to score the same day David Albelda does

    Something was rotten in the Kingdom of Navarre. Really rotten. Vegetable drawer rotten. A furry, greying blob wallowing in some unidentified liquid, stuck to the bottom of your fridge, laughing at you for being deluded enough to have bought it in the first place. Surely there was some mistake; it just wasn't right, it couldn't be. Even as they reported it, they half expected someone to reveal it had all been an elaborate practical joke. "Valencia's jugones – their stylists, their superstars – were Albelda and Marchena," said AS's headline. "Albelda and Marchena pull on top hat and tails," said Marca's. They might as well have found a bus on the moon. With Freddie Starr tucking into their hamster on the top deck.

    9pm, Sunday night, the Reyno de Navarra. Osasuna versus Valencia, the last game of Jornada 11 – not quite a weird weekend but a slightly strange Saturday and Sunday. Jorge Valdano had admitted that he was "bored" but "crisis-ridden" Real Madrid had still gone top – properly top – for the first time since 2007-08. Unbeaten in 11 games, Barcelona were talking about "getting ourselves out of this". Málaga and Zaragoza found themselves on the front page. And Mallorca were sixth, officially Spain's best side at home. Now Valencia had won 3-1 in a game in which the linesman was hit by a sandwich, Osasuna had two sent off and José Antonio Camacho complained that the only thing referee Velasco Carballo didn't do for the visitors was "kiss them".

    But that wasn't the surprise. This is the stadium where David Beckham was pelted with missiles by the ballboys; Osasuna have long defined themselves by their dirtiness; and their coach Camacho admitted that he "expected" red cards after a week in which the Valencia coach Unai Emery asked the ref to show some "personality". No, that was no surprise; that's not what saw this match round off a weekend of unusual phenomena. Nor was Walter Pandiani getting sent off, or Carlos Marchena helping it happen. Nor, in fact, was David Villa getting the opener – the Valencia striker is La Liga's top scorer on nine. What was a surprise was Villa getting it from a wonderful chipped assist from Marchena, and Marchena himself scoring a brilliant third. What was a surprise was that Valencia's second was a superb lob from David Albelda.

    That's David Albelda and Carlos Marchena. Carlos Marchena and David Albelda.

    The incredulous sub-heading on the back of one paper said it all: "Maarcheenaaa!" All it lacked were the multiple question marks. It's not supposed to be this way. Marchena's not supposed to score. He's certainly not supposed to score the same day Albelda does. He's only got seven in nine seasons; Albelda has only six in 12. More importantly, he's not supposed to score nice goals on the same day Albelda scores nice goals. "Albelda and Marchena scored goals worthy of a stars," declared Marca. By which they meant: not worthy of them. AS, meanwhile, gave Albelda the Dandy award, for only the fourth time in his entire career. Marchena was declared the game's Crack. For him, too, it was only the fourth time ever.

    "Valencia are a mine," declared El País's headline. And when it comes to Albelda and Marchena, most would agree, Valencia are a mine: dark, dirty and dangerous. The Crack? For Marchena, that's normally just the sound of violence – the noise that accompanies his elbow as it shudders into an opponent's cheek. Marchena is the dirtiest, cheatingiest, evilest player in La Liga. A fouling, elbowing, pulling, diving, whinging, faking hardman who learnt from the master of nasty bastardry – a sneaky, clever, utterly Machiavellian master by the name of David Albelda. "Albelda and Marchena are used to bossing, kicking, clearing, protesting and running in every game, this time they added class," Marca said; "as well as fighting, they joined the symphony of quality," agreed AS. It didn't make sense; this weekend, nothing did.

    Only, perhaps it did. Mallorca have the best home record but they've played Xérez, Tenerife, Valladolid, Getafe, Racing and Almería, who have managed five wins in 34 away games. Which also helps to explain Madrid's position: their home wins have come against Deportivo and Xérez, Tenerife, Valladolid, Getafe, and Racing. Zaragoza and Málaga graced the cover of Sport You but only because they'd disgraced the game, producing the "ugliest match on earth". Barcelona are unbeaten but they've not won in three away matches, they look tired, and Leo Messi and Zlatan Ibrahimovic are injured. And, as for Marchena and Albelda, well, even the most evil men are capable of beauty once in a while. After all, they say Hitler loved dogs and the Krays loved their mum.

    There's something about Albelda and Marchena that doesn't fit the image, either: Albelda is an intelligent left-winger who counts the Valencia author Ferran Torrent amongst his friends, while Marchena spends his spare time cooking, painting, reading about the Renaissance and tending to his collection of bonsai trees. Playing for Valencia rather than Madrid or Barcelona makes slamming them too easy; playing the way they do makes overlooking their ability easier yet. Few seemed keen to note Marchena's impeccable displays at Euro 2008 or the fact that Albelda only missed out because Juan Soler's disastrous presidency left him in court instead of on the pitch.

    This summer, Valencia turned down bids totalling over €115m. Marchena and Albelda were among the few ignored. But while Valencia fought to keep the rest they've been thankful for keeping their two veteran midfielders. Valencia have won four of the last five and should have won the fifth – against Barcelona. It's not entirely coincidence that the run coincides with Albelda's return to fitness and the departure from the side of centre-back Alexis in favour of David Navarro. Just as it is no coincidence that, when fit, Marchena plays every game. Or that, powerful, competitive, organised and lightning quick on the break, Valencia have the best away record in the league.

    Valencia are fourth, four points behind Madrid, and while it is the astonishingly mobile, skilful attack of Villa, Pablo Hernández, Juan Mata and David Silva that has led them, it is at least in part the fact that they're not alone that makes you think they could mount a challenge. Valencia don't care if Marchena and Albelda are sons of bitches because they are their sons of bitches. Besides, this weekend they proved they can play a bit too. Valencia fans knew that already. The stunned reaction showed that almost everyone else clearly did not.


