All Estate Names to be in Irish

PirateShampoo · 05-12-2009 08:54PM

No-one is Anti Irish, we are just Anti government, wasting money on pointless schemes which only make life difficult. Theres better things to spend this money on which can make people lives easier.

And i cant remember the last time i heard anyone speaking Irish.

Baile an Locha · 05-12-2009 09:00PM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Theres better things to spend this money on which can make people lives easier.

And i cant remember the last time i heard anyone speaking Irish.

Yeah i agree,some of the money spent on the irish language is spent in ways that dont really help but it does need to be promoted.

smk89 · 05-12-2009 09:00PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

Brilliant idea. There should be a greater push, to encourage the language more.

Why? Given the choice between Irish and German dont you think German should win because its is actually used in the real (buisness) world. I dont believe Irish should be encouraged it is effectively dead.

Another example of this whole pushing Irish thing is in the UCD library where each announcement is made twice in english and then once in irish, if you dont get it the first 2 times you have very little chance getting it the third

Four-Percent · 05-12-2009 09:04PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

No it won't.

Eh... yeah it will.

Or are you going to ban people saying the name of their new estate?

Asmodean · 05-12-2009 09:06PM

I think it's a fantastic idea. It's our culture/heritage and national language whether we choose to use it or not. I can't speak it much myself which I am honestly a bit peeved off about, should have listened more in school. You hear the people of polish origin etc speaking with their home tongues all the time while us Irish are ****ting all over our culture.

ZzubZzub · 05-12-2009 09:08PM

I love the Irish language, I wish I was fluent and I wish it had a larger role in modern Ireland, but unfortunately it doesn't. It is dying out, the way it is taught is atrocious, and in no way promotes speaking it regularly.

Still, I think naming estates in Irish is nice. Kinda quaint! Same with naming pubs, cafés etc as gaeilge!

Asmodean · 05-12-2009 09:12PM

You honestly can't blame the way it is taught though, unless you have personally encountered every teacher in the country. Just as with any subject, I'm sure there are some terrible people out there teaching it. What way would you propose to ensure it is taught in a better fashion. It's very close-minded to speculate that "no-one speaks Irish anymore" just because you haven't heard anyone beside you speaking the language. There are whole communities that still rely on the language

kowloon · 05-12-2009 09:13PM

I'm all for another scheme to force a language on people in order to make them hate it more. At this rate the language will be completely dead in two generations.

Seriously though, pushing the language so heavily is having not having a positive effect.

Run_to_da_hills · 05-12-2009 09:13PM

Will these new as Gaeilge laws apply to halting sites?

starbelgrade · 05-12-2009 09:13PM

Asmodean wrote: »

There are whole communities that still rely on the language

And get nice government grants for it.

starbelgrade · 05-12-2009 09:14PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Will these new as Gaeilge laws apply to halting sites?

No laws apply to halting sites.

Asmodean · 05-12-2009 09:14PM

And get nice government grants for it.

Is that meant to sound condescending or genuine?

mikemac · 05-12-2009 09:15PM

They've been doing this in Galway for the last ten years at least.
Worked well there and it'll work fine in other counties

kowloon wrote: »

I'm all for another scheme to force a language on people in order to make them hate it more.

It is just to name estates, in fact it doesn't cost any money at all! Of course there are wasteful schemes in existence but this isn't one of them. Did you hear complaints about this from Galway?
I'd rather see Irish names then "Tuscany Downs" :rolleyes: or other such crap that exists in Ireland

Buceph · 05-12-2009 09:16PM

Asmodean wrote: »

There are whole communities that still rely on the language

No they don't. I rely on English because I can't communicate with the people around me in any other language. I'm fairly certain the people in the Gaeltacht can all speak English.

Of course as has been brought up, there's plenty of incentive for them to speak Irish; grants, TG4 jobs and translating every ****ing EU paper into Irish. What a waste.

yellow belly du · 05-12-2009 09:16PM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

No-one is Anti Irish, we are just Anti government, wasting money on pointless schemes which only make life difficult. Theres better things to spend this money on which can make people lives easier.

This was not the government's decision, it was Dublin City Council's decision. The naming of new housing estates has already been successful in Galway City and Navan.

How would this make your life more difficult?

Plus, unlike some unnescessary waste of tax payers money on Irish, this scheme is basically money free!

Four-Percent · 05-12-2009 09:18PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Hardly anyone who lives outside of a Gaeltacht has.

Anyone who has ever been to a gaeltacht has, anyone who has accidently turned the telly to TG4 has, and anyone who has accidently stuck on RNaG has. Not to mention the people who actually do these things on purpose :O

partyatmygaff wrote: »

In schools, thanks to the points race, all that anyone is taught is how to memorise pre-written essays for poetry and prose. If it were taught like French for example maybe some people may be atleast able to hold a conversation in Irish (Not that there is any reason to hold a conversation in Irish).

Maybe if, thanks to this self-same points race, you made an effort for your Irish oral you'd be able to hold a conversation in Irish. But then, you'd have to listen to Irish being spoken properly for that so I suppose that's not an option for ya

partyatmygaff wrote: »

There should be basic Irish taught like French in the Leaving Cert and an optional subject called Irish Literature or something.

