Joseph Moshe - Arrested in LA by FBI for Going Public about Vaccine

30-11-2009 10:23PM

squod wrote: »

I've already siad this, if you're not gonna read my post then bluddy well stop asking me to respond to yours. You have obviously not read even one of my posts. Believe what you like. :rolleyes:

I have read your posts.
I'm asking you to clarify which "live viruses" where you referring to?

If you were referring to the ones in the current vaccine then they are meant to be there, they are what make the vaccine work.

If you are referring to a virus found in the supposed victims of this virus then I'd love to see a source.

If you are referring to the contaminated vaccines from way back when, you should know very well that the current vaccine is not the same one.

So my other points aren;t valid or something?

Diogenes · 30-11-2009 10:42PM

squod wrote: »

Already posted. As I've said if you're not gonna read my posts.............

I have, I'd like a better source than foodconsumer.org?

No comments on Russia Today? No comment the secret service having less than 4,000 special agents?

squod · 30-11-2009 10:44PM

Diogenes wrote: »

I'd like a better source than foodconsumer.org?

Then go find one!

Diogenes · 30-11-2009 10:48PM

I can't find one. I guess it's nonsense then. Shall we move on?

squod · 30-11-2009 10:52PM

Diogenes wrote: »

I can't find one. I guess it's nonsense then. Shall we move on?

Yes you should move on!

squod · 30-11-2009 10:54PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU

Still no security checks in place in Austria, even after the Baxter scandal.
Greek police refuse to take vaccine.

6th · 30-11-2009 11:09PM

Lads, leave your handbags (and rolleyes smilies) at the door.

Diogenes · 30-11-2009 11:13PM

squod wrote: »

Still no security checks in place in Austria, even after the Baxter scandal.
Greek police refuse to take vaccine.

Jane Burgermeister has been repeatedly shown as a fraud on this and other swine flu threads.

squod · 30-11-2009 11:21PM

Diogenes wrote: »

Jane Burgermeister has been repeatedly shown as a fraud on this and other swine flu threads.

Go on then, present your argument and your evidence. Then we'll have a debate.

Diogenes · 30-11-2009 11:24PM

squod wrote: »

Go on then, present your argument and your evidence. Then we'll have a debate.

squod wrote:

Already posted. As I've said if you're not gonna read posts.............

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01-12-2009 01:00AM

Squod, are you suggesting that we should trust Jane Burgermiester?
Why exactly?

Seems to me that she has alot to gain from spreading misinformation.

Or to stay on topic maybe someone should show that the Joseph Moshe that was arrested made any claims about anything.

All the evidence so far shown indicates that the claim was not made by Joseph Moshe at all but rather some random guy on the internet.

Why does everyone keep thinking that Joseph Moshe made the prediction?

macshadow · 01-12-2009 01:32AM

King Mob wrote: »

Squod, are you suggesting that we should trust Jane Burgermiester?
Why exactly?

Seems to me that she has alot to gain from spreading misinformation.

Or to stay on topic maybe someone should show that the Joseph Moshe that was arrested made any claims about anything.

All the evidence so far shown indicates that the claim was not made by Joseph Moshe at all but rather some random guy on the internet.

Why does everyone keep thinking that Joseph Moshe made the prediction?

What would she have to gain from spreading misinformation?

squod · 01-12-2009 01:34AM

King Mob wrote: »

........someone should show that the Joseph Moshe that was arrested made any claims about anything.

You could do that. Jane Burgermiester has stated that she has taken a case to the FBI and the Austrian authorities and wants them to investigate her allegations. What's wrong with that?

BTW if you distrust so many sources of conspiracy why then do you post on a conspiracy theories website?

macshadow · 01-12-2009 01:34AM

Diogenes wrote: »

Jane Burgermeister has been repeatedly shown as a fraud on this and other swine flu threads.

How has she been shown to be a fraud?

01-12-2009 01:36AM

macshadow wrote: »

What would she have to gain from spreading misinformation?

Books? Hits on her websites? Any particular product she would like to push, speaking engagements and of course interviews.

macshadow · 01-12-2009 01:40AM

King Mob wrote: »

Books? Hits on her websites? Any particular product she would like to push, speaking engagements and of course interviews.

She does not charge for speaking engagements or interviews and she does not have any books to sell. She also lost her job for speaking out about this.

you said she "has" a lot to gain, not she might have a lot to gain.

01-12-2009 01:43AM

squod wrote: »

You could do that.

But I'm not claiming that he did make any claims.

And as far as I can tell the only reference to him making any claims at all comes from the same anonymous and unsupported post that just gets copy pasted everywhere.

squod wrote: »

Jane Burgermiester has stated that she has taken a case to the FBI and the Austrian authorities and wants them to investigate her allegations. What's wrong with that?

And there are lads in Hawaii who brought a case against CERN and the LHC to court.
It has no bearing on the credibility of their claims.

And given some of the dishonest things Jane Burgermiester has stated and the over all lack of evidence for her case, I don't see why anyone let alone courts should take her seriously.

squod wrote: »

BTW if you distrust so many sources of conspiracy why then do you post on a conspiracy theories website?

I don't use conspiracy sites as sources to my claims. I like my claims to be based on evidence.

01-12-2009 01:47AM

macshadow wrote: »

She does not charge for speaking engagements or interviews and she does not have any books to sell. She also lost her job for speaking out about this.

you said she "has" a lot to gain, not she might have a lot to gain.

So she claims. But are you just taking her word for it?

Also she could just be crazy, which is what I think.

