Junkies Asking for TWO EURO!!! Bit steep, no?

MrStuffins · 17-12-2009 10:56PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

There is no reason why anyone should be on the streets, our country has a very generous welfare system (often attacked on AH), where everyone is provided with enough to survive. While I can feel some sympathy for the mentally ill and more support should be provided to them, I cant say the same for those who abuse substances. Thats the life they chose.

Lenihan, is that you?

AckwelFoley · 17-12-2009 10:59PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

While his circumstances may have been tragic, surely the greatest tragedy was his inability to change his life around and better himself. There was no reason for him to be on the streets, he gets the dole, which is more than enough to feed yourself and pay rent if you choose.

There is no reason for alocholism either but some, while very few dont have the support of their peers to disguise the result of their demons.

I know more than a handful of alocholics that without their husbands, wives or parents would be homeless.

Its easy to judge, not as easy to understand

oppenheimer1 · 17-12-2009 11:11PM

snyper wrote: »

There is no reason for alocholism either but some, while very few dont have the support of their peers to disguise the result of their demons.

I know more than a handful of alocholics that without their husbands, wives or parents would be homeless.

Its easy to judge, not as easy to understand

Well forgive me for my rather victorian outlook, but hes getting €780 a month in welfare payments and cannot afford €120 a month rent (you don't need to live in Dublin if you're not working) That leaves him with €660 to look after himself. So yeah you shouldn't have told him to get a job, just to get his act together. Its not a very compassionate view that I have but able adults should be able to look after themselves.... I mean what more can we do?

AckwelFoley · 17-12-2009 11:15PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Well forgive me for my rather victorian outlook, but hes getting €780 a month in welfare payments and cannot afford €120 a month rent (you don't need to live in Dublin if you're not working)

to be honest , i stopped reading after that ridiculous comment.

"To hell or to Connaught with you peasants"

oppenheimer1 · 17-12-2009 11:21PM

snyper wrote: »

to be honest , i stopped reading after that ridiculous comment.

"To hell or to Connaught with you peasants"

You live in Athlone!

AckwelFoley · 17-12-2009 11:24PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

You live in Athlone!

That i do.

That said, whats your point?

star.chaser · 17-12-2009 11:49PM

Dean0088 wrote: »

Alri,
is anyone else fed up with walking down the main thorough fair of our capital city, in our lovely green emerald isle and being hit up for two euro three times between the ambassador and O'Connell Bridge.

I'm getting really annoyed with it! It never used to bother me but now I'm in town a lot more often (every second day) and it's the same guys, at the same place given the same crap excuse.

"need bus fare"...."need a b&b"

you need a few cans or a score of heroin more like....

SOrry for the rant :P Do share you opinions!

And isn't two euro a bit steep anyway?

It must cast a bit of a cloud over a holiday for tourists...

- Dean

initially because of common consideration, you listen to what these people have to say but after a while you'll just start ignoring them.

oppenheimer1 · 18-12-2009 01:24AM

snyper wrote: »

to be honest , i stopped reading after that ridiculous comment.

"To hell or to Connaught with you peasants"

snyper wrote: »

That i do.

That said, whats your point?

Whats ridiculous about it. The point I was trying to make was to preempt someone commenting that it isn't possible to find somewhere decent for €120 a month, where they would assume Dublin prices. In a country town though, you could get a double room in a new house for €120/pcm including bills. If someone had nothing keeping them in Dublin such as work (which homeless people don't have), it is perfectly possible to have a relatively decent life on welfare, by minimising outgoings on things like rent. What other strings do homeless people have to keep them in the one place really?

Its not "To hell or to Connaught" as you put it... In fact if a young person in Dublin lost their job and was renting, the first bit of advice I would give them is to leave the city if they were struggling with money.

However I digress. Its a simple fact that most homeless people have chosen to be homeless, either through their own actions or inactions. Why should someone who gets every assistance from the state, yet does nothing to improve their own situation deserve sympathy? The adults have the means, but they lack the drive/willpower to better themselves. Addictions are not an excuse.

Bajingo · 18-12-2009 02:09AM

Connolly station is the worst. I sometimes get a dart from there if not from Pearse.Anyway I was there a few days in a row one week and the same guy asked me for change each time..I said no each time

..except this time the same guy stops me this time with his 'missus'..he tells me 'I need to take my pregnant missus to the hospital, she's bleeding out her whole'. I said 'I dont want to know where she's bleeding from mate' and toss him 50 cent just becaus im sickend by the idea (she clearly wasnt bleeding..anywhere)..but then the dirtbag has the cheek to say 'I meant a fiver'!:mad: Sometimes I hate this city..

dr gonzo · 18-12-2009 02:39AM

Funny this should be mentioned i had a weird encounter a couple of days ago. Was walking up South William St and this homeless chap comes over to us and starts off with the "wouldnt have some change for a b&b buddddd" etc. My mate walks on and i usually have a bit of change and dont really mind so i give it to him and he goes "aw come off outta dat, you can do better". Granted it wasn't too much but it was at least 1.50+ so i say its all i have so he holds out his hand in a low five type scenario, i do the same and he just belts my hand and walks off. I woulda laughed it off but he wasnt joking, really odd reaction, maybe its standard junkie reaction when they've been underpaid.