Hm, that's not a bad idea actually. Although it shouldn't be basic Irish since people have been learning it since junior infants.The standard should be markedly higher than LC French/German/Spanish if the literature section would be dropped. Maybe just make the exam one paper?

partyatmygaff wrote: »

In schools, thanks to the points race, all that anyone is taught is how to memorise pre-written essays for poetry and prose.

it's the same in english for so many people too. What are you trying to say here? Oral and Aural work (Giggidy

) are important in the curriculum too.I had one oral class, one aural class and maybe 4 written classes a week back in the day.Pre-written essays were hardly "All that anyone is taught", and in any case they are a fantastic way of improving vocabulary and fluency (in any language)

kowloon · 05-12-2009 09:18PM

Perhaps we could just let people name places what they want to name them, if they want to call new estates by Polish names that's fine by me.

I would see this as a subtle form of social engineering.

Four-Percent · 05-12-2009 09:20PM

Iris Cool Wineglass wrote: »

it's a fúcking stupid ugly language, i don't want to have to speak it.
pardon my ignorance Irish government.

What makes it "Stupid"? Not enough big words for you?

kowloon · 05-12-2009 09:20PM

yellow belly du wrote: »

How would this make your more difficult?

On the other hand, why bother doing it at all? That definiitely wouldn't make anything more difficult and would require zero money.

partyatmygaff · 05-12-2009 09:21PM

Asmodean wrote: »

You honestly can't blame the way it is taught though, unless you have personally encountered every teacher in the country. Just as with any subject, I'm sure there are some terrible people out there teaching it. What way would you propose to ensure it is taught in a better fashion. It's very close-minded to speculate that "no-one speaks Irish anymore" just because you haven't heard anyone beside you speaking the language. There are whole communities that still rely on the language

I've never seen that outside of a Gaeltacht and even then it only gets smaller and smaller.
I amn't anti-irish, Its just the fact that the Irish you learn in school is completely and utterly useless outside of an exam. Atleast in european languages (like french/german e.t.c.) they are taught without introducing poetry and the like. Just pure grammar and vocabulary and functional writing. A huge amount of time is wasted learning off poetry, prose and drama. Most people just learn off pre-written essays made about a month before their exams that have been written using help from their teacher and a dictionary. That is definitley not the way to learn how to speak a language.

Asmodean · 05-12-2009 09:23PM

You raise some good points there and I agree with you completely. I don't even speak the language myself but I just can't stand the sheer ignorance of people spouting off about how 'its a ****ing ****e language' with such ridiculously juvenile arguments.

30txsbzmcu2k9w · 05-12-2009 09:23PM

Four-Percent wrote: »

What makes it "Stupid"? Not enough big words for you?

translating words like television to teilifís. that's what makes it stupid.

Four-Percent · 05-12-2009 09:24PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

A huge amount of time is wasted learning off poetry, prose and drama. Most people just learn off pre-written essays made about a month before their exams that have been written using help from their teacher and a dictionary. That is definitley not the way to learn how to speak a language.

How do you know this anyway?Are you not in TY?

Rayne · 05-12-2009 09:24PM

What annoys me about this is that they're just throwing two irish words together and making a new 'name' out of it!

Its all over Galway...

yellow belly du · 05-12-2009 09:24PM

kowloon wrote: »

On the other hand, why bother doing it at all? That definiitely wouldn't make anything more difficult and would require zero money.

It is raising awareness for our national language while bringing back the use of Irish, even if only a few words, back into daily life. Im also not seeing how this would cost money.

ejmaztec · 05-12-2009 09:25PM

Something else to fuck with the satnav.

dlofnep · 05-12-2009 09:26PM

Great move, but this is kinda already in place. Most new estates I've seen are all in Irish.

ZzubZzub · 05-12-2009 09:27PM

Asmodean wrote: »

You honestly can't blame the way it is taught though, unless you have personally encountered every teacher in the country. Just as with any subject, I'm sure there are some terrible people out there teaching it. What way would you propose to ensure it is taught in a better fashion. It's very close-minded to speculate that "no-one speaks Irish anymore" just because you haven't heard anyone beside you speaking the language. There are whole communities that still rely on the language

Yes there are, and unfortunately are in the minority.

It's the syllabus that's bad. The teachers do a great job of teaching the syllabus but that's where it ends. There should be, as someone has said, an option for Irish Literature for example. The way it is taught, again - the syllabus - does not encourage people to speak it in every day life. It is just learning the prós, poetry and key phrases for the oral.

For people in the Gaeltacht, I think they are very lucky and it is the families and communities that are keeping the language alive.

As the years have rolled on, and Ireland is more urban/commercial/whatever, it has started to die out on the larger scale. People who used to speak it don't bother carrying on the tradition with their family and so on.

In my humble opinion.

dlofnep · 05-12-2009 09:29PM

Iris Cool Wineglass wrote: »

translating words like television to teilifís. that's what makes it stupid.

Eh, not really.. Considering Television is a mixture of two languages (Greek and Latin).

Television in spanish? televisión

Television in croatian? televizija

Television in french? télévision

Television in finnish? televisio

So how exactly is translating television into teilifís anymore stupid than the above?

Four-Percent · 05-12-2009 09:29PM

Iris Cool Wineglass wrote: »

translating words like television to teilifís. that's what makes it stupid.

The french for television is télévision.

edit: Doh!

All Estate Names to be in Irish

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