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Something is rotten in the state of Ireland (Read Mod warning in first post)

  • 17-12-2009 08:59AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/1217/1224260840003.html
    DOZENS of people queued inside a Co Kerry courthouse yesterday to shake hands and sympathise with a man who was jailed for five years for sexually assaulting a woman in Listowel.

    Danny Foley (35), a nightclub bouncer, Meen, Listowel, was sentenced to seven years with the final two suspended by Judge Donagh McDonagh in the Circuit Criminal Court in Tralee. He had been found guilty two weeks ago of sexually assaulting a woman who was discovered by a Garda patrol in a semi-conscious state and naked from the waist down alongside a skip in a car park early on June 15th, 2008.

    In her victim impact statement, the woman spoke of being “judged” in north Kerry, but said she was not sorry for telling the truth. Everyone in Listowel knew who she was, despite the press respecting her anonymity, she said.

    “Even though my name has never been mentioned in the press, Listowel is not a big town and everyone knows it’s me,” the woman said. “I feel as if people are judging me the whole time. I’ve been asked by people I know if I am sorry for bringing Dan Foley to court. I am not sorry for it. All I did was tell the truth.”

    About 50 people, mostly middle-aged and elderly men, queued yesterday to shake hands with the convicted man and hug him tearfully after he was brought from the cell to the dock, before Judge McDonagh entered the courtroom.

    Before passing sentence, the judge criticised a character statement made by Castlegregory parish priest Fr Seán Sheehy. The priest had said Foley was always “respectful of women”, but Foley’s actions “gave the lie” to Fr Sheehy’s statement, the judge said.

    Foley, who had been celebrating his 34th birthday on the night of the offence, had denied the charge. He told gardaí he had “found your wan” after he had gone to relieve himself near a skip at 3.50am. However CCTV footage showed him carrying her to the skip area. It also emerged he had met her earlier in a nightclub.

    Judge McDonagh said the offence was at the middle to upper end of sexual assault. He noted that little or no remorse had been shown, nor any apology given to the victim, “surprisingly in the plea for mitigation”. He ordered that Foley be placed on the sex offenders’ register for life.

    Apologies if this has been posted before.

    This just makes me sick, and for me it's the cherry on the top of a heap of fraudulent and criminal acts which are applauded in Ireland. People like Michael Lowry, Padraig Flynn, that councillor who got the council to pay for a fence around his farm - they've all been re-elected with landslides, with people saying "ah shure, nothing wrong with that".

    Now they're ****ing hugging a fella with tears in their eyes as he's about to be sentenced for a sexual assault. What ****ing planet are these guys living on?!

    This forum is littered with threads discussing behaviour that resemebles this. Ireland needs to take a good hard look at itself and decide if this is the country she really wants to be.

    /rant





    Mod Warning:

    All references to the guy being a rapist will be removed. He hasn't been convicted of rape but a sexual attack. To imply otherwise is libelous.

    Also do not post facebook links unless they are your own.
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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Noffles


    Idiots... utter IDIOTS.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Bandit12


    I'm not surprised in the slightest and that's the worrying thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Victor McDade


    He'll get what's coming.

    Don't drop the soap! No, wait, drop it every day you ****


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Wow, what a way we're matured into a modern thinking society.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    Rabble rabble rabble...


    [/generic opinion for whatever viewpoint the thread is swinging in]


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    :(


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Vorsprung wrote: »
    This forum is littered with threads discussing behaviour that resemebles this. Ireland needs to take a good hard look at itself and decide if this is the country she really wants to be.

    /rant

    This hardly represents all of Ireland, it is clear there are some VERY serious issues in that community when they backup a man convicted of sexual assult proven by CCTV footage but yet they are not supportive of the women in the community.

    Yet another nail for the catholic church as well....supporting the criminal instead of the victim.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭R0ot


    Right well I have no idea about this case or anything but small communities can be right some times. I am no advocating sexual assault however did you ever consider the court might have gotten it wrong?
    I'm not saying that he is innocent as again I'm not familiar with the case. For all you know she may have made lots of other claims against other people before this and this was the one she was able to prove more evidence that he could.
    News just in sometimes the innocent go to jail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭eirmail


    He is a bouncer in a night club . More than likely he will still be a bouncer in the same night club when he gets out.
    The lads just want him to remember they backed him so that he will let them in to the club after a session of pints.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,767 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Cute hoorism and getting one up on the system is a way of life in Ireland and is applauded. It's sad but that's the way it is. Although this brings things to a new low.


