Question about choice of optics?

Flecktarn · 12-12-2009 01:22AM #1

I'm looking to get a new optic for my AEG's. I've been looking at getting a ACOG or Eotech.

TBH honest I can't see why the Eotech is so expensive
is it not just a glorified red dot,
so I'd be kinda inclined to go for the ACOG although the Eotech is fairly Gucci.

Anyone care to elaborate?

Cheers!

hightower1 · 12-12-2009 02:02AM

TBH I always thought the same? I mean I am sure the quality is better with no ghosting and build quality but quality has to be at the right price ya know? Especially considering my life aint going to be depending on the sight why would you pay x3 times the amount for an eotech. Same with the magpul stuff sure, its shocking prices for what is cheaper to manufacture than metal parts but they charge people more for the name than what your actually getting.

Quality is top of the list but price should be in line with that. I wouldnt mind paying 30% / 40% more for better quality on ANYTHING but when their talking 300% more then it gets to be a joke. Its why magpul are so vicious about getting knock off stuff off the market, they know all thats in the diff is marginal quality improvement and more so their name. Ask any of the guys who got the china made UBR stock.

Flecktarn · 12-12-2009 01:08PM

Amen to that Hightower, from my understanding Magpul stuff is so dear because of the the Magpul logo on their goods. Think of it as designer clothes you can pay up to 4 times the amount and sometimes only to have it with the designer logo!

tonyj_mc · 12-12-2009 01:27PM

Flecktarn wrote: »

I'm looking to get a new optic for my AEG's. I've been looking at getting a ACOG or Eotech.

TBH honest I can't see why the Eotech is so expensive
is it not just a glorified red dot,
so I'd be kinda inclined to go for the ACOG although the Eotech is fairly Gucci.

Anyone care to elaborate?

Cheers!

I use both depending on the aeg, although I mainly use the acog on my sr16 as it looks more issue than an eotech that being said the eotech is a cracking piece if kit if you can down to a site or shop and try both out

Flecktarn · 12-12-2009 01:54PM

tonyj_mc wrote: »

I use both depending on the aeg, although I mainly use the acog on my sr16 as it looks more issue than an eotech that being said the eotech is a cracking piece if kit if you can down to a site or shop and try both out

Yeah I was thinking I might need to try them both out. Just wondering what size roughly would the recticle be in a Eotech?

Phractal · 12-12-2009 02:14PM

My memory is a bit fuzzy but the EoTech I used had a funny reticle. It did not appear to be a dot, more like something from a FPS. It was extremely crisp and clear, a beauty to use.

tonyj_mc · 12-12-2009 03:11PM

I think maybe 6 mm or so on my one its a dot with a circle around it its been a while since used it, one thing to think about is batterys a lot of red dots use the small watch batterys like lr44s which can be annoying to get and expensive in ireland, I went through all my sights and ordered like 10 sets of batts from ebay for them. Some of the eo techs uses aa or aaa so you could always use recghargable ones

Witcher · 12-12-2009 03:28PM

Eotechs are a much clearer sight that an Aimpoint for example, much better field of view through it, I'll never buy another type of sight again if I can help it, they aren't that pricey, I've 2 of the EBB €30 ish ones and they're great. I've only had a look through a "red dot" ACOG so I can't really say much about it as a better quality one would be nicer than the one I seen, but I'd go with the Eotech personally.

Firekitten · 12-12-2009 04:37PM

Flecktarn wrote: »

I'm looking to get a new optic for my AEG's. I've been looking at getting a ACOG or Eotech.

TBH honest I can't see why the Eotech is so expensive
is it not just a glorified red dot,
so I'd be kinda inclined to go for the ACOG although the Eotech is fairly Gucci.

Anyone care to elaborate?

Cheers!

first off... *slap* stop with the gucci... :P

The big difference is that in the real sight, the eotech is a holosight, it has features that make it really sucessful... hence its favour. It's main advantage is its a reflex sight by any other name... One can snap shoot through it, and when looking through with both eyes open (harder with a tube sight) there is less loss in the field of vision, thus you're more effective.

Acog is good for a marksman type role, as its a 4x zoom, red dots are generally good for mid distance, but eotechs, reflexes and other holosights are PERFECT for cqb.

DICEMAN7 · 12-12-2009 06:34PM

tonyj_mc wrote: »

I think maybe 6 mm or so on my one its a dot with a circle around it its been a while since used it, one thing to think about is batterys a lot of red dots use the small watch batterys like lr44s which can be annoying to get and expensive in ireland, I went through all my sights and ordered like 10 sets of batts from ebay for them. Some of the eo techs uses aa or aaa so you could always use recghargable ones

you can get 10 lr44 batteries for 2euro in the euro shops,

Phractal · 12-12-2009 09:55PM

Actually on the question of optics. I am planning on getting a 3x magnification tube thingy with a scope mount that allows it to flip to the side, out of the way, and then plonk a clone EoTech in front of it. I have been told Its kinda a 'best of both' solution, allowing the change from mid range/spotter to CQB in half a second or so. Is there any bad side to this setup? Is it destined to fail miserably? I hope not... It looks and seems perfect for the Spotter/ occasional DMR type playing while allowing CQB

Firekitten · 12-12-2009 11:24PM

I've seen those on clone eotechs before... they tend to zoom the reticle a little due to not being a true holosight. Frankly though, 4x zoom is really only helpful if you're taking on a marksman/ DM role, for about 1j, its next to useless beside spotting. Indoors? its a downright hinderance imo.

