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La Liga Superthread 2009/10

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    la liga is generally great to watch. loved the game tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Dunno whats up with Kaka doesnt look like he fits into spain, always slowing the game down and trying to play the single pass ala italy.

    madrid still trying to get that elusive 0-9-1 formation, Marcelo should think about playing a different sport or position :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    Madrids defence will cost them any chance of league or CL I think. They could easily have conceded 4 tonight. when is the 1st game against barca. looking forward to that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    29th november in nou camp


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 868 ✭✭✭tdv


    Well one question has been answered tonight & that is that Real Madrid are no where near good enough to challenge Barcelona this season. There a absolute shamble in defence. They don't have a defender who can actually defend.

    But full credit to Sevilla they did there homework & exploited Madrids weaknesess. Do Navas & Adriano ever get tired? They can run up & down them flanks all day long.

    Looks like it will be a race for 2nd place between Madrid & Sevilla this season. Nobody is going to do better than Barca this season.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Barca still have to play Sevilla and not like they were on fire themselves last night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    My god Sevilla when they want to play absolutely breath taking football. The mix it up by being able to play great possession football, but they have killer instinct with great wingers like Navas. 3 years ago they played the best football in the league, looks like they are back to that level again, fairplay to Jimenez, especially after all the stick he got for being so 'defensively orientated'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    Sevilla could easily win some big trophies this season, they were the far far better team and the scoreline, and unreal goalkeeping, flattered Madrid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Seen Sevilla a few times this season and haven't been disappointed. Hope they can keep up their form. I think they play Deportivo next so that should be another good game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    God i enjoyed that tonight! i have had madrid bandwagonners (is that a word)? a who cares! in my ear about how they will win everything this season cause of the attacking talent and blah blah blah

    this is the first real decent/good team they have played and they failed misreably, it could have been alot worse for them and probably should have been

    there is no point in having creativity flowing from your forward line and not being able to defend if their lives were on it

    Marcelo looked good when he first came but he genuinely seems to be getting worse with each year at Madrid.....I feel they make you a bad defender, i mean Cannavaro went there as World Player of the Year and he didnt exactly cover himself in glory in his time there

    Cant wait for the first game with Barca!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    . I think they play Deportivo next so that should be another good game.

    Not if Depor have their way :p
    kryogen wrote: »

    this is the first real decent/good team they have played and they failed misreably, it could have been alot worse for them and probably should have been

    Failed miserably is a tad strong, they only lost by a single goal. I know people will say "if it were not for Casillas" etc. But Casillas is there, and he will continue to save Reals hide as he is the best keeper in the world.

    That was a great great game last night. Navas, on form, is incrdible. Zakora looked a different player than what he was at Spurs. Capel did some damage as well when he came on. Fabiano had a poor game by his won standards, really should have scored at least one.

    Madrid for theor part were quite terrible. Raul was anonymous, Benzema is overpriced, Guti was absolutely awful, Kaka did nothing. About the only bright light for them, aside from Casillas, is how well Mo Diarra played.

    People are writing Madrid off too asily. They have lost one game, narrowly, to another contender in their backyard. Admittedly Real were totally outplayed last night, but very few teams will go to the Pizquain and fair much better.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    David Villa is said to be out for 3 weeks so Barca look set to dodge a bullet at the Mestalla in their next league outing. Grrr..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    That is great news for Barca, but Valencia have plenty more than just Villa in their arsenal!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Slash/ED wrote: »
    Sevilla could easily win some big trophies this season, they were the far far better team and the scoreline, and unreal goalkeeping, flattered Madrid.
    Seen Sevilla a few times this season and haven't been disappointed. Hope they can keep up their form. I think they play Deportivo next so that should be another good game.


    cheers guys :mad:

    pathetic performance today, beat real madrid then change the team W T F!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Valencia barca is a 0-0 yawnfest still 5 to go but barca aint the all wonderful bestest team in ther world tonight. games like this they need to win 1-0 honestly cant see a goal in this for barca.

    Real won 4-2 earlier


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Sporting Gijon 0-0 Real Madrid, final score.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 868 ✭✭✭tdv


    Sevilla 0-0 Espanyol

    Lots of 0-0's latley. The defences in La Liga must be getting better well either that or the attackers getting worse.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,757 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Atletico Madrid 1-1 Mallorca too

    I watched most of the Real match and all of the entertaining Sevilla match. Espanyol and Kameni were well worth it a draw and really really should've snatched it in injury time..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    dfx- wrote: »
    Atletico Madrid 1-1 Mallorca too

    I watched most of the Real match and all of the entertaining Sevilla match. Espanyol and Kameni were well worth it a draw and really really should've snatched it in injury time..


    yeah to repeat what was said on commentary, he really had to hit the target there, would have been a huge win for Espanyol

    Kameni has looked very good lately, he was a little calamatus before but he is a different prospect lately, maybe he is fulfilling the potential i saw in him in Football Manager :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Anyone watching Barca? Only in the first-half but they're comfortable and some of the football they're playing is a joy to behold.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Barca are not playing well, just enough to be beat a poor Zara team.