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  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,744 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Something is rotten in the state of Ireland alright... Who in their right mind would name their child Donagh McDonagh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭zeppe


    Before passing sentence, the judge criticised a character statement made by Castlegregory parish priest Fr Seán Sheehy. The priest had said Foley was always “respectful of women”, but Foley’s actions “gave the lie” to Fr Sheehy’s statement, the judge said.

    So, the f**kin church get involved too. Dont even start me on them.
    Sure we're a great little country..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭overexcitedaj


    what the hell is this ? People from Tralee and listowel are sympathising with a man who sexualy asualted a woman. He is shown on cctv carrying her to that area yet he says he only found he there ?. WTF has happened to this country.
    I actually cant figure this one out :confused:


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    R0ot wrote: »
    Right well I have no idea about this case or anything but small communities can be right some times. I am no advocating sexual assault however did you ever consider the court might have gotten it wrong?
    I'm not saying that he is innocent as again I'm not familiar with the case. For all you know she may have made lots of other claims against other people before this and this was the one she was able to prove more evidence that he could.
    News just in sometimes the innocent go to jail.

    He is seen on CCTV carrying her body to the dumpster, you thinkl this didn't happen?

    It doesn't matter if she made previous false claims this is a actual fact


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    I am amazed at this - first the church wades in - and we all know their track record now and then he gets all the aul cronnies shaking his hand before he is led away??? I mean really what has happened here.

    This and the case from the north with the 18mt old child - surely it is time to look again at how badly off the rails this country has gone and what can be done about it.

    Trying not to turn this into a rant against everything - but this article really really sickens me. Pure scum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Wouldn't be the first time a priest supported a rapist.

    It's very parochial old-Ireland stuff - don't say a bad word against the local GAA hero or some other similar bull****.

    The population of Meen should be ashamed of themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭neilthefunkeone


    seamus wrote: »
    Wouldn't be the first time a priest supported a rapist.

    Someone should bring the priest around the back of a dumpster and see if he changes his tune.. Sick bas*ards...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    edit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Vorsprung wrote: »

    This forum is littered with threads discussing behaviour that resemebles this.

    /rant

    It is?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/1217/1224260840003.html
    DOZENS of people queued inside a Co Kerry courthouse yesterday to shake hands and sympathise with a man who was jailed for five years for sexually assaulting a woman in Listowel.

    Danny Foley (35), a nightclub bouncer, Meen, Listowel, was sentenced to seven years with the final two suspended by Judge Donagh McDonagh in the Circuit Criminal Court in Tralee. He had been found guilty two weeks ago of sexually assaulting a woman who was discovered by a Garda patrol in a semi-conscious state and naked from the waist down alongside a skip in a car park early on June 15th, 2008.

    In her victim impact statement, the woman spoke of being “judged” in north Kerry, but said she was not sorry for telling the truth. Everyone in Listowel knew who she was, despite the press respecting her anonymity, she said.

    “Even though my name has never been mentioned in the press, Listowel is not a big town and everyone knows it’s me,” the woman said. “I feel as if people are judging me the whole time. I’ve been asked by people I know if I am sorry for bringing Dan Foley to court. I am not sorry for it. All I did was tell the truth.”

    About 50 people, mostly middle-aged and elderly men, queued yesterday to shake hands with the convicted man and hug him tearfully after he was brought from the cell to the dock, before Judge McDonagh entered the courtroom.

    Before passing sentence, the judge criticised a character statement made by Castlegregory parish priest Fr Seán Sheehy. The priest had said Foley was always “respectful of women”, but Foley’s actions “gave the lie” to Fr Sheehy’s statement, the judge said.

    Foley, who had been celebrating his 34th birthday on the night of the offence, had denied the charge. He told gardaí he had “found your wan” after he had gone to relieve himself near a skip at 3.50am. However CCTV footage showed him carrying her to the skip area. It also emerged he had met her earlier in a nightclub.

    Judge McDonagh said the offence was at the middle to upper end of sexual assault. He noted that little or no remorse had been shown, nor any apology given to the victim, “surprisingly in the plea for mitigation”. He ordered that Foley be placed on the sex offenders’ register for life.

    WTF?? :confused::confused:

    When I read the headline I assumed the man had been falsely accused or something.

    I can't believe some people would actually sympathize with this guy. The poor woman is the victim here, to actually have the guts to go through with the case even in such a small town, and now she's made to feel like the bad guy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭tribulus


    Wow, genuinely shocked this sort of carry on still goes on. There obviously still are people or maybe even whole small areas with a seriously backward/f*cked up way of thinking.