Phractal · 13-12-2009 01:10AM

Well... I will try it to see if it works out. If not, I will get a 4x ACOG for DMR type stuff. Planning to visit the UK this summer, going to look into a visit to Sennybridge, heard it is SERIOUS. Off topic, but is it possible for me to take my gear across to the UK on a Ferry in my rucksack?

Dread-Lock · 13-12-2009 06:34AM

I have an Aimpoint and an Aimpoint magnifier on a flip to side mount and I love it. Used it for the first time yesterday (as I only got it on Friday) and I'm extremely happy with it.

And yeah you'll be able to bring your gear across on the ferry. But your guns will have to be in a locked case and you will have to check them in with the harbour police before you get on the ferry.

Firekitten · 13-12-2009 06:52AM

Phractal wrote: »

Well... I will try it to see if it works out. If not, I will get a 4x ACOG for DMR type stuff. Planning to visit the UK this summer, going to look into a visit to Sennybridge, heard it is SERIOUS. Off topic, but is it possible for me to take my gear across to the UK on a Ferry in my rucksack?

Sennybridge is my local cqb site

Gunswise and ferries... Irish Ferries and Stenafail both take them... I had a minor issue at Holyhead port with a bulldog of a security woman who decided her rules flew... and i wasnt allowed them. The ferry rules are so...

1: Always ring and check before hand, and get rules confirmation, and someones name. (You may want this later)
2: Always declare them on arrival.
3: Car... no problem, port police will probably want to check, but do so, be helpful, and its over fast...
4: Foot passengers? same check... I had great fun being whisked past the long check in cue, signed in ahead of 50 people, walked past the metal detectors with a police escort... makes a girl feel special

They check it the same... simples... Now heres where it goes hinky... Depending on order of the day, it HAS to be checked in. Generally the first mate will come down, pick it up, and take the gunbag to storage on the bridge. you get this back at docking on the other side.
5: always be honest.
6: Try not to drink around them... even though you can.
7:If in doubt, know the rules, and use them... remember that name I told you to remember? When some muppet decides that its thier day to be king, slap them round the face with the name, and the rules, and the permission till they either get sick of being slapped with the facts, or die of rage: Either way, you win.

MindPhuck · 13-12-2009 10:53AM

ive got an eotech. its a very nice bit of kit.

- its essentially a circle with an cross through it.
- two choices of colour, red and green.
- one can decide on the brightness of it too by using up and down arrows.
- the crosshair can be adjusted up and down, left and right by some screws on the side of it.
- uses normal aa batteries.
- its sexy as bits of kits go.

i still havnt fully got used to it to be perfectly honest. however, its great for cqb stuff letting you get the crosshair on the target quickly.

i also use my original iron sights with mine - unsure if one is meant to use them with the eotech - but feels better, looks good, and i love the line of sight one gets. using both kinda gives me the best of both worlds for close combat and long range.

the main reason i like it is because it reminds me of online gaming - its the same crosshair type i like

heres a few pics taken from my phone. it will give you an idea i hope

Phractal · 13-12-2009 01:33PM

Thanks for the advice as to how to get my gear across. I love the way you put in all the ways around the annoying people. Now to get a proper rifle case... I had hoped I could just stuff it in the gearbag :P. And :O metal detectors on a ferry? With Britanny Ferries we had no such thing- just roll on, roll off. Nobody cared what was in your car/bag. Guns, bombs, drugs... Nobody bothered searching. I found that rather amusing. So, rifle case, phone ahead, kill them with names...

Flecktarn · 13-12-2009 03:14PM

MindPhuck wrote: »

ive got an eotech. its a very nice bit of kit.

- its essentially a circle with an cross through it.
- two choices of colour, red and green.
- one can decide on the brightness of it too by using up and down arrows.
- the crosshair can be adjusted up and down, left and right by some screws on the side of it.
- uses normal aa batteries.
- its sexy as bits of kits go.

i still havnt fully got used to it to be perfectly honest. however, its great for cqb stuff letting you get the crosshair on the target quickly.

i also use my original iron sights with mine - unsure if one is meant to use them with the eotech - but feels better, looks good, and i love the line of sight one gets. using both kinda gives me the best of both worlds for close combat and long range.

the main reason i like it is because it reminds me of online gaming - its the same crosshair type i like

heres a few pics taken from my phone. it will give you an idea i hope

Cheers MindPhuck, can I ask where you got your Eotech?