    Talking points

    • A stone thrown from the stands at the Calderón hit Manuel Pellegrini in the face during the derby. The fine: €150. What price the sandwich at Osasuna?

    • Atlético Madrid just keep on being Atlético Madrid. Coach Quique Sánchez Flores – who had missed most of the week with swine flu – had to rush on to the pitch and clamp his hand around the mouth of Sergio Agüero as he tried to get at the referee for giving a 92nd-minute penalty (finally taken in the 95th and the last kick of the match). Agüero seemed to overlook the fact that it actually was a penalty. It was committed by Pablo when there was no need whatsoever to make the challenge. It's not like the world's clumsiest centre-back hadn't been warned, either – he'd committed pretty much the same mistake earlier in the game only for the linesman's flag to rescue him after the ref had given it. Atlético have made their worst start for 56 years. Depor continue to win from dead balls.

    • Speaking of refs, Racing Santander had a perfectly good goal ruled out against Real Madrid that would have made it 1-1. The linesman's flag went up but it wasn't even close. Madrid will point to the penalty they might have had for a challenge on Karim Benzema. They won't point to that Villarato stuff, though. Somehow, they are top – and most are not impressed. But, still, top, going to Camp Nou and with Ronaldo now back; the psychological outlook has changed completely. Especially as Barcelona's short squad is starting to show and they have a nightmare month ahead of them. The game's best performer at the Bernabéu was the man who scored the 'goal' – an 18-year-old called Sergio Canales, who looks like he may be pretty special.

    • The top of Marca's cover today: "If Barcelona force Messi to play, they could see him break down". The middle of Marca's cover today: Cristiano: "It hurts but I'm going to play the clásico no matter what".

    • Sevilla continue to look very strong indeed. Nine players out, no problem. Two very nice goals defeated Tenerife. Meanwhile, Villarreal continue to improve – as they were always going to.

    • Pennant watch: not playing, still injured. Missed a cracker.

    Results: Tenerife 1-2 Sevilla, Deportivo 2-1 Atlético, Madrid 1-0 Racing, Athletic 1-1 Barcelona, Xérez 0-0 Sporting, Villarreal 3-1 Valladolid, Espanyol 0-2 Getafe, Mallorca 3-1 Almería, Malaga 1-1 Zaragoza, Osasuna 1-3 Valencia. Real Madrid 0-1 Real Oviedo [OK, OK, Real Madrid Castilla].
    EL CLASICO AWAITS
    Apocalypse Now
    By Phil Ball

    The trouble with the 'clásico' (Barcelona v Real Madrid, in case you didn't know) is that in the week preceding this apocalyptic fixture everything seems conditioned by its looming presence. It might have been better for the clubs themselves to have played the game on a weekend which neither preceded nor succeeded a Champions League midweek, but the gods of destiny preferred to keep things boiling over, sitting up there in the clouds this summer, poring over the fixture list. As such, it's even managed to silence the Hand of Henry controversy, by far this past week's juiciest talking point.

    Nevertheless, the weekend's action in La Liga seemed to have its every action subordinated by, or linked to, next weekend's game. Pep Guardiola came in for some criticism for even fielding Leo Messi in San Mamés on Saturday night, as if he should have been saved for the two subsequent games, which were deemed more important. The fact that he went off injured then became a talking point for next Sunday, particularly given the imminent return of Cristiano Ronaldo for the big event. Messi's injury (which has turned out to be not as serious as initially thought) was only a problem in terms of the clásico, not the next few games - not even the Inter match on Tuesday. Champions League? Who cares? Real Madrid visit on Sunday.

    Well - I exaggerate. But you could have been spared the thought that Barcelona's season, which may well pivot on Tuesday's game, depended more on the clásico than on beating Inter - which is obviously untrue in concrete terms, but in psychological ones it makes sense. Real Madrid have found this particular incarnation of Barça rather hard to take, especially given the 2-6 defeat of last season, and would love to exact some sort of revenge, or at least wrest back some dignity. A good result in the Nou Camp - and a draw would constitute that - might begin to turn the tide that has so fervently washed the Catalans' away in the last year and a half.

    The truth is that neither side are playing particularly well, going into the game. On Saturday morning, to boot, Spain woke up to the headlines that H1N1 had hit the Barça dressing-room, with Abidal and Touré its fallen victims. Marquez was soon to follow. You could almost see the headline writers at Marca rubbing their hands in glee, almost exhorting any undercover Madrid fan in Barcelona (with 'the flu') to break into the Nou Camp and sneeze. Then on Saturday night, Athletic Bilbao recovered remarkably from the first 20 minutes of a game in which Barça ran them dizzy, slowly turning the tables on the visitors and ending up looking almost the better side.

    Messi limped off after a fantastic start, but then Xavi and Iniesta came in for some rough stuff, particularly from the hound from hell, Carlos Gurpegui. A few weeks ago, he wandered down the streets of Bilbao with my son and myself after midnight, chatting away as if he were the most mild-mannered man on the planet. On Saturday night, Barça must have wished he'd been elsewhere. At one point - dare to breathe the phrase - Gurpegui put Xavi so off his stride that he misplaced a pass to Iniesta, which rolled out of play. The world tilted on its axis, rivers dried up and the stock market fell. It was the first time that a Xavi pass had not hit a Barça player since 2006, or so the story goes. Is this the beginning of the end?