    I can almost imagine how it is there. The woman is possibly known for getting around and then she finally gets what's coming to her* and all the backward, repressed folk are delighted....uuuggh.



    *looking at it from their possible view, certainly not my view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Already a thread about this here.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    This is part of the same country we all live in, we should all share the shame of these actions. A truly disgusting act. The two things that struck me are that surely there was a garda in the courtroom who should have stopped any "interference" with the guilty party and what a surprise to see the local priest come out and defend a man guilty of a crime of a sexual nature. It must be in the first rule of fight priest club??! :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    Taltos wrote: »
    This and the case from the north with the 18mt old child - surely it is time to look again at how badly off the rails this country has gone and what can be done about it.

    Does the fact that these nutcases are being caught, arrested and prosecuted not say something?
    As soon as a sexual abuse conviction hits the paper the masses seem to get very uppity about "the state of the country these days"..

    Have you any idea how low the conviction rate for sexual abuse crimes is in this country???
    I love hearing about stories like this. It means that somebody got judged (hopefully correctly) and punished. It means that the system is working.

    It's all of the failed convictions on technicalities, unreported cases and botched convictions that I'd worry about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Intothesea


    Vorsprung durch Rücksichtnahme. Meen, Listowel sounds like an ideal spot for a reality-TV version of Deliverance, though the protagonists would have nowhere to escape to ;)

    ETA: is the tearful commiseration not indicative of a community that's likely to resist putting the righteous finger on one of its own?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,043 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    I'm not shocked, I am sickened but sadly I am not shocked.

    http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/
    16 Dec 2009
    Listowel man sentenced to seven years for sexual assault

    A Listowel man has been sentenced to seven years for sexually assaulting a woman. 35 year old Danny Foley, from Meen, Listowel, was found guilty earlier this month of the offence which took place in a town centre carpark on June 15th 2008.

    The incident took place after the pair had left a nightclub. Mr Foley denied the charge saying sexual activity between the pair was consensual. In her victim impact statement, the woman told the court the sexual assault had led her to have suicidal thoughts on several occasions. She said she didn't hate Mr Foley as a person but hated what he had done to her.

    In handing down sentence Judge Donagh McDonagh dismissed character witnesses including Fr Sean Sheehy who said Mr Foley didn't have an abusive bone in his body. The judge said Mr Foley had commenced a web of lies about the incident from the moment he was discovered by Gardai, kneeling over the semi-conscious woman who was naked from the waist down. He added no reasonable man could believe a woman, who had earlier complained of feeling sick from drink, could consent to sexual activity.

    Around 50 family members and friends of Danny Foley were in court to hear Judge McDonagh hand down a seven year sentence - the final two of which were suspended. Mr Foley was also placed on the sex offenders register for life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,043 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Wazdakka wrote: »
    Does the fact that these nutcases are being caught, arrested and prosecuted not say something?
    As soon as a sexual abuse conviction hits the paper the masses seem to get very uppity about "the state of the country these days"..

    Have you any idea how low the conviction rate for sexual abuse crimes is in this country???
    I love hearing about stories like this. It means that somebody got judged (hopefully correctly) and punished. It means that the system is working.

    It's all of the failed convictions on technicalities, unreported cases and botched convictions that I'd worry about.

    You mean that only 1 on 5 victims will so to the sexual assault unit.
    Only 20% of them will report to the garda.
    Only 5% of cases garda build are prosecuted by the Dept of public prosecution.
    and only 7% of cases prosecuted result in a conviction and the attitude of juries plays a large part in this and until we stop blaming the victims in this country and take a hard line on what is consent and what is not ( lack of saying no is not consent or being too drunk to consent ) this will go on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭sparkling sea


    This reaction is the very reson why so many women and men do not report the fact that they have been sexual assualted or raped. This then allows the rest of society to think that the incidents of these types of attacks are low.

    You'd wonder if this was a once off, given that this guy was a bouncer and possible had other opportunities to attack other drunken women.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    This is sickening. The guy was proven to be lying by CCTV images. He was found guilty unanimously.

    It's f*cking disgraceful that knuckle-dragging f*ckwads like him are being hugged by 50 men before being sentenced. The only good thing to come out of this is that he's going to jail.

    That priest on Newstalk this morning was a complete fool. Using the word 'alleged' when the man had been convicted as if there was still some doubt.

    F*ck you Padre.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭granturismo


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Already a thread about this here.

    Links to this thread. Were you trying to link to the Ladies Lounge thread where one poster suggested that the criminal's mother organised the queue of handshakers and huggers before the judge entered the court.


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