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Refusing blood cost Jehovah's Witness her life

  • 18-12-2009 01:20PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭


    I know this has probably come up a few times over the years but yet again religion ****s up someone life for no good reason...

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    A JEHOVAH’S Witness who refused a blood transfusion in hospital had a 98pc chance of surviving the bleed that killed her – if she had been given the procedure, an inquest was told yesterday.

    Grieving husband Philip Baxter said his wife Anita (56) “did not want to die” but “did not want a blood transfusion”. A coroner has called for hospitals to consider seeking a court ruling in similar contexts – where a patient refuses blood on religious grounds.

    Mrs Baxter, of Tudor Court, Coill Dubh, Naas, Co Kildare, died of acute cardiac failure caused by blood problems in Tallaght Hospital on September 15, 2009.

    Mr Baxter told the inquest: “She said she did not want to die, but she was adamant she did not want a blood transfusion.”

    Mrs Baxter, a Jehovah’s Witness, died five days after surgery to remove a tumour from her colon – after which she suffered significant bleeding.

    Surgeon Diarmuid O’Riordan told the inquest there was a “98pc to 99pc chance she would have survived if she was given the appropriate blood transfusion”.

    Dublin County Coroner’s Court heard yesterday that Mrs Baxter signed an informed consent form before surgery stating that she didn’t want blood or blood products – even as a lifesaving measure.

    Detailed consent was given to doctors operating as part of three separate medical teams at the hospital – including to Mr O’Riordan, consultant haematologist Dr Helen Enright and anaesthetist Dr Fergal Day. Consent

    “She was extensively counselled pre-operatively regarding the potential consequences of her refusal,” Dr Enright said. “She explicitly indicated she did not want transfusion of blood products – even if it cost her her life,” according to Mr O’Riordan.

    Mrs Baxter’s blood pressure dropped after a successful fivehour keyhole procedure on September 10. She underwent open surgery, three hours after the operation, for a suspected bleed.

    She was unconscious for five days before her death. Anaesthetist Dr Fergal Day explained to her family that, without a transfusion, “it was unlikely Mrs Baxter would survive”.

    If she received the transfusion, “the overwhelming likelihood is that she would have survived”, he told the inquest.

    Coroner Dr Kieran Geraghty called on management at the hospital to consider seeking a court ruling in future similar cases, where a person was unconscious and not in a position to affirm their decision – and there was time to make a court order – so the situation could be clarified.

    “It’s putting doctors in an incredible position, where they can save a person, that they have to ... let them die,” he said.

    Mrs Baxter “had five days to be saved and she was not in a position to change her mind.

    I’m surprised an opinion was not sought from the court”.

    Solicitor for the hospital, Kevin Power said that, under Irish law, a patient had the right to “choose their medical treatment” and could “give a directive.. . as long as they are informed of the relevant risks”.

    He added that, if they were unconscious, that consent would carry through.

    Mrs Baxter’s husband Philip told the inquest he asked a doctor if she would “put in writing” that the transfusion would save his wife’s life if he overturned her decision. “She said she couldn’t say that,” he said.

    He added: “I would not change my wife’s decision. She had signed it and she was quite adamant she did not want a blood transfusion.”

    Asked by the coroner whether his wife would have changed her mind if she was capable of considering the situation, and was told there was a 98pc to 99pc chance she would die without a transfusion, Mr Baxter said ‘No’.

    Coroner Dr Kieran Geraghty recorded a verdict of death by natural causes.

    How is that natural causes, death by religious misadventure :pac:


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Comments

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Foir the jeohavah, this didn't **** up their life. Gettign the blood would have, becuase they would have had to spend the rest of their days thinking they would not be going to gods kingdom in the sky. At least this way another religous nut is dead and the religous nuts family dont have to sue the doctors for only trying to save her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Chocoholic84


    It's a stupid religion, IMO :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭hada


    While you might not see eye to eye in regarding Jehovah’s Witness beliefs, who are you to say it was religious misadventure?