    4-0 atm could be 10


    pablo scored a cracker for valencia earlier


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Barca 6-1, Keita hattrick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    Barca are not playing well

    Are you mental? That was Barca's best performance of the season, they looked as dangerous as last years Barca with added control thanks to Ibrahimovic. 73% possession and a 6-1 win is hard to bloody argue with! Things that struck me were Messi is still struggling to be as consistently brilliant as he was last year, he drifted in and out of the game but took his goal beautifully.

    Keita played so well, he was powerful and aggressive all game, he was swapping with Iniesta as the right sided winger, him and Ibrahimovic linked up very very well.

    Finally, Ibra was definitely my man of the match, the amount of times Xavi just lumped the ball up top and Zlatan controlled it perfectly was amazing. He is adding a new dimension to the Barca attack, he is just so dynamic, the last time I've seen a player ooze that much class was Ronaldinho, he can do things with a football I've never seen before. It's definitely down to his weird double jointed knees or whatever. Look at them here.

    Ibrahimovic2R_468x360.jpg

    That's apparently how he can generate so much power, well, and the fact he's a 6 foot 5 monster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭gucci


    That is a great picture.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    gucci wrote: »
    That is a great picture.......

    Ya, check out these clips to see how weirdly his legs can bend.







    kinda freaky that he can still generate power from his legs being in those uncomfortable positions!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Had a look at Malaga vs Valencia and Deportivo vs Gijon this evening. Was a day for the goalkeepers. It was very interesting going from watching Given produce a top class display for City and effectively win them a point to then see the Malaga and Deportivo keepers produce some absolute howlers and cost their teams points. It made me all the more appreciative of Given's ability.

    Thought Malaga vs Valencia was pretty poor although I didn't catch the first 45 minutes. Villa looked a bit frustrated throughout. Was impressed with Malaga's Obinna. He looks a promising talent.

    I found Deportivo vs Gijon much more engrossing. Didn't like the antics of the Deportivo players however throwing themselves to the ground all the time. Juan Rodriguez in particular was a joke in that regard so I was very happy to see Castro equalise for Gijon, though the goalkeeper was unbelievably bad there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Excellent article on Real Madrid in Football365
    The Lesson Madrid Will Never Learn
    Posted 02/11/09 09:53
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    Now the last thing that this peace-loving column wants to do is to begin by insulting that strata of Spanish society that are both Real Madrid fans and Marca readers by calling them mindless, half-wit drones incapable of independent thought.

    So this is why it will merely repeat the cold hard fact that, after a less than sensational spell for the Bernabeu club that saw defeats to AC Milan, Alcorcón and a goalless draw at Sporting, one poll in the sports daily claimed that 62% of voters wanted Manuel Pellegrini fired after just eight league games in charge of the club.

    Another poll published on the same Friday said that just 13% thought that the Chilean coach was actually to blame for the side's early season teething problems.

    And herein lies the fundamental problem at Real Madrid.

    Everyone, from the club president to the cleaners know quite well that the manager is rarely to blame whenever the good times go bad at the Bernabeu. But that doesn't stop them being booted out at regular intervals to manage the mood of the masses.

    As an under fire Pellegrini pointed out, last week, "Real Madrid have had eight coaches in five years and only won two out of eighteen titles." The former Villarreal boss failed to mention that those two trophies were the league titles of 2007 and 2008 and were won by coaches who were fired either minutes after celebrating their success as in Fabio Capello's case, or in a matter of months as with poor Bernd Schuster.

    "The same criticism, the same names," sighed the club's latest scapegoat at Friday's press conference, which continued to be dominated by Tuesday's 4-0 reverse in the first leg of a Copa del Rey match against Alcorcón - a side the size of an English non-league outfit lying to the south of the city.

    Pellegrini wasn't even able to blame the weakness of the squad sent to face the fixture. There were no wide-eyed youth teamers to be seen. 250 million Euros spent over the summer means that Karim Benzema and Raúl was the forward line that faced the lowly opposition.

    Instead, the professorial manager had to ride with the punches as sections of the Spanish press called for his head on a platter, after the defeat. Or more accurately, Marca did - the paper whose main role these days is to make sure that El Presidente remains blameless and stain free at all times.

    "Florentino has played his role. It's Pellegrini who not fulfilled his part of the deal," tutted an editorial in an edition that had the paper's director listing twenty reasons why the perfectly capable Pellegrini should be sacked after just five months and replaced by Sven Goran Eriksson, just one of the candidates for the new boss suggested by Marca.

    Whilst Marca were right to say that Real Madrid have been outclassed by the only two strong sides they have played, Sevilla and Milan, and have yet to find their feet in the new season, Pellegrini cannot be completely blamed for a less than spectacular start to the year.