    Dani Alves actually scored at a point when Barça were not playing particularly well, a fact that would have knocked the wind from most opponents' sails, but not Athletic's. Indeed, with reference to my friend Eduardo Alvarez' debut quiniela last Wednesday, this was a fixture where his prediction was spot-on, although Guardiola put out most of his big guns. Not so many were rested, as Eduardo predicted - but the result was right. Rather better than the total - five out of 10, but we'll forgive him the first time. Definite room for improvement. Glancing at my own attempt, I managed six, but blew three of the five second division games. Ho hum, work another week, as my father used to say. Whatever, it will be interesting to see what is predicted for the clásico. It would take a brave person to predict a Madrid win, but such an outcome would truly put the cat amongst the proverbials.

    It seems unlikely because Real Madrid are playing so poorly, and yet a haul of 28 points from a possible 33 represents their best start in 17 years. Then again, one might argue that they are only playing poorly in relation to the expectation generated around them pre-season, and the Alcorconazo, as the famous defeat to the minnows has been baptised, has managed to steal several headlines. This roughly translates, in cultural (if not literal) terms, as 'Alcorcongate', just to keep you in the picture.

    Real Madrid's 1-0 win over struggling Santander did little to assuage the feeling among Madridistas that despite a whole bundle of presents arriving in the post over the summer, the absence of the biggest and best (Ronaldo) has put the other toys into the shade from where they have rarely emerged. The exception, particularly in the Santander game, was Xabi Alonso, who is beginning to approach the best version that so often lit up the English Premier League. And all this coming on the back of his two decisive goals for Spain against Argentina last week.

    Elsewhere in the side, various players - Drenthe, Marcelo, Granero - continue to sow the seeds of doubt as to whether they really belong as valid supports to their galactic company, since they seem unable to pull the side together when the big names are not performing - I refer to Kaká and Benzema in this instance. Gonzalo Higuaín continues to score decisive goals, but is a much poorer team player than Raúl, for example. That one should often replace the other, and that this should generate such debate, rather contributes to the feeling that Real Madrid have not really moved on much from last season. Galácticos what? Where are they, and what are they doing exactly? Ask their manager.

    On Wednesday night it will be interesting to see how many of them are given a run-out against the theoretically weak FC Zurich, particularly Cristiano Ronaldo. Madrid, nevertheless, cannot afford to do a Rubin Kazan, and talking of which, Barça cannot afford to slip up at home to Inter, a fascinating game in itself, never mind next Sunday. Inter go to the Nou Camp like some sort of quasi-Spanish outfit, stocked with players who have trod the boards of La Liga, and most of whom have experienced el clásico. Samuel Eto'o, Wesley Sneijder, Esteban Cambiasso, Thiago Motta, Walter Samuel, and Diego Milito (ex-Zaragoza) will all be there.

    The other interesting fact about the Barcelona v Madrid game is that the latter go into it as La Liga leaders. Given all the wailing and gnashing of teeth at the Bernabéu, it is nevertheless a useful advantage at this stage. A draw would be most useful, but a win would potentially set the tone for the rest of the season. Barcelona cannot afford to let it happen, but it is difficult to predict at this stage, as I write this column, what effect the outcomes of the European games will have on the mood and result of the big game to come.

    Not forgetting, as is often the case in these circumstances, that Sevilla are the side playing the best football in Spain at the moment, with morale sky-high and a low-key game in midweek from which they only require a point to ensure a top-of the-table finish to Group C. Moreover, they are only three points behind Real Madrid in the table and have two consecutive home games coming up, both of which look distinctly winnable (against Málaga and Valladolid). With Valencia tucked in a mere point behind Sevilla, the top four is beginning to take on a healthily competitive look, certainly more than was generally predicted at the start of the season.

    Elsewhere, Kun Agüero was taking a leaf out his father-in-law's book for stretching the Spanish language to new heights, with a volley of imprecations aimed in the direction of referee Paradas Romero who had just awarded Deportivo a ridiculous penalty in the 95th minute of their home game against poor Atlético, a team for whom the fates seem to be dishing up poisonous plates on a weekly basis. It seemed to take several hours for Agüero, ably assisted by his team-mates, to actually cool down sufficiently for José Guardado to finally put the penalty away and send Atlético home pointless, just for a change. Next week they host Espanyol, in what must rank as a must-win game.

    The results of this coming week look as if they may begin to shape the season to come in a more substantial way than we have seen so far. It's going to be pretty tasty, whatever happens. Book your places on the sofa, now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,770 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    fabiano is such a class act

    just a tad off World Class bracket


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    Headshot wrote: »
    fabiano is such a class act

    just a tad off World Class bracket

    I half agree, I think he's in that bracket. Can see him having a huge world cup.

    That was some game


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭everdead.ie


    Barca apearantly interested in signing Defoe with Guardiola looking for scouting reports on him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Barca apearantly interested in signing Defoe with Guardiola looking for scouting reports on him

    Link? Haven't heard anything about that ever. Bit weird, really wouldn't like that tbh, especially when there are proven La Liga goal scorers available on the cheap like Van Nistelrooy, and Guiza. I'd like if we made a move for Llorente, or just somebody else. Defoe would cost a pretty penny tbh, and I'm not sure if he's worth it.


    El Grande Clasico tonight lads, anyone else nervous/ excited/ anxious? Barcelona have to win this, I need bragging rights over my Madridista mates for at least another season, I remember the heartache between 2006-2008. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭everdead.ie


    eZe^ wrote: »
    Link? Haven't heard anything about that ever. Bit weird, really wouldn't like that tbh, especially when there are proven La Liga goal scorers available on the cheap like Van Nistelrooy, and Guiza. I'd like if we made a move for Llorente, or just somebody else. Defoe would cost a pretty penny tbh, and I'm not sure if he's worth it.