We've got some characters in this city.

Stevecw · 18-12-2009 03:26AM

Bajingo wrote: »

Connolly station is the worst. I sometimes get a dart from there if not from Pearse.Anyway I was there a few days in a row one week and the same guy asked me for change each time..I said no each time

..except this time the same guy stops me this time with his 'missus'..he tells me 'I need to take my pregnant missus to the hospital, she's bleeding out her whole'. I said 'I dont want to know where she's bleeding from mate' and toss him 50 cent just becaus im sickend by the idea (she clearly wasnt bleeding..anywhere)..but then the dirtbag has the cheek to say 'I meant a fiver'!:mad: Sometimes I hate this city..

So "Bleeding out her whole" is the way to go for these guys!!! Until then he gotta nothin off u, then with that killer line he got 50 cent outta you! Bet he is using that line on all the people since

Tazz T · 18-12-2009 03:41AM

In fairness, it's time the homeless took a paycut like the rest of us. If you want to beg drop your prices. The going rate is now 80c, not €2. Watch out or that government will sort you out.

Seriously, anyone on the streets doesn't want to be there.

oppenheimer1 · 18-12-2009 03:49AM

Tazz T wrote: »

Seriously, anyone on the streets doesn't want to be there.

They might not want to be there but they care even less about doing anything about it.

kumate_champ07 · 18-12-2009 04:31AM

one time this guy came up to me to ask for money. he was like death, his eyes were empty and distant, from another world.

as he began to talk I looked at him, we made eye contact but we didnt see each other. he saw me saying no, I saw him saying nothing

he's somebodys son missing for many years but his own mother wouldnt even recognise him today, the frail aged bag of bones walking the streets looking for a lift to deaths door

true story^

Caoimhín · 18-12-2009 09:43AM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

There is no reason why anyone should be on the streets, our country has a very generous welfare system (often attacked on AH), where everyone is provided with enough to survive. While I can feel some sympathy for the mentally ill and more support should be provided to them, I cant say the same for those who abuse substances. Thats the life they chose.

No. It is not a lifestyle they choose. It has been proven (well statistically beyond reasonable doubt) that an addictive personality is an inherite genetic trait.
If you want to go down that road then why not steralize people with an IQ below 110, it would solve a lot of problems but it is inhumane and morally reprehensible.

Caoimhín · 18-12-2009 09:47AM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

While his circumstances may have been tragic, surely the greatest tragedy was his inability to change his life around and better himself. There was no reason for him to be on the streets, he gets the dole, which is more than enough to feed yourself and pay rent if you choose.

Sieg Heil Mein Führer!

Are you drunk, high, slightly demented or all of the above?

junior_apollo · 18-12-2009 10:01AM

Caoimhín wrote: »

No. It is not a lifestyle they choose. It has been proven (well statistically beyond reasonable doubt) that an addictive personality is an inherite genetic trait.
If you want to go down that road then why not steralize people with an IQ below 110, it would solve a lot of problems but it is inhumane and morally reprehensible.

You are a genius!!!... Lets implement this as soon as possible!

hobochris · 18-12-2009 10:13AM

mink_man wrote: »

alri bud...

Oh knoes, teh junkies have discovereded teh internets... run!

chem · 18-12-2009 10:35AM

Dean0088 wrote: »

Alri,
is anyone else fed up with walking down the main thorough fair of our capital city, in our lovely green emerald isle and being hit up for two euro three times between the ambassador and O'Connell Bridge.

I'm getting really annoyed with it! It never used to bother me but now I'm in town a lot more often (every second day) and it's the same guys, at the same place given the same crap excuse.

"need bus fare"...."need a b&b"

you need a few cans or a score of heroin more like....

SOrry for the rant :P Do share you opinions!

And isn't two euro a bit steep anyway?

It must cast a bit of a cloud over a holiday for tourists...

- Dean

I was out in Dublin few years back. We were outside having a smoke, when a homeless bloke asked me for some change. I replied "Sorry lad, Im two euro short for a pint myself. After this one Im heading home" At that he reached into his pocket and went to give me two euro :eek: So at that I give him all my change for been so desent.

Dyr · 18-12-2009 10:51AM

Caoimhín wrote: »

(well statistically beyond reasonable doubt)

Bit of a contradiction that

AckwelFoley · 18-12-2009 01:08PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The point I was trying to make was to preempt someone commenting that it isn't possible to find somewhere decent for €120 a month, where they would assume Dublin prices. In a country town though, you could get a double room in a new house for €120/pcm including bills. If someone had nothing keeping them in Dublin such as work (which homeless people don't have), it is perfectly possible to have a relatively decent life on welfare, by minimising outgoings on things like rent. What other strings do homeless people have to keep them in the one place really?