Phractal · 13-12-2009 03:30PM

Well, Eirsoft, MIA (I think) and probably many others have them. Ehobby have many types. I have asked Tony to get me a quote on some Ehobby kit, I am buying the extra accessory parts for my G36c in increments- hopefully it wont work out too expensive. I wonder is it worth my while going for the cheaper clone EoTechs or should I shell out the 95 euro on one- I had hoped to save enough to buy a KWA Glock 17 before my 18th. Oh and how clear do you all find your EoTechs? The last closed tube dot I had was AWFUL

Firekitten · 13-12-2009 04:37PM

Phractal wrote: »

Thanks for the advice as to how to get my gear across. I love the way you put in all the ways around the annoying people. Now to get a proper rifle case... I had hoped I could just stuff it in the gearbag :P. And :O metal detectors on a ferry? With Britanny Ferries we had no such thing- just roll on, roll off. Nobody cared what was in your car/bag. Guns, bombs, drugs... Nobody bothered searching. I found that rather amusing. So, rifle case, phone ahead, kill them with names...

Well the detectors are in the terminal for foot passengers...

MindPhuck wrote: »

i also use my original iron sights with mine - unsure if one is meant to use them with the eotech - but feels better, looks good, and i love the line of sight one gets. using both kinda gives me the best of both worlds for close combat and long range.

Yes you are... it's called 'cowitnessing' basically means your irons and 1x zoom optic are viewable through the tube. Good tactic tbh, i use it a lot in bright sunlight.

Phractal · 13-12-2009 05:35PM

Seems that they consider foot passengers a threat then. And co-witnessing means if the dot fails you Still have sights

Firekitten · 13-12-2009 05:56PM

Phractal wrote: »

Seems that they consider foot passengers a threat then. And co-witnessing means if the dot fails you Still have sights

No, Co witnessing means your irons and dot are aligned, what you use it for is entirely your call. In bright sunny conditions, especially the middle east, its used to be able to sight under conditions that wash out the dot.

MindPhuck · 13-12-2009 06:22PM

Flecktarn wrote: »

Cheers MindPhuck, can I ask where you got your Eotech?

course. got it from mr. T in eirsoft. 90-95 bucks. also there is a slightly different shorter version to the one im using, think it comes in at about 60-65 bills.

Firekitten wrote: »

Yes you are... it's called 'cowitnessing' basically means your irons and 1x zoom optic are viewable through the tube. Good tactic tbh, i use it a lot in bright sunlight.

thanks!
yeah i noticed that alright, in the sunlight, with the eotech, you dont get washed out and can still see your target with the crosshair.

Flecktarn · 13-12-2009 07:37PM

Does anyone know where to get an Eotech 552 not 551? MIA and Eirsoft only stock the smaller 551.

Phractal · 13-12-2009 07:50PM

Firekitten: I know that... Just I was pointing out a secondary advantage of co-witnessing

Its a bit like the EBS on an ACOG, an insurance policy in case of optics failure. Its also good for if dot is washed out, etc.

Witcher · 13-12-2009 07:53PM

Flecktarn wrote: »

Does anyone know where to get an Eotech 552 not 551? MIA and Eirsoft only stock the smaller 551.

Ebaybanned have them, I bought a 552 from them and I love it, I also bought a 551 which is in the Phoenix Park at the moment.:rolleyes:

Flecktarn · 13-12-2009 08:06PM

Blay wrote: »

Ebaybanned have them, I bought a 552 from them and I love it, I also bought a 551 which is in the Phoenix Park at the moment.:rolleyes:

Thing is though I don't trust them chancers at all and I need it for christmas.

Firekitten · 14-12-2009 02:48AM

Phractal wrote: »

Firekitten: I know that... Just I was pointing out a secondary advantage of co-witnessing

Its a bit like the EBS on an ACOG, an insurance policy in case of optics failure. Its also good for if dot is washed out, etc.

Uh.... Dot.... acog? pft, fakes suck.... Acogs are 4x telescopic scopes.... the electronic backup is pretty pointless if its too bright, hence why i stick to the TA01NSN models... irons arent effected by brightness.

Flecktarn: Fat chance hon, Ordering from ANYWHERE In HK to get before christmas wont happen. HK post also stops international post soon... Also, Ebb are ok i find, not 'chancers' by any stretch.

Phractal · 14-12-2009 01:46PM

Well I guess the proper ACOG is the correct way to go, however the fake electronic dot one is often more affordable to the person on a real tight budget (Its really a dot sight that looks like an ACOG I suppose). The proper 4x one looks decent, I like it! I may end up putting one on the G36c

Stonewolf · 14-12-2009 02:00PM

Here's a stupid question, on a flip to the side setup, why put the red dot/holo/reflex/whatever after the magnification, wouldn't it be better to put it before the magnification so that the reticule isn't magnified?

evilrobotshane · 14-12-2009 02:11PM

There'd be no seeing down those scopes if your eye was a full sight's distance from them. The magnification isn't really a problem, anyway.

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