    El Grande Clasico tonight lads, anyone else nervous/ excited/ anxious? Barcelona have to win this, I need bragging rights over my Madridista mates for at least another season, I remember the heartache between 2006-2008. :P

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11675_5731282,00.html

    A bunch of trashy news papers too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Seems a bit reactionary because he scored 5 goals in one game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    Find that impossible to believe. Defoe is literally the opposite of a Barcelona type player.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    Anyone watching Real Madrid vs Zaragoza?

    Madrid are playing some of their best football of the season.

    Higuaín opened the scoring with a lovely taken left foot strike after 2 minutes, Van der Vaart added a brace, then Higuaín got his second with a wonderful skill, turn and volley with his right.

    Fantastic stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    its a great game


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    that was unREAL from Ronaldo

    Okocha like stuff. He's unstoppable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    Madrid have now scored 3 more than Barca in the league and closed the gap to 2 points :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    very much worth a look for the Ronaldo and Higuaín goals...



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    Not that it means anything really but Marca are claiming that Madrid have finished 2009 as la liga's calender year winner, with 86 pts compared to Barca's 85.

    Looking at their figures they don't really add up. They say both team have played 37 games, but appear to have scored Real out of 39 games.

    Also, have Barca really lost 7 league games this year? I only remember them losing to Español.

    http://www.marca.com/2009/12/19/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1261260687.html

    Worth noting that Pellegrini was also in charge of Villarreal when they finished 2007 having accumulated the highest points tally that year, without winning anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    A very empty Bernabéu for last nights game. Higuain is quickly turning into the best finisher in la liga. Only second to Villa in my opinion. He had a great time last season and has continued it this season even with the doubt of participation after the summer buying bonanza. Raul is now a certainty for retirement at the end of the season. It will be a shame to see such a player leave. No doubt he will immediately be given an important role within the club. One of the greatest players to ever grace la liga the game. Future manager/President no doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    kinaldo wrote: »
    Not that it means anything really but Marca are claiming that Madrid have finished 2009 as la liga's calender year winner, with 86 pts compared to Barca's 85.

    Looking at their figures they don't really add up. They say both team have played 37 games, but appear to have scored Real out of 39 games.

    Also, have Barca really lost 7 league games this year? I only remember them losing to Español.

    http://www.marca.com/2009/12/19/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1261260687.html

    Worth noting that Pellegrini was also in charge of Villarreal when they finished 2007 having accumulated the highest points tally that year, without winning anything.

    Barca lost 5 league games last season and none so far this season. Out of them 5 not all were in 2009 though. So the figure must be lower. Not sure were Marca got them figures.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    redout wrote: »
    A very empty Bernabéu for last nights game. Higuain is quickly turning into the best finisher in la liga. Only second to Villa in my opinion. He had a great time last season and has continued it this season even with the doubt of participation after the summer buying bonanza. Raul is now a certainty for retirement at the end of the season. It will be a shame to see such a player leave. No doubt he will immediately be given an important role within the club. One of the greatest players to ever grace la liga the game. Future manager/President no doubt.
    Yeah I agree about Higuaín. 10 goals in his last 8 games is outstanding.

    Heard that Raúl is thinking of going to the MSL which would be a massive coup for football in America.

    I don't undestand the low attendence last night. It was 50,000. I was there this time last year for their final home game of they year along with 70,000 madridistas, and it was an incredible, magical atmosphere, yet the club were lying around 7th in the league and had just sacked their manager.

    Must be harder times in Madrid this Christmas.

    Also, that was Ronaldo's 13th goal in 12 competitive games this season. Simply phenomenal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    redout wrote: »
    A very empty Bernabéu for last nights game. Higuain is quickly turning into the best finisher in la liga. Only second to Villa in my opinion. He had a great time last season and has continued it this season even with the doubt of participation after the summer buying bonanza. Raul is now a certainty for retirement at the end of the season. It will be a shame to see such a player leave. No doubt he will immediately be given an important role within the club. One of the greatest players to ever grace la liga the game. Future manager/President no doubt.

    The fact that Higuain, a man who almost single handedly dragged Real into the title race last year, started this season as a back up striker sums up everything that's wrong with Real's philosophy imo. He is absolutely lethal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭yahoo_moe


    Was out last night so missed the Real match but just caught highlights there. Higuain really is phenomenal at the moment - his movement is getting him chances and his finishing is getting him goals. Great to watch.

    Benzema seems to be hitting form too so Madrid have plenty of options - looks like it could be a classic La Liga.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    La Liga Top Ten Highlights of the Decade!
    G Balague

    It`s that time at the end of the year when we start reminiscing about the past while looking forwards at the same time, so I thought it appropriate to try and make a list of the top ten moments of the past decade in Spanish football.

    Since the start of the new Milennium, it`s been an incredible ten years for Spanish football and a real privelige to have been a part of it and sharing it with everyone here an on Sky Sports. These are just my highlights, I`m sure you have your own and will no doubt disagree with me on more than one occasion. I`d love to hear your thought`s and any moments you think we`ve missed out here!



    The Spanish Champions League Final - 2000

    European football in the early to late seventies was dominated by the Germans and the Dutch; then, until the mid-eighties, it was the turn of the English clubs to be seen as the powerhouses of the European game. After that, in the nineties, we witnessed a decade long dominance of Serie A - with the Italian league winning European trophy after trophy, while attracting the biggest, most glamorous names in the game to their domestic league.

    Then, on the 24th May 2000, Real Madrid and Valencia met at the Stade de France in Paris to play in the Champions League final. It was the first time since the advent of the European Cup/UEFA Champions League in 1955, that two clubs from the same country competed in the final and it signalled the dawn of a new era: a new decade that would see Spanish clubs feature regularly in the latter stages of the competition and lifting the trophy five times over a 10-year period.