Its not "To hell or to Connaught" as you put it... In fact if a young person in Dublin lost their job and was renting, the first bit of advice I would give them is to leave the city if they were struggling with money.
.

Well, i suppose my point on a larger scale is, well what if Ireland itself becomes too expensive for homeless people or perhaps lets up the bar a little, what if it becomes too expensive for people on low incomes, would your attitude be that they should move to Vietnam?

Homeless people shouldnt have to leave their "home", and if they are from Dublin, dublin is their home, ableit without a roof over their head. Homeless people are not homeless in dublin because its too expensive, there is essentially free housing for them, they dont avail or are unable to avail of it for various reasons, reasons you nor i fully understand.

Im not a very compassionate person, but i do try to understand peoples circumstances.

AckwelFoley · 18-12-2009 01:11PM

Caoimhín wrote: »

If you want to go down that road then why not steralize people with an IQ below 110, it would solve a lot of problems but it is inhumane and morally reprehensible.

This would bring about the end of AH.

kumate_champ07 · 18-12-2009 01:25PM

chem wrote: »

I was out in Dublin few years back. We were outside having a smoke, when a homeless bloke asked me for some change. I replied "Sorry lad, Im two euro short for a pint myself. After this one Im heading home" At that he reached into his pocket and went to give me two euro :eek: So at that I give him all my change for been so desent.

honest dishonesty is the best policy?

extra-ordinary_ · 18-12-2009 03:34PM

Giving homeless addicts money is only enabling and prolonging their addiction. They won't die if they don't get drugs.

Addicts need to be totally demoralised before they will look for help.

oppenheimer1 · 18-12-2009 03:36PM

Caoimhín wrote: »

No. It is not a lifestyle they choose. It has been proven (well statistically beyond reasonable doubt) that an addictive personality is an inherite genetic trait.
If you want to go down that road then why not steralize people with an IQ below 110, it would solve a lot of problems but it is inhumane and morally reprehensible.

No one forced junkies to go out and take drugs. Yes some people are more suceptable to addiction, but to lay it entirely on this is just passing the buck. "Oh its a genetic condition so I don't have any personal responsibility" thats utter rubbish. There are plenty of people from so called rough areas that have turned out to be upstanding members of society. So its all about the person, and their attitude to life.

I don't know where you're getting the sterilisation analogy from quite frankly. I'm not advocating killing them off! All I'm saying is that the state gives these people enough help to turn their life around, yet they don't and that is a personal choice. The toughest addictions can be broken and have been.

oppenheimer1 · 18-12-2009 03:41PM

snyper wrote: »

Well, i suppose my point on a larger scale is, well what if Ireland itself becomes too expensive for homeless people or perhaps lets up the bar a little, what if it becomes too expensive for people on low incomes, would your attitude be that they should move to Vietnam?

Homeless people shouldnt have to leave their "home", and if they are from Dublin, dublin is their home, ableit without a roof over their head. Homeless people are not homeless in dublin because its too expensive, there is essentially free housing for them, they dont avail or are unable to avail of it for various reasons, reasons you nor i fully understand.

Im not a very compassionate person, but i do try to understand peoples circumstances.

I wouldn't advocate people moving to Vietnam because they wouldn't be able to draw benefits. But as you said money isn't even an issue as the council will provide housing anyway. However as you said there is free housing available but they dont avail or are unable to avail of it. In other words they have made a choice either directly or indirectly, which ultimately had led to them being on the streets. Passing the blame for homelessness onto society, is just another example of people not willing to take personal responsibility for their actions.

Mark200 · 18-12-2009 04:25PM

Yeah some of them can be really annoying... was going through Pearse Station (Dublin) the other day and one came over looking for a Euro "for the train"... I let him ask me my name and everything before I told him no.

One guy I remember in Dublin, just across the road from Bus Aras, came over to me and started talking and he kept saying "Don't worry, I'm not trying to sell you anything" continuously through his long winded story which surprisingly ended with "so if you could just spare Euro or two...". I didn't feel bad saying no to him considering it was the third time that THE SAME GUY had asked me for change within a few months... and I don't even wander around town that often.

Caoimhín · 18-12-2009 04:43PM

junior_apollo wrote: »

You are a genius!!!... Lets implement this as soon as possible!

You, my child would be first up for sterilization.

Caoimhín · 18-12-2009 04:46PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

All I'm saying is that the state gives these people enough help to turn their life around, yet they don't and that is a personal choice. The toughest addictions can be broken and have been.

All I am saying is that you do not understand the complexities of addiction, mental illness and the homeless.

It is not a black and white issue, I wish it were but it isnt.

VinnyTGM · 18-12-2009 04:49PM

The homeless feed off of change.
They somehow find a way to turn the change into nourishment.
They will die if they don't get any.

Junkies Asking for TWO EURO!!! Bit steep, no?

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