    Over the summer, the Chilean coach announced that he was planning important roles in the new campaign for the Dutch duo of Arjen Robben and Wesley Sneijder. Unfortunately for Pellegrini, both were bundled out of the Bernabeu fairly late in the day with the excuse that their sales were required to balance the books.

    However one of the main real reasons for the double flogging was that the massively petty Florentino wanted to purge the squad of the players signed by Ramon Calderón, the previous president, irrespective of the damage to Pellegrini's plans.

    The money raised was apparently required to fund the purchase of Karim Benzema, from Lyon. A far smarter move would have been to have hung on to Robben and kept Spanish international striker Alvaro Negredo, who has been in fantastic form for his new club, Sevilla.

    Unfortunately, Negredo's media profile is not high as Benzema - a player who has shown signs of a bright future, but only in flashes. Pellegrini's problem is that he is under pressure play Benzema in every encounter despite a record of just three goals - or one every 256 minutes so far this season.

    The Frenchman's inclusion often comes at the expense of a system that sees Kaká pushed out to the wings and relied on the genius of the still injured Cristiano Ronaldo in the early stages of the season.

    The Chilean coach must also put up with the likes of Guti, too, a player that his bosses opted to keep over Sneijder. The 'maverick' - and take that word as you will - midfielder began his latest week at Madrid by turning up for training last Sunday two hours late, giving the clocks going back as his excuse.

    He continued by being utterly useless in the Copa del Rey defeat, sticking his middle finger up at fans, and telling Pellegrini to "shove it up his arse" when told he was being substituted at half-time.

    But it's not just the top-performing players who have been forced out of the club to make way for Florentino's dream team that have caused issues for Pellegrini this season, but the footballers that are still there but sidelined for not being sexy enough.

    Gonzalo Higuaín is a case in point. The 21-year old banged in 22 league goals in 34 games for Madrid, last season, and has dug his side out of numerous holes with a string of astonishing last minute winners.

    However, because of the political impossibility of Pellegrini dropping Benzema, Ronaldo or Kaká - and not to mention Raúl - the Argentine international has made just two league starts this season.

    Luckily for Higuaín and Real Madrid, the club captain was rested ahead Tuesday's Champions League clash against Milan, and the young striker got his chance to begin Madrid's game on Saturday night and grabbed two brilliantly taken goals to give Real a much-needed 2-0 win against Getafe.

    "He's Madrid's secret weapon," screamed AS the morning after, as if they had just discovered the player called up to Diego Maradona's latest squad that takes on Spain in a fortnight's time.

    Although Florentino Pérez claimed on Sunday that he was "happy with Manuel Pellegrini and is sure that he will end the season positively," there is no good reason to believe a man with a reputation in Spain as 'the devourer' of managers.

    The club president's sense of self-preservation and the personal risk to his all-important reputation is far too strong to allow Pellegrini to have any sense of security of the Bernabeu bench.

    The memory of the suited and booted Real Madrid president sitting in a grotty municipal stadium on a Tuesday night, watching his expensively assembled outfit going through what the Spanish press called "the club's biggest humiliation" is not one that will be forgotten anytime soon.

    Johan Cruyff wrote over the weekend that "everyone knows that the coach isn't in charge at Madrid, but others are." The Dutchman was quite right in his opinion, especially when compared to the current situation at Barcelona.

    When Pep Guardiola said he wanted Deco, Ronaldinho and Samuel Eto'o gone, they were gone. And when he said he wanted Zlatan Ibrahimovic, the Swedish striker came, despite the doubters in the Catalan capital.

    The only control that Manuel Pellegrini has at Real Madrid is over the DVD player in the team coach. And even then you suspect that it's Raul who really holds the remote control.

    And this is why an Arsene Wenger did not come to the Bernabeu last summer. And this is why Jose Mourinho never will, the second of the managers that Florentino wanted to lead his Galactico reboot.

    But this is a message that Madrid's rulers will simply never get through their thick skulls.

    Almost any manager in the world could be tempted with the opportunity to stand on the touchline at the Santiago Bernabeu with the knowledge that he was in charge of the team from top to bottom with the range of powers of Sir Alex Ferguson.

    But with the size of egos of the presidents at the club, it's never going to happen. And Real Madrid will forever be just two bad results away from sacking another scapegoat.

    The bit Ive bolded made me laugh a bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭everdead.ie


    Article from the daily mail on about the current low tax on foreigners income could be coming to an end
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1225166/Spanish-big-guns-threaten-La-Liga-strike-government-looks-change-David-Beckham-law-tax.html?ITO=1490
    Basically says the spanish clubs could go on strike and not pay because the players all negotiate after tax salaries so the club would have to pick up the difference it would add about 2 million onto the cost of ronaldo's contract per year!

    The again it's the daily mail:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,273 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    EDIT: What everdead.ie said....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Have a feeling I'm going senile. I could have sworn Gudjohnsen was still playing for Barca, he was just completely relegated from the squad. I mean, I've seen him at a good few of our home games this season in the crowd. Never remember him leaving for Monaco.. Oh well.. ;);):p


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