And I'm pretty sure she lost her job for filing a ridiculous lawsuit.

squod · 01-12-2009 01:56AM

King Mob wrote: »

.......over all lack of evidence for her case...

What lack of evidence?

macshadow · 01-12-2009 01:59AM

King Mob wrote: »

So she claims. But are you just taking her word for it?

Also she could just be crazy, which is what I think.

And I'm pretty sure she lost her job for filing a ridiculous lawsuit.

No i'm not just taking her word for it, ask her to do an interview and see for yourself.

01-12-2009 02:01AM

squod wrote: »

What lack of evidence?

The fact that most of her claims either lack evidence or are completely misinterpreting evidence.

Just a look at her summary of her case:
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=355&Itemid=56&lang=en
To see fun little non-truths like these (all which have been addressed and debunked on this very form):

Whereas Baxter patented a vaccine for the allegedly new "H1N1" virus in 2008.

H1N1 has symptoms virtually indistinguishable from normal flu, and has never so far been isolated in a lab.

In fact, every year since 1918 would have been Pandemic Level 6 under the WHO's latest definition.

There is scientific evidence the Spanish Flu Pandemic was started by mass vaccinations of soldiers in 1918-1919

And it goes on and on.

01-12-2009 02:04AM

macshadow wrote: »

No i'm not just taking her word for it, ask her to do an interview and see for yourself.

So how do you know that she doesn't charge and that she isn't lying.

You seem oddly trusting of her.

squod · 01-12-2009 02:13AM

Are you trying to suggest that the four European nations investigating this incident should no longer do so. Based on your conjecture alone?

Given Baxters previous statements, I don't believe a word of what you say. Nor, I suspect, will the authorities investigating.

The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses....

On Friday, the company’s director of global bioscience communications confirmed what scientists have suspected. “It was live,” Christopher Bona said in an email.

macshadow · 01-12-2009 02:14AM

King Mob wrote: »

So how do you know that she doesn't charge and that she isn't lying.

You seem oddly trusting of her.

I was at one of her speaking engagements as you would put it, and everyone was told that if they wanted to interview her for paper or tv there would be no charge.

01-12-2009 02:20AM

squod wrote: »

Are you trying to suggest that the four European nations investigating this incident should no longer do so. Based on your conjecture alone?

Given Baxters previous statements, I don't believe a word of what you say. Nor, I suspect, will the authorities investigating.

Hang on now.
I'm talking about Jane Burgermiesters case which is:

There is evidence that shows that there presently exists an international corporate criminal syndicate that, in violation of the RICO Act (18 USC sec 1961-1969), is intent upon embarking upon a cascading event of genocide within the United States, in the UK, and in other countries around the world, most likely in Autumn 2009/Winter2010, using as their weapon an enforced program of toxic vaccines after a deliberate release of a virus to spark a pandemic could immensely profit vaccine companies.

She isn't bring charges against them for the contamination of vaccines in Austria.

The authorities aren't investigating the incident on Burgermeister's insistence.
Nor does her "case" impact in anyway on that investigation.

I never said that the authorities shouldn't investigate the incident in Austria.
Just that tehy shouldn't waste time on Burgermiester's ridiculous lawsuit.

01-12-2009 02:23AM

macshadow wrote: »

I was at one of her speaking engagements as you would put it, and everyone was told that if they wanted to interview her for paper or tv there would be no charge.

Oh okay, you're just taking those guys words for it.

I find it very odd that some people claim that proper scientists are bought off by the government on a regular basis even though there's no evidence for that, but some of the same people are completely trusting of people like Burgermiester.

It's very odd.

squod · 01-12-2009 02:29AM

King Mob wrote: »

Hang on now.

She isn't bring charges against them for the contamination of vaccines in Austria......Burgermiester's ridiculous lawsuit.

Do you realize how many countries got sent that same vaccine? Do you also see that the investigation should be taking into account the kind of co-ordination necessary to distribute these vaccines? For God's sake what do you think would have happened if they weren't found out.

macshadow · 01-12-2009 02:33AM

King Mob wrote: »

Oh okay, you're just taking those guys words for it.

I find it very odd that some people claim that proper scientists are bought off by the government on a regular basis even though there's no evidence for that, but some of the same people are completely trusting of people like Burgermiester.

It's very odd.

"oh okay, you're just taking those guys words for it" No i saw her say it in person with my own eyes and ears. She said she will make herself available for interview with anyone who will help to get the word out, when asked by one person if there is any charge, she said no absolutely no charge.

01-12-2009 02:36AM

squod wrote: »

Do you realize how many countries got sent that same vaccine? Do you also see that the investigation should be taking into account the kind of co-ordination necessary to distribute these vaccines? For God's sake what do you think would have happened if they weren't found out.

But now you're discussing something completely different.

That's not what the lawsuit is about.

It also bares pointing out that the vaccine in this incident wasn't the same as the current vaccine.

Now before you chance the subject and move the goalposts again, are you going to address any of the points I've raised about Joseph Moshe?
Particularly the point about where he never actually predicted anything?

01-12-2009 02:38AM

macshadow wrote: »

"oh okay, you're just taking those guys words for it" No i saw her say it in person with my own eyes and ears. She said she will make herself available for interview with anyone who will help to get the word out, when asked by one person if there is any charge, she said no absolutely no charge.

So then you are taking her word for it.

How do you know that she isn't running a scam of some kind?

Why trust her at all?

Joseph Moshe - Arrested in LA by FBI for Going Public about Vaccine

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