Question about choice of optics?

Firekitten · 14-12-2009 05:17PM

Stonewolf wrote: »

Here's a stupid question, on a flip to the side setup, why put the red dot/holo/reflex/whatever after the magnification, wouldn't it be better to put it before the magnification so that the reticule isn't magnified?

Because the magnifiers do not have the eye relief to allow you to be about 6 inches away from the lens.

Phractal wrote: »

Well I guess the proper ACOG is the correct way to go, however the fake electronic dot one is often more affordable to the person on a real tight budget (Its really a dot sight that looks like an ACOG I suppose). The proper 4x one looks decent, I like it! I may end up putting one on the G36c

Actually the zoom ones cost about 10-20 more than the red dot ones... if you look.

Phractal · 16-12-2009 06:30PM

Firekitten- I think you misread my post :P. You said the exact same thing as I did- that zoom ones cost more. But the zoom one costs a hundred euro on MIA. Nathan paid... Forty euro for what is, in fact, a rubbish red dot in a fake ACOG casing. The fake Aimpoint is even worse! Think fake as in, sickening joke fake.

Leftyflip · 16-12-2009 06:32PM

Phractal wrote: »

that zoom ones cost more. But the zoom one costs a hundred euro on MIA. Nathan paid... Forty euro for what is, in fact, a rubbish red dot in a fake ACOG casing.

That's why they cost more.

Phractal · 16-12-2009 10:28PM

Lefty- I was unaware MIA had bad pricing. I use Eirsoft anyway for gear simply cos I like em more. Anyway... I am working on a fun little thing- you know those rangefinders golf players use? I wonder how good they are for getting distance to target

Leftyflip · 16-12-2009 10:31PM

Phractal wrote: »

Lefty- I was unaware MIA had bad pricing. I use Eirsoft anyway for gear simply cos I like em more. Anyway... I am working on a fun little thing- you know those rangefinders golf players use? I wonder how good they are for getting distance to target

To be honest I just hate MIA, never got a good service from them and got met with abuse when I pointed something out to them, beside the point I know.

Tip from the USMC for finding the distance, use what you know and multiply.

Dread-Lock · 16-12-2009 11:16PM

Phractal wrote: »

Anyway... I am working on a fun little thing- you know those rangefinders golf players use? I wonder how good they are for getting distance to target

Not very good, as the golf rangefinders need those flag poles that mark where the hole is to get the distance.

Phractal · 17-12-2009 03:23AM

Ah bugger, I was getting hopeful and all. I suppose I can just do it the normal way... Actually a scaled down MilDot reticle would be awesome. You know the one where a meter is equal to one millimetre at 1k or such? And I often hear people complain about MIA and dodge gear- especially bad downgrades.

Firekitten · 17-12-2009 07:43AM

Dread-Lock wrote: »

Not very good, as the golf rangefinders need those flag poles that mark where the hole is to get the distance.

actually they generally have a golf mode and normal mode...

In normal mode, you enter the general hight of target, aim bottom line at the base, and bring the top down to the top, and it calculates range.... set to something like... 6ft, average human hightish, it can do it rather fast.]

Just dont use it on hivemind will you?

*sneaks off*

Phractal · 17-12-2009 09:27AM

Hmmm they are not too expensive, perhaps I can test one out over the christmas. If it works it will help with calculating projectile drop and means I can get more precision rather than merely 'aiming up a bit'

Firekitten · 17-12-2009 01:34PM

Again with the mad scientist routine... Hon, Drop it... Pick up your rifle, and shoot it.... again.... again... again... and when you think you've shot enough, shoot a bit more.

The ONLY reliable way to learn trajectory and bullet drop in airsoft, is to do it. Practice till you know the gun inside out. Science really... can't cope with this one, not without extensive studies that will never live up to field conditions.

Weather, temperature, humidity all effect airsoft guns, so just work out what happens by using it. I can pretty much place a bb on someones forehead at 90m with my l96 because I know exactly where to aim, and when... Experience will trump theory any day. The sooner you start picking up guns and doing stuff, and less working out kooky ways to work things out, the better off you'll be.

Dread-Lock · 17-12-2009 05:01PM

Firekitten wrote: »

actually they generally have a golf mode and normal mode...

In normal mode, you enter the general hight of target, aim bottom line at the base, and bring the top down to the top, and it calculates range.... set to something like... 6ft, average human hightish, it can do it rather fast.]

Just dont use it on hivemind will you?

*sneaks off*

I thought that was only with the more expensive ones.
Can you do that with the €10 ones you can find on eBay? If so, I stand corrected, if not...I was referring to the cheap ones

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Phractal · 17-12-2009 05:15PM

Firekitten... I see your point. A friend of mine who is even more scientific minded suggested a temperature adjustable scope for GBBr devices. I had to laugh at the sheer idea of dialling in the temperature... But you are correct. Simply shooting and shooting more, i.e. Practice, is the best way. The idea of calculating it just 'feels' more precise to my mind. But I can appreciate the fact that Its impractical to start doing equations in the field prior to taking the shot- by then the target is gone!

Leftyflip · 17-12-2009 05:26PM

Set your hop, know your maximum range and shoot, shoot some more then reload, then shoot some more, balls to all the calculations. Especially if sniping, its airsoft in a skirmish, you don't have 3 day's to get in position and set up, you've 3 minutes.

Firekitten · 17-12-2009 06:01PM

Leftyflip wrote: »

Especially if sniping, its airsoft, you don't have 3 day's to get in position and set up, you've 3 minutes.

Depends really...