    The `Spanish Champions League final` did more than signal the beginning of a successful period in Spanish football; it heralded the dawn of a new era that would bring in the Galacticos, Ronaldinho, Rafa`s Valencia, The Yellow Submarine, the magic of Messi, the genius of Guardiola, the miracle of Sevilla, Zidane, Villa, Xavi, Iniesta, Euro 2008 and confirmed something we knew all along watching La Liga on Sky Sports - that this is the best league in the world!


    Figo leaves Barca for Real and the Galacticos are born - 2000
    Presidents frequently win elections by promising the very thing that fans all over the world simply cannot get enough of: new signings. So, back in 2000, when Florentino Perez swore that he would be bringing that season`s European Footballer of the Year to Real Madrid - a player who also just happened to play for FC Barcelona - we all knew that the man who would ultimately end up giving the football world a new word for superstars was someone who never does things by halves.

    And so, when Luis Figo made the switch from the Catalan capital to the Spanish one - a move summed up by the Camp Nou banner that proclaimed `We hate you because we loved you so much` - it heralded the birth of the first Galactico era and was just a glimmer of the razzmatazz yet to come. The names of Beckham, Zidane, Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Raul, Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema and Alonso have been keeping the back-page headline writers busy ever since.



    Zinedine`s volley wins the Champions League - 2002
    On the 15th May 2002 at Hampden Park in Glasgow, the best player in the world received an awkward cross from Roberto Carlos at about waist height; he changed his body shape and pivoted on one foot to volley the ball into the top corner of the net with his weaker left foot. Zidane later described it as "the goal of my life". We still talk about the greatest goal scored in UEFA Champions League history. Whatever you want to call it, it effectively won the European Cup for Real Madrid: immortalising the Galacticos by turning what had been so much hype and promise into real silverware.



    Valencia beat Barca and Real for the title... twice - 2002 & 2004
    The early years of the new Millennium represent something of a golden age for Valencia as the relatively unknown Rafael Benitez saw off the challenge of both Real and Barca to secure the La Liga title in 2001/02 - his first season in command - and again in 2003/04 campaign: a season that also included silverware in the UEFA Cup and UEFA Super Cup. These successes followed a lengthy period of disappointment for Valencia; relegation in the mid-eighties and the nineties were highly-forgettable.

    Yet the stand-out moment comes, not during that period of success under Benitez, but just before he took charge: in 2000 Gaizka Mendieta, Claudio El Piojo Lopez, Santiago Canizares and Kily Gonzalez beat FC Barcelona 4-1 at the Mestalla to secure a place in the Champions League final. Los Che had already destroyed Chelsea in the same competition and were now about to do the same to Louis Van Gaal`s side with a brand of football that became their trademark: hard-working, organised, disciplined, yet absolutely devastating on the break, hitting the opposition with incredible pace and power.

    It is a moment etched in the memory as a performance of breathtaking brilliance, the moment when La Liga watchers on Sky Sports suddenly sat up and thought "Wow, this Valencia team is really going places!".

    The Bernabeu stands for Ronaldinho - 2005
    The pony-tailed Brazilian picks up the ball just inside the Real Madrid half of the field and starts to weave his magical spell on opposition players and fans alike. He drifts close to the left-hand touchline, then veers sharply inside, confusing his marker, Sergio Ramos, leaving him in a heap. He then slaloms past Ivan Helguera, and all Roberto Carlos can do is throw himself towards him in an attempt to block the shot that Ronaldinho had already sublimely curled around Iker Casillas.

    As the Barcelona players celebrated going 3-0 up on the home turf of their bitter rivals, the camera cuts to a small man with grey hair and a neat moustache, his Real Madrid scarf hanging loose around his neck, surrounded by staunch Madridistas as he takes to his feet and begins to applaud the brilliance of the Barcelona display unfolding before his eyes. The nervous look on his face gradually disappears and is replaced by one of relief as he is joined by more and more Madrid fans who reluctantly, yet graciously, acknowledge that this is what the beautiful game is all about.



    Messi becomes a star against Getafe - 2007
    This was the moment when the rest of the world started to really take notice of the player we`d been getting excited about in Spain for a while, the moment when non-La Liga watchers could not escape the images of the precocious little Argentine replayed endlessly on highlight shows and YouTube. For years, every talented young Argentine player was burdened by the `next Maradona` tag, but here was a player who looked like he might finally live up to the hype, and what better way to announce it than by replicating Maradona`s winner against England in the 1986 World Cup quarter-finals touch by touch... only even quicker!



    Iniesta stuns Stamford Bridge - 2009
    Andres Iniesta`s spectacular stoppage-time strike wrecked Chelsea`s dreams of a second successive Champions League final against Manchester United amid chaotic scenes at Stamford Bridge. Chelsea thought that they had done enough to secure an all-Premier League clash in Rome before the outstanding Barcelona midfielder broke Chelsea hearts. Fans of the English felt aggrieved, that some huge injustice had been put upon them. Yet somehow, rightly or wrongly, we fans of La Liga - and countless other neutrals - felt that despite Chelsea`s performance on the night, that somehow Barcelona were destined to play in the final: that this was their year and if their really was a god of the beautiful game, then for once, justice had been done and the best team on the planet was in heading for a date with destiny and the glory they deserved.

    Chelsea fans may have grown sick of the eulogising of Barcelona`s style and grace - and this was by no means as simple as a victory for the Catalans` beautiful game over the `anti-football` of the English, which is exactly how it was represented in much of the Spanish press - but nevertheless, the fact that a Barça player with the club`s philosophy in his DNA should have propelled this team of homegrown stars into the final somehow felt... absolutely right.