    Each to their own I say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 357 ✭✭K-Ren


    Hey! Jeh-Jeh-Jeh-Jehovah it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Glad there wasn't valuable blood wasted on her, tbh.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    Fair enough if adult Jehovahs decide these things for themselves,it's when they impose these beliefs on their children that gets my heckles up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭Schism


    I agree OP that her choice was ridiculous but I also agree that it was her choice to make.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Demonique


    Survival of the fittest?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    WindSock wrote: »
    Glad there wasn't valuable blood wasted on her, tbh.

    I she somehow evil now ?

    Just because her beliefs don't coincide with yours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Absolutely tragic.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Kradock


    Should have got some of that synthetic stuff they drink in Trueblood.:pac:



    On a more serious note , you have to admire the depth of a Jehovah's belief. RIP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    No, nothing to do with that. I don't care what her religious beliefs entail. I am glad she didn't get blood she didn't want then drag the doctors through the court like the Nigerian woman last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭toiletduck


    Since it was her own decision regarding her own body, then fair enough. No matter how deluded we may think her beliefs are she wasn't hurting anybody but herself.

    But when they decide it on behalf of their kids... Then we've got a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Xyo


    At least she's with god now... snigger :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    It's a stupid religion, IMO :rolleyes:

    All religions are stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Well, its certainly tragic, but at the end of the day her beliefs didn't hurt anyone but herself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Kradock


    WindSock wrote: »
    Glad there wasn't valuable blood wasted on her, tbh.


    TBH thats a poor poor statement


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭stringbox


    I hope people are talking about stem cells in these terms in twenty years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    Kradock wrote: »
    you have to admire the depth of a Jehovah's belief.

    Yup agreed,

    I don't think I would have the courage to throw away my life like that.
    Even if I did believe a space wizard told me I couldn't take other peoples blood.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    This isn't blood that I am topping you up with, it's 'red', a newly created synthesised life-fluid, created especially for Jehovas Witnesses, trust me, I'm a doctor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    Re: the Jehovah Witness religion the South Park episode sums it up very well.
    Dum,da,dum,dum,dum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    jhegarty wrote: »
    I she somehow evil now ?

    Just because her beliefs don't coincide with yours.

    yes, no rational person would believe any of that rubbish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Would it not of been an idea for the doctors to withdraw some of JW's going into operations for a few weeks beforehand and so if something happens they can use their own blood? I don't think that's against their beliefs, is it?

    Or just give her a transfusion while she's unconcious and don't tell her. If she doesn't know, she won't mind and if a god won't let her into heaven because of that, then you don't want to worship that kind of c*nt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭toiletduck


    wudangclan wrote: »
    Re: the Jehovah Witness religion the South Park episode sums it up very well.
    Dum,da,dum,dum,dum.

    That's Mormons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    [quote=wudangclan
    ]Re: the Jehovah Witness religion the South Park episode sums it up very well.
    Dum,da,dum,dum,dum. [/quote]That was Mormons, a different, silly Christian spin-off.

    edit: Dammit, ninja'd. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    What a waste of life. It's a shame people get corrupted with that clut ****e.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    wudangclan wrote: »
    Re: the Jehovah Witness religion the South Park episode sums it up very well.
    Dum,da,dum,dum,dum.

    That not jehovah witnesses that Mormons isn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    humanji wrote: »
    Would it not of been an idea for the doctors to withdraw some of JW's going into operations for a few weeks beforehand and so if something happens they can use their own blood? I don't think that's against their beliefs, is it?

    Or just give her a transfusion while she's unconcious and don't tell her. If she doesn't know, she won't mind and if a god won't let her into heaven because of that, then you don't want to worship that kind of c*nt.
    I'm pretty sure they wouldn't allow their blood to be removed either...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    That not jehovah witnesses that Mormons isn't it?

    Is it? My bad.
    No wonder I couldn't google it.


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