I've waited about an hour once for a target. I took up position in a hide i'd scoped out at Sennybridge, and waited for the battle to progress through the town
when it reached me, my room and floor was unsearched dispite the enemy occupying the building... Killed 22 before discovery as the battle passed (Tip for snipers: Engage enemy that are under fire already.... they assume its the aeg that hit them and dont look for you)... Nah, its very much 3 hours getting into position, 3 minutes getting out :P

Phractal wrote: »

Firekitten... I see your point. A friend of mine who is even more scientific minded suggested a temperature adjustable scope for GBBr devices. I had to laugh at the sheer idea of dialling in the temperature... But you are correct. Simply shooting and shooting more, i.e. Practice, is the best way. The idea of calculating it just 'feels' more precise to my mind. But I can appreciate the fact that Its impractical to start doing equations in the field prior to taking the shot- by then the target is gone!

Honestly, I wasnt having a go... Just trying to impart some wisdom earned the very hard way... I was like you at first, all about theory... it took my teacher to direct me to the experience route... glad he did tbh.

Dread-Lock wrote: »

I thought that was only with the more expensive ones.
Can you do that with the €10 ones you can find on eBay? If so, I stand corrected, if not...I was referring to the cheap ones .

The one i got from Aldi recently did yeah... 10€ jobbie.

Leftyflip · 17-12-2009 06:11PM

Firekitten wrote: »

Depends really...

I've waited about an hour once for a target. I took up position in a hide i'd scoped out at Sennybridge, and waited for the battle to progress through the town
when it reached me, my room and floor was unsearched dispite the enemy occupying the building... Killed 22 before discovery as the battle passed (Tip for snipers: Engage enemy that are under fire already.... they assume its the aeg that hit them and dont look for you)... Nah, its very much 3 hours getting into position, 3 minutes getting out :P

I meant in a normal skirmish game, it's different in milsim I suppose.
Post edited to clear confusion.

.22 Lover · 17-12-2009 06:45PM

Ill need to get a downgrade soon enouf.who should i go to?

Phractal · 17-12-2009 06:52PM

Well SEAirsoft or Eirsoft. Apparently MIA use a gammy method. I know a lad who does it practically for free, only charges for the new spring. He will chrono it, get the new spring, install new spring and chrono again. No actual service charge or anything, just parts. Galway based, he is going to his first 'proper' skirmish in GTAC 2 on Sunday. He is a bloody genius, should see his MP5SD - started off with a TM MP5 SD and went mad doing it up. PM for details- but he aint doing anything til after christmas.

Firekitten · 17-12-2009 06:56PM

Leftyflip wrote: »

I meant in a normal skirmish game, it's different in milsim I suppose.
Post edited to clear confusion.

Done similar in normal skirmishes... play style varies :P

gungun · 17-12-2009 06:59PM

on the sportlines anyway, all mia do/did was drill a hole in the cylinder:mad:
i doubt its good for the piston o-ring to be running over a rough hole a lot

Leftyflip · 17-12-2009 07:00PM

Firekitten wrote: »

Done similar in normal skirmishes... play style varies :P

Must just be the games we run then :P

Firekitten · 17-12-2009 07:04PM

gungun wrote: »

on the sportlines anyway, all mia do/did was drill a hole in the cylinder:mad:
i doubt its good for the piston o-ring to be running over a rough hole a lot

Maybe... but depends on the type of drill bit used

se conman · 17-12-2009 07:31PM

Regardless of what drill bit is used , or how well the burr is removed after drilling , a compressed o-ring expanding into a hole and then being pushed/pulled across the edges of the hole will always/eventually degrade.

Leftyflip · 17-12-2009 07:40PM

se conman wrote: »

Regardless of what drill bit is used , or how well the burr is removed after drilling , a compressed o-ring expanding into a hole and then being pushed/pulled across the edges of the hole will always/eventually degrade.

That happens in most cylinders anyway.

Phractal · 17-12-2009 08:23PM

Regarding the hole in the cylinder... A POS (piece of ****) M4 arrived on my desk around halloween. I was told I could skirmish her. So... I take her to GTAC 2 for Zombie Rec. It chronos at 133 fps. The reason? The gearbox, gears, cylinder, piston and practically the whole thing is plastic. And the cylinder has a big HUGE hole in it. I taped the hole after noticing my range was perhaps ten feet, got better range but it is very variable. Then I saw paint INSIDE the barrel... Broken motor housing...

Leftyflip · 17-12-2009 08:27PM

Might want to split this thread into a "Methods of Downgrading" one too.
'Cos none of this has anything to do with the original topic.

Flecktarn · 17-12-2009 08:47PM

Yeah I don't want to see this turning into another petty argument.

Anywho I bought myself an Eotech of Ehobby in the mean time thanks for the info folks.

Leftyflip · 17-12-2009 08:54PM

Flecktarn wrote: »

Yeah I don't want to see this turning into another petty argument.

Anywho I bought myself an Eotech of Ehobby in the mean time thanks for the info folks.

Which one? Let us know how you find it when it arrives!

Firekitten · 17-12-2009 08:59PM

se conman wrote: »

Regardless of what drill bit is used , or how well the burr is removed after drilling , a compressed o-ring expanding into a hole and then being pushed/pulled across the edges of the hole will always/eventually degrade.

Do tell me what happens in a normal vented cylinder?

Doesnt the piston head and o ring pass a rather large hole?

And nobody said it was a good or bad idea

Phractal · 17-12-2009 11:09PM

Fleck, do tell how it goes. How much it costin? And the drill bit will Still make a hole, which will Still do damage to those O rings. Just use a lower velocity spring

Flecktarn · 17-12-2009 11:33PM

Leftyflip wrote: »

Which one? Let us know how you find it when it arrives!

Phractal wrote: »

Fleck, do tell how it goes.

Will do lads! Have customs in the back of my mind though, I dont think they like their Eotech's!

It was this one

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