    Barcelona blast six at the Bernabeu - 2009
    For Barça fans, there was something poetic about the fact that under Pep Guardiola - the prodigal son, the man who could make a generation of Catalan men and women go weak at the knees - FC Barcelona were playing some of the best football we had ever seen in our lifetimes. Barcelona were outstanding, playing beautiful football that encompassed the club`s philosophy and what better place to make a statement of intent than at the Bernabeu?

    Real Madrid had mounted a remarkable comeback in the second half of the season, winning winning 17 of their last 18 games. The 19th match was supposed to be for the title; it was suggested that Guardiola`s troops could not handle the pressure: pretty they may be, but lightweight they said. By the final whistle, Barcelona`s lead was four goals and seven points in the table. The title was theirs - and nobody could say that they did not deserve it.



    Ronaldo signs for Real and breaks records against Villarreal - 2009
    It had been a summer of unprecedented hype and expectation. Florentino Perez was back at Real Madrid; the world`s biggest stars were back at the Bernabeu; the most expensive transfer in the history of the game had been signed and sealed - now was the time to deliver. The longest-running transfer story in recent memory had become reality - much to the disbelief of the red half of Manchester who had rudiculed the very notion - the time for talking was over. Could Ronaldo live up to the hype? You bet! His goal against Villarreal sums up the Portuguese star`s incredible start in the dawn of a new era at Real Madrid: making his mark as the first Madridista in history to score in the first four matches of the season.




    Spain Winning Euro 2008

    It was the victory of a unique style: intelligent passing over long-ball football; short midfielders over the Jose Mourinho philosophy that you have to be 6ft tall to play in the middle of the park. It was a victory that affected the way that we Spanish look at each other. It became acceptable - for a while at least - to walk down the Ramblas in Barcelona with a Spain shirt on and it put to bed the myth that national differences and divergent loyalties within the Spanish state have always impeded our progress on the football field. I have always felt that this excuse was nonsense.

    Spain`s problem was never anything to do with an inability to unite behind a flag, but the absence of a culture of success: of a winning mentality. Euro 2008 has changed all of that. We are now priveliged to be witnessing a generation of Spanish players who express themselves without the hang-ups of the past, the psychological barriers, without the sense of always being the victims. It was a victory that represented the path to this summer`s World Cup: giving Spain a platform to build upon and Spanish football can now go and conquer the world. It was the dawn of a new era and one in which we are so very lucky to be a part of...



    Espanyol winning the cups of 2000 and 2006


    Football is about passion and opinion, about your personal experience and your wishes, about being a kid again. I had the privilege of seeing my team, the one I have been supporting since I was a child, my dad`s team, the one that had not won anything for 60 years, that same team managed to win the cup twice in this decade (as well as playing the UEFA cup final, beating the best Barcelona in history at the Camp Nou last season, knocking Madrid out of the cup, building a new stadium... what a period!). The cup final nights in Valencia (against Atletic Madrid) and Madrid (against Zaragoza) were memorable as they were shared with my best friends and to this day we are still talking about it whenever we get together. Football should not always be objective and that is why this personaly memory deserves the pole position!

    So many great memories, and here`s hoping for plenty more....

    Happy New Year to you all!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Lovely read, especially considering he in the end added in his own personal subjective memory. Nice touch.


    Just wanted to pop in to say how absolutely fu*king ridiculous Zlatan's freak out was on Saturday. Fair enough, he wasn't playing well, and the ref was continually calling fouls on him for even the lightest of challenges, but to get so hot headed that he went in to try and hurt an opposition player. Petty and childish, he was always going to have brash moments, but Guardiola better absolutely cremate him for that. Arguably the most entertaining player at the Camp Nou since Ronaldinho (who was imo the most entertaining player ever to live), but that stuff won't slide at Barca mate, chillax.

    Also, Madrid REALLY slipped up, had a chance to capitalise and they didnt. Great result, and perhaps everyone salivating over the perfect Madrid was a little premature (especially considering they had a very very easy fixture list so far, bar Sevilla - lost, Barca - lost, Valencia - won, they also failed to impress against the only other real big team in their CL group - A.C Milan) Let's hope they get found out soon, it sure would make cules lives all over the world easier!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    How big a slip up was it though? Pamplona is a very difficult place to visit, and Osasuna are no bad side. Certainly a better side than last season. Delighted with the result alright.

    I think Madrid will go through a dodgy spot fairly soon. They have not been impressive much this season, but are still in touch. Much like last season in some regards. For their sake, they better hope Higuain stays injury free. Without him, they will struggle big time. He is their most important player. Bar none.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    Yet will probably be starting next season on the bench if they sign another big name striker, gotta love how Real operate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Another good article from Phil Ball
    Pep ponders the mix
    By Phil Ball

    Lots of people (and newspapers) have been talking about Pep Guardiola this week, mainly because last week's home draw with Villarreal was followed up by a home defeat in the King's Cup to Sevilla, prompting the wunderkind of football management to announce to the press that he was fallible after all.


    Rather than prompting comments of admiration for taking the responsibility on his own elegant shoulders, further criticism followed, one newspaper acidically suggesting that Guardiola was wrong to deflect criticism from the players because it let them off the hook. After each trophy won, the article added, Guardiola had insisted on making the players the protagonists, so when they lose, it should be the same.

    This partly masked the fact that much of the Camp Nou's ire was taken out on the Ukranian centre-back, Dmitro Chigrinsky, as opposed to the whole team - and Sevilla playing rather well (as had Villarreral four days previously) was of course overlooked, but Spanish journalism is ever thus. When David slays Goliath, the victor's virtues rarely warrant a mention. The boy did well, but what was the giant messing around at?

    Sevilla are hardly a David, of course, and their maddening inconsistency continued this weekend when they failed to win their third consecutive home game, losing 1-2 to a Canales-inspired Racing de Santander and looking longingly at the chance that the King's Cup (they will struggle to get much further in the Champions at this rate) has now given them to pick up a trophy this year and thus stay in the European reckoning.

    Barcelona's 0-5 hammering of Tenerife, a tricky-looking match on paper given the week's events, came over as the players' defence of their manager. The cup this season has seemingly taken on a a new function - to test the ability of a manager and his players to weather the media storm created by a defeat, a phenomenon that has had three classic examples this season.

    The first was the Alcorcon farce, where Pelligrini's managerial life seemed in premature peril and the media were calling for his blood (they're silent now), Recreativo's drubbing of Atlético Madrid in midweek - which prompted some sort of cathartic reaction from Quique "Doctor House" Sánchez Flores, threatening to hang his players from Madrid's lamp-posts and leave them as carrion for the vultures, and Barça´s above-mentioned defeat.

    Atlético also ran out on Saturday night as if their backsides were on fire, and pummelled poor Valladolid 0-4 in the process, a reaction that also smacked of their respect for their new leader, and Real Madrid were reminded of their cup exit when their manager included Guti in the squad for the first time since that infamous October night, an evening during which the blond midfielder was alleged to have told his Chilean boss to stick it where it hurts. Guti even got a game, coming on for Xabi Alonso in the last ten minutes. It would seem that Bolton Wanderers will have to wait, and that the latest rumours of Guti's exit were as premature as the previous five hundred.

    So if the consequences of defeat in the cup to a David or a sort-of-David are so serious, why mess with the team structure? Why put out a weakened side? There are surely various reasons, and why Guardiola should have deemed it necessary to apologise says a lot for the power of media-bullying these days. The best reason for putting out a different side (let's forget "weakened") is that players like Pinto, Maxwell, Milito, Thiago, Bojan and Chigirinsky, if they are not picked for the cup games, are really going to look at themselves and wonder what their manager thinks of them.

    The King's Cup, like its FA counterpart in England, has become a useful competition for the bigger sides with their compulsorily bloated squads - bloated because in order to aim for higher things they need three players for every position, but that's the way the cookie crumbles nowadays. There's little point in pretending that the situation doesn't exist, and that we can all return to the romance of the cup as it used to be.

    The second reason is inextricably linked to the first, in that the fringe players need to compete from time to time, and to be seen to be competing. Sevilla was a useful run-out for several players, and the tie is hardly over, given the Andaluz side's home record of late. Barça didn't lose because they had a 'weak' side out but because the composition of these cup-cobbled line ups is inevitably a rare one, with players relatively unaccustomed to one another, at least away from the training ground.

    The third reason is slightly more anti-Pep, in the sense that if you buy in a couple of players like Maxwell and Chigirinsky for a combined 30 million, even your admirers like Joan Laporta might raise an eyebrow or two if those players remain in the dry dock. Guardiola is clearly a great coach in the making, but Ibrahimovic excepted, the jury is still out on his purchases.

    The final reason is the least convincing, but is nevertheless valid. Key players need a rest, and although the game was played during a relatively tranquil period after the Christmas break (the Champions League doesn't re-start up for a while yet) , there was still an opportunity to rest some and try others out. In the case of this specific game, Xavi, Iniesta and Messi were all playing anyway, so why the fuss? Barça didn't approach the game lightly either, and are still interested - in theory anyway, in retaining their six trophies.

    Against Tenerife on Sunday, the game began as though it might turn into an endorsement of the critics. The home side were quicker out of the blocks, and the lack of muscle in the Barça midfield while their Africans are away began to show, with an alarming lack of cover for Puyol and Marquez in the opening twenty minutes. But they got away with it, courtesy of the crossbar and some poor finishing by Tenerife, and hit back with three simple goals before the break, which effectively killed off the game.

    Sides like Tenerife need a high percentage of chances in order to convert. Barcelona don't. No Ibrahimovic, but Bojan was excellent, and Iniesta's run and pass for Bojan to set up the third goal deserves to be voted 'indirect assist of the season'. Messi's third goal wasn't bad either, executed with frightening nonchalance.

    Poor Tenerife. They really didn't deserve to go home on the back of a hiding, but that is what they got, at least on paper, and if there was a mini-crisis at Barcelona, it should be solved easily enough with the return of Pique.

    As Gregorio Manzano, Mallorca's boss admitted on the programme Estudio Estadio late on Sunday night, it would be a brave fool who stuck his neck out and predicted La Liga's eventual winner this season, although the fool is going to have a 50 per cent chance of getting it right.

    Manzano had just caught a taxi from the Bernabéu where his side put up a disappointing lack of resistance to Real Madrid, who ran out comfortable 2-0 winners. The press had been talking up the game all week, since it was the most interesting looking fixture on the list and the one that threatened some sort of upset - Mallorca having climbed into the Champions League spots the weekend before. But of their 30 points, 24 have come from home games, and the islanders continue to be queasy on their travels. Must be all that flying they have to do. The poor dears were in Madrid in midweek too, when they lost 2-1 to Rayo Vallecano in the cup, a result they should put right next week in the return.

    At least Valencia are keeping up third-place appearances, with Sevilla in woeful decline.

    Deportivo have hopped up into fourth place, but Valencia deserve a further mention for the fact that eight of their opening line-up were Spanish-born players. It might be force of economic circumstance, or a more conscious policy, but it represents a rare percentage these days. Their 3-1 win at struggling Xerez wasn't entirely unpredictable, but Valencia are making a good fist of confounding the runes and putting together a half decent season, despite them also losing at home in the cup in midweek (to Deportivo).

    And with Man Utd reluctant to open the purse strings and Chelsea also reluctant, Silva, Villa and Mata look like being around at least until the summer, where a Champions League place would go some way towards reducing the club's debt and convincing the banks that a further stay of execution might be feasible.

    Next week, oddly enough, Barcelona play Sevilla twice more, in the cup on Wednesday and in the league next Sunday, after which they will both be sick of the sight of each other - another reason for both managers to chop and change the line-ups.

    It will be interesting to see, however, what Guardiola does. If he risks a 'weakened' line-up again and loses, he may come in for the most flak he has received since taking up the post. If he puts out a strong side, he may be accused of running scared from the press. Oh well, I'm sure he's paid quite well for his dilemmas.

    Just bolded the rmeark about Valencia as well. They are doing great, and if it is a policy as opposed to a "must do", long may it continue as it seems to be working.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    After watching the Sevilla Barcelona game last night, apart from Puyol being superhuman, is how bloody good is Jesus Navas?

    His speed, strength and awareness are just sublime. He has a great cross and speed as well and can finish. Easily the best winger in La Liga. Such a shame for the guy that he has the issues which prevent him from playing for the international side as the world cup will be a poorer place without him (he suffers from chronic homesickness of all things!). There is talk that his progress in this regard is working well, so hopefully for him as a person, Spain as a team and the world cup as a spectacle he can overcome it.

    Incredible player.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    This is a funny little article from la Liga Loca
    Could Guti be Spain’s World Cup Wonder?
    Tim Stannard

    Wednesday 03 February 2010 17:00

    Bernd Schuster says the concept is “ridiculous.”

    Vicente del Bosque muses that “the door is open.”

    Sport claim that he can’t change his ways at 33.

    Penelope Cruz screams “in the name of all that is holy, La Liga Loca! Leave me alone! How did you get my number, anyway? Don’t you understand that it’s over between us!”

    All week, the whole country has been a-buzzin' with the notion that Guti could be the most unexpected of entries into Spain’s World Cup squad for South Africa 2010.

    And all because of a back-heel to Benzema up in La Coruña.

    Many argue that the idea is insane, ridiculous, barmy, ludicrous, absurd, risible, nonsensical and farcical.

    Others maintain that the debate is complete b*llocks, dreamt up by AS and Marca after some kind of bet to see what they can get away with.

    But La Liga Loca asks: Guti at the World Cup with Spain? Why the heck not?

    Why It's Crazy Talk

    1) In Guti’s 14 seasons as a Real Madrid professional - stretching that term to breaking point - the midfielder has played in fewer than half of the available minutes during that spell.

    This stands in comparison with the 78 percent racked up by Raúl, who is just nine months older.

    This rather hefty absentee rate has been down to laziness, injuries both real and... (checks law book...) real, falling out with coaches, being suspended, awful form, dentist appointments, christenings, holidays, something good being on TV and offering naff all for much of the season aside from a couple of over-hyped passes the blog’s dead granny could make given the opportunities Guti has handed to him every year.

    Guti would be as committed to Spain’s World Cup cause as Maniche is to a bowl of Special K.

    2) Guti may claim this week that he would like to go to South Africa, but this is the player that Katy Perry writes songs about (two of them, in fact).

    In the course of a recent interview Guti revealed that he wanted to see out his career at Real Madrid, play in England (see proof on the YouTube!), play for Inter Milan and retire to Bangkok to bomb around on a moped.

    The Madrid player may be itching to go to the World Cup now, but what happens when Del Bosque calls him up and Guti pulls out due to the opening of a new hat shop?

    Or the home delivery of a disco ball?

    3) Because he waddles like Liam Gallagher circa What’s the Story, Morning Glory?.

    Why It's Perfect Sense

    1) When the chips are down, the turnips are up and it’s all gone Pete Tong out on the pitch, the footballer that Spain really needs coming off the bench is not Cesc Fabregas, but Guti - the only player in the world who can change the fortunes of his team in a split second with a moment of pure genius.*

    *Not technically true. Guti generally likes Madrid to be a good two or three goals to the good against beleaguered opposition before making his “killer passes,” which tend to be fairly ordinary when taken out of context of the Madridista hype-machine.

    2) Spain may well come up against all kinds of dastardly, dark-arts devils during this summer’s footballing festival.

    The midfielder is the one cat who is guaranteed to remain cool, calm and collected in the midst of the most horrendous of hullabaloos.**

    **Again, a slight white lie. Just boot Guti a couple of times from behind (see Osasuna games) and you can be sure he’ll be sent off after a retaliatory knee-breaker just seconds later.

    3) Guti is better than all of Spain’s current midfielders combined. And then some. For example...

    Xavi has suckered the world into thinking he is a superstar due to his ability to complete five-yard passes.

    “Whoopedy do!” says the blog. Guti can do them backwards. And he’s a more useful presence in the dressing room when items off high shelves are required.

    Iniesta? Forehead too big, scalp too bare and hasn’t scored for his club this season. Guti? Cool hair and THREE goals.

    And as for the new young tyke, Jesus Navas?

    All Luis Fabiano needs to do in their upcoming clash in South Africa is show the Sevilla man a photo of his house and he’ll be sobbing into the turf and shipped home before you can say “I should never have left Andalusia.”

    These are the arguments both for and against Guti’s World Cup inclusion, plain and clear.

    Now it's time for the blog collective to chew over this week’s big issue: Guti - should he stay, or should he go?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    The response to Guti's backheel has been bizarre.

    It was a great move but now there's all this clamour for him to be in the WC because of it. Marca did a two-page interview with him about and also did a photoshoot of him re-enacting it in his back garden. It's ridiculous.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    If Marca/Madrid supporters (same thing) think that Guti is going to get into the Spain World Cup squad with the likes of Xavi, Senna, Busquets, Fabregas, Mata, Iniesta, Cazorla, Silva, Navas and Alonso etc then they are nuts